New Signature Items

[Fort Colorcastle]

Phoenix have you been looking around lately? I don't think any of these are worse than rare candy.

Anyways, I would rather it get +2 to iron fist and no +1 to fighting because helps with coverage. Also most good fighting moves are iron fist boosted, just not close combat + kicks (which it doesn't get anyways) and a few others.

 

[acidphoenix]

They're not supposed to be worse, they're supposed to be the same or slightly better and have a unique niche

Being exactly the same with an extra boost is not a unique niche

 

[Frosty]

I agree with phoenix btw. +bap for fighting won't happen simply because it would be considerably better than RC and boring as hell. Extra bap for dark is there for flavor reasons.

Having said that, I accept suggestions. TBH I dislike the concept of it and am willing to completely rework it if the right concept is suggested.

 

[Someoneelse]

Okay, I'll lead it onto another track here.
Pangoro X entry: "Although it possesses a violent temperament, it won’t put up with bullying. It uses the leaf in its mouth to sense the movements of its enemies."
To me, this suggests an effect like Forewarn could be given by the item, which could be an interesting niche. (also it could possibly the need for "Dark Band" which sounds quite generic)

 

[Frosty]

I saw more something like pursuit.

What if we do something like:

somethingsomething: Increases Attack by 1 (one) rank. Increases bap on Dark-Typed moves by 1 (one) BAP. If a Damaging Dark-Typed single move outside a combo or a Damaging Dark-Typed combo is used on an opposing Pokemon ordered to Bounce, Dig, Dive, Dodge, Double Team, Phantom Force, Fly, Take Cover, Teleport, U-turn, Volt Switch, Double Team, Minimize, or execute any other evasive action, this move's accuracy becomes perfect instead of 100%, and it will always strike before the target uses its evasive action.


So like, every dark move becomes pursuit. Given Pangoro's best bet vs most D/E moves is dig, it seems like a nice option. The extra bap on dark moves is due to how evolution works.

Dunno about power. Was considering either increasing the bap on dark moves by 2, or doubling or multiplying by 1.5 (or adding 4 Idk) to Dark-Typed moves when used against evasive maneuvers (like pursuit doubles its bap from 4 to 8). Or keeping it as is.


Thoughts?

 

[Matezoide]

Eh, i dont see the need to increase the BAP on Dark moves further.

It is already getting +1 Attack and +1 BAP on Dark moves. Just these + the effect should be enough. Pangoro isnt quite as bad as some of the other mons we are buffing anyway.

I am guessing this effect also applies to Combinations? Maybe we could note that as well, for the sake of clarity.

 

[Frosty]

I specified combo and what-not as requested.

Giving 48h for more discussion on this item before I send Rain brooch to the booth and wrap everything up.

 

[ZhengTann]

Purely aesthetic feature, since I agree on either Forewarn or Pursuit effects on the item.

Proposing to call it Black Bamboo Leaf because it is chewing on the leaf, not the stalk (Gamefreak probably wants to avoid projecting the image of a smoking Pokemon). And Black Bamboo is basically a synonym to its affinity for Dark-type.

 

[YellowAdminSilver]

Give Panda auto-Pursuit plus +1 BAP on Dark moves

I actually really like this one, especially because of what you said about D/E moves and getting murdered by fliers.

Alternatively, how would people feel about giving it a No Guard effect? It hits through D/E and helps with low-accuracy moves, which is a problem for Panda--your two most important coverage moves have 80%, and your main STAB sits at 90%. On the other hand, you don't have a lot of inaccurate moves (Gunk Shot, Stone Edge, Hammer Arm and maybe Focus Blast if you're into that) and you're weak to two pretty big ones in Hurricane and Focus Blast. Not sure if this is a good idea, but just throwing it out there for people to discuss.

 

[Gale Wing Srock]

Alternatively, how would people feel about giving it a No Guard effect?

I like the idea of a No Guard Effect on Pangoro, with a +1 Atk Rank boost. It is similar to the previous effect of Snorlax's signature item (With a Rank boost in Pangoro's case) and definitely makes Pangoro more viable with the item.

However, Smoke Ball's effect on dark type attacks by Pangoro makes sense too. Idr why we got rid of the 'strikes before the D/E move' part for Smoke Ball, but either effect on Dark Type attacks work.

So imo, No Guard Effect & +1 Atk Rank / Smoke Ball Effect for Dark Type moves & +1 Atk Rank.

 

[Frosty]

Pangoro is weak to hurricane and Dynamic Punch. And its main attacks aren't inaccurate, nor the most common combos. Yeah, it ha inaccurate moves, but if they aren't the main part of its arsenal (it is coverage and a bunch of useful moves, but he will still use punches and knock off to make ends meet), then it does more harm than good.

Also pangoro isn't THAT slow. making it always act last will be a hindrance at some point (and I won't just give no guard -_-)

 

[Ooraloo]

I was thinking something more defensive might be better, especially since Pangoro has a crippling 4x weakness to Fairy and it already hits pretty hard. What about something along the lines of an Anticipation-esque effect to help its survivability?

 

[YellowAdminSilver]

I was thinking something more defensive might be better, especially since Pangoro has a crippling 4x weakness to Fairy and it already hits pretty hard. What about something along the lines of an Anticipation-esque effect to help its survivability?

So, let's do non-STAB Dazzling Gleam off of unboosted R5 SpA vs Anticipation Panda:

[(8 - 2 + 7.5 - 4.5) x 2.25] = 20.25 DMG. Just give it a Focus Band if that's what you're looking for.

 

[Frosty]

So we have:

Moth Dust: Increase the holder's SPA by two (2) ranks. Combinations involving Gust and a move which doubles the BAP of the combo (e.g. Silver Wind) do not incur Cooldown, instead incurring Sluggish.
Affects: Mothim

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Plant Cloak: Increase SpA and SpD ranks by 2. Boost the BAP of Grass-Typed moves by 2. Boost BAP reduction of Overcoat by 1.
Affects: Wormadam, Burmy
Sandy Cloak: Increase Atk and Def ranks by 2. Boost the BAP of Ground-Typed moves by 2. Boost BAP reduction of Overcoat by 1.
Affects: Wormadam-S, Burmy
Trash Cloak: Increase Def and SpD ranks by 2. Boost BAP of Steel-Typed moves by 2 and of Gyro Ball by an extra 1. Boost BAP reduction of Overcoat by 1.
Affects: Wormadam-T, Burmy

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Boxing Gloves: Increase Defense rank by 1. Iron Fist gives an extra 2bap boost to the moves affected by it. Boosts the bap of fighting moves by 1. Confers Iron Fist if holder doesn't get it naturally.
Affects: Tyrogue, Hitmonchan

Kicking Gear: Increase Attack Rank by 1. Moves with "kick" on their name get their bap boosted bu 2 and their accuracy by 10 (flat). Boosts the bap of fighting moves by 1. Confers Reckless if holder doesn't get it naturally.
Affects: Tyrogue, Hitmonlee

Spinning Top: Increases Attack and Defense by 1. Technician gives an extra 2bap boost per hit to the moves affected by it. Boosts the bap of fighting moves by 1. Confers Technician if holder doesn't get it naturally.
Affects: Tyrogue, Hitmontop.


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Solar Ray: The Pokemon's Magic Bounce makes the Pokemon immune to the negative effects (ex. loss of ability, evasion drop, perish counter) of all Status category moves not initiated by the user or an ally (ex. Skill Swap, Gravity, Perish Song). Morning Sun will always heal for its highest possible HP value. Triggers Justified and Steadfast once upon sendout. Increases the Pokemon's highest true base stat (e.g. 130 Atk, 85 SpD) of Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense by one (1) rank each.
Affects: Eevee, Espeon, Riolu, and Lucario

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Relic Crown: Boosts the BAP of Ancient Power by 3 and of Rock Slide by 1. Boosts SpD rank by 1. Increases STAB bonus by 1.
Affects: Mamoswine, Piloswine, Yanma, Yanmega, Tangela, Tangrowth

Casteliacone Deluxe: Boosts the BAP of Rollout by 3 and causes its BAP to also be boosted by non-consecutive usage. Increases Defense and Special Defense by 1 rank. Causes the Pokemon to always move last within its priority bracket, regardless of Speed. The Pokemon's attacks will never miss an opponent and opponents' attacks will never miss the Pokemon. OHKO moves have normal accuracy when used with or against a Pokemon with this item.
Affects: Lickitung, Lickilicky.

Dueling Gloves: Boosts the BAP of Double Hit by 2 per hit. Increases STAB bonus by 1. Boosts Atk rank by 1. Fling causes the target to become taunted for 3 actions. The holder is not considered encumbered.
Affects: Aipom, Ambipom.

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Empty Shell: Increases the Pokémon's Attack by two (2) Ranks. Increases the BAP of Bug-type and Ghost-type attacks one (1). Confers Run Away and Filter to the holder if it does not have the abilities.
Affects: Shedinja

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Inversion Charm: Raises the Base Attack Power of moves containing the words "Cut", "Cross", "Claw", "Scissor", "Scratch", "Swipe", or "Slash" is increased by three (3). Confers the ability Simple to the holder. Increases the holder's Attack Rank by one (1).
Affects: Inkay, Malamar

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Royal Honey: Increases the DEF and SPD Ranks of the equipped by one (1). "Order" moves cost two (2) less EN to use and have their priority increased by 1.
Affects: Combee, Vespiqueen.

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Rain Brooch: on booth

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Black Bamboo Leaf: Increases Attack by 1 (one) rank. Increases bap on Dark-Typed moves by 1 (one) BAP. If a Damaging Dark-Typed single move outside a combo or a Damaging Dark-Typed combo is used on an opposing Pokemon ordered to Bounce, Dig, Dive, Dodge, Double Team, Phantom Force, Fly, Take Cover, Teleport, U-turn, Volt Switch, Double Team, Minimize, or execute any other evasive action, this move's accuracy becomes perfect instead of 100%, and it will always strike before the target uses its evasive action.
Affects: Pangoro, Pancham




I will leave it here for 48h in case anyone wanna try out late comments.


ALSO

Can anyone sprite those? Not a condition for implementation, mind you, but having actual pictures would be heavily appreaciated, so things are pretty and what-not.

 

[Frosty]

New sig items:

Moth Dust: Increase the holder's Special Attank by two (2) ranks. Combinations involving Gust and a move which doubles the BAP of the combo (e.g. Silver Wind) do not incur Cooldown, instead incurring Sluggish.
Affects: Mothim

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Plant Cloak: Increase Special Attack and Special Defense by two (2) ranks. Boost the BAP of Grass-Typed moves by two (2). Boost the BAP reduction of Overcoat by one (1).
Affects: Wormadam, Burmy
Sandy Cloak: Increase Attack and Defense by two (2) ranks. Boost the BAP of Ground-Typed moves by two (2). Boost the BAP reduction of Overcoat by one (1).
Affects: Wormadam-S, Burmy
Trash Cloak: Increase Defense and Special Defense ranks by two (2). Boost BAP of Steel-Typed moves by two (2) and of Gyro Ball by an extra one (1). Boost the BAP reduction of Overcoat by one (1).
Affects: Wormadam-T, Burmy

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Boxing Gloves: Increase Defense rank by 1. Iron Fist gives an extra 2bap boost to the moves affected by it. Boosts the bap of fighting moves by 1. Confers Iron Fist if holder doesn't get it naturally.
Affects: Tyrogue, Hitmonchan

Kicking Gear: Increase Attack Rank by 1. Moves with "kick" on their name get their bap boosted bu 2 and their accuracy by 10 (flat). Boosts the bap of fighting moves by 1. Confers Reckless if holder doesn't get it naturally.
Affects: Tyrogue, Hitmonlee

Spinning Top: Increases Attack and Defense by 1. Technician gives an extra 2bap boost per hit to the moves affected by it. Boosts the bap of fighting moves by 1. Confers Technician if holder doesn't get it naturally.
Affects: Tyrogue, Hitmontop.


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Solar Ray: The Pokemon's Magic Bounce makes the Pokemon immune to the negative effects (ex. loss of ability, evasion drop, perish counter) of all Status category moves not initiated by the user or an ally (ex. Skill Swap, Gravity, Perish Song). Morning Sun will always heal for its highest possible HP value. Triggers Justified and Steadfast once upon sendout. Increases the Pokemon's highest true base stat (e.g. 130 Atk, 85 SpD) of Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense by one (1) rank each.
Affects: Eevee, Espeon, Riolu, and Lucario

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Relic Crown: Boosts the BAP of Ancient Power by 3 and of Rock Slide by 1. Boosts SpD rank by 1. Increases STAB bonus by 1.
Affects: Mamoswine, Piloswine, Yanma, Yanmega, Tangela, Tangrowth

Casteliacone Deluxe: Boosts the BAP of Rollout by 3 and causes its BAP to also be boosted by non-consecutive usage. Increases Defense and Special Defense by 1 rank. Causes the Pokemon to always move last within its priority bracket, regardless of Speed. The Pokemon's attacks will never miss an opponent and opponents' attacks will never miss the Pokemon. OHKO moves have normal accuracy when used with or against a Pokemon with this item.
Affects: Lickitung, Lickilicky.

Dueling Gloves: Boosts the BAP of Double Hit by 2 per hit. Increases STAB bonus by 1. Boosts Atk rank by 1. Fling causes the target to become taunted for 3 actions. The holder is not considered encumbered.
Affects: Aipom, Ambipom.

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Empty Shell: Increases the Pokémon's Attack by two (2) Ranks. Increases the BAP of Bug-type and Ghost-type attacks one (1). Confers Run Away and Filter to the holder if it does not have the abilities.
Affects: Shedinja

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Inversion Charm: Raises the Base Attack Power of moves containing the words "Cut", "Cross", "Claw", "Scissor", "Scratch", "Swipe", or "Slash" is increased by three (3). Confers the ability Simple to the holder. Increases the holder's Attack Rank by one (1).
Affects: Inkay, Malamar

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Royal Honey: Increases the DEF and SPD Ranks of the equipped by one (1). "Order" moves cost two (2) less EN to use and have their priority increased by 1.
Affects: Combee, Vespiqueen.

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Rain Brooch: The affected Pokemon enters battle with Hydration activated, regardless of weather. Increases the power of "Whip" and "Tail" moves by 3. Increases accuracy on all moves by 10.
Affects: Sliggoo, Goodra

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Black Bamboo Leaf: Increases Attack by 1 (one) rank. Increases bap on Dark-Typed moves by 1 (one) BAP. If a Damaging Dark-Typed single move outside a combo or a Damaging Dark-Typed combo is used on an opposing Pokemon ordered to Bounce, Dig, Dive, Dodge, Double Team, Phantom Force, Fly, Take Cover, Teleport, U-turn, Volt Switch, Double Team, Minimize, or execute any other evasive action, this move's accuracy becomes perfect instead of 100%, and it will always strike before the target uses its evasive action.
Affects: Pangoro, Pancham



We will implement this now. We just need to adjust the writing to fit the other sig items and put on the NDA. Once we are finished we will post on the implementation thread and all.


In case any of the sig items prove to be over/underpowered, feel free to convey your thoughts on the feedback thread. Jut don't rehash old arguments there, or we might do mean stuff to you.