the voting hasnt started yet?... I thought it was starting last night
So it is wrong to try and make the BW metagame Ideal? That is really pig minded of you, maybe we want to play with gen 5 pokemon, but we want the metagame to be golden like the gen 4 one was? Or maybe we like how some older pokemon got new toys and want to use them in a golden metagame? We could say the samething by saying if you like Drizzle and Dought go play ubers, but then again we would be saying the same shit you are, because the metagames are different but we do have the right to try to perfect this one. It really puts off that vibe of get out of my country because you have different views then me. All of us have a right to voice our opinions here, about the BW metagame, and if we don't like the Weather we can push a weatherless agenda, and you can push one for it. But don't go telling use to go else where because you don't like how we think.People still play gen 4, thre uu, ru, lc and go there b/c gen 5 is different and it's own seperate metagame b/c gen 4 still exist so if it's so perfect leave gen 5 (bw metagame) alone T_T
Because Sand and Hail were banned in DPP by the end, and Heatran and Scizor ultimately didn't wind up on more teams then than Tyranitar apparently is on now, amirite?you didn't understand that if we want a perfect metagame were all OU could be used efficiently (sorry for the spell) as it was the case in the end of DPP with no centralized team, we HAVE to ban auto-weather.
Quoting for posterity. We don't ban stuff based off of theorymon, but ban stuff based on empirical evidence. PROVE that Sun or Sand would be broken without Rain and then ban the guilty weather. In order to prove, we must suspect test. It is far too early to decide whether Hail would be broken if all the other weathers were eliminated.- "Rome wasn't built in a day."
Yes I do predict that if we were only to ban one auto-weather i.e Drizzle, another auto-weather would soon rise in usage and possibly dominate the Metagame. However, I personally feel that Sandstorm is much less of a threat without the presence of Excadrill and let's face it, I doubt hail will be rising from the ashes of disparity to dominate the OU Metagame any time soon. I think that without Drizzle, Drought will become the leading auto-weather competitor and will possibly become OP, but whilst it's nice to talk about all of this in theory, we do need actual proof.
Yes it will take more time, but this way each weather can be viewed separately and therefore we can obtain a fair judgement on whether or not a particular weather is broken.
Lastly, I feel that if we were to group all of the auto-weathers together, it would surely effect the outcome of the voting as I think that the majority of those who oppose weather, at this moment in time, feel that Drizzle, and Drizzle alone is broken.
Therefore in my opinion, all the auto-weathers should be listed separately in order to obtain the most accurate and reliable results. If indeed in time another weather is proven to be broken, it will eventually get banned too - so let's not worry about the 'what ifs' and 'buts' and actually focus on the improving the current Metagame.
Ur right, but, some of us think that nothing should be changed b/c it's already ideal.So it is wrong to try and make the BW metagame Ideal? That is really pig minded of you, maybe we want to play with gen 5 pokemon, but we want the metagame to be golden like the gen 4 one was? Or maybe we like how some older pokemon got new toys and want to use them in a golden metagame? We could say the samething by saying if you like Drizzle and Dought go play ubers, but then again we M
would be saying the same shit you are, because the metagames are different but we do have the right to try to perfect this one. It really puts off that vibe of get out of my country because you have different views then me. All of us have a right to voice our opinions here, about the BW metagame, and if we don't like the Weather we can push a weatherless agenda, and you can push one for it. But don't go telling use to go else where because you don't like how we think.
lol, the difference is that we now have auto-weahter with sun and rain and that new pokemon like landorus and terrakion would get broken if sand was the only weather to remain with hail so think about what you say before posting plzBecause Sand and Hail were banned in DPP by the end, and Heatran and Scizor ultimately didn't wind up on more teams then than Tyranitar apparently is on now, amirite?
That is true, but all I was saying is don't go telling us to go play gen 4, and not try to change this gen. Basically, yet us say what we want, and you say what you want, and let the voters chose how the meta will shape. Don't get me wrong, feel free to debate our points, we sure as well yours, just no telling us to leave please :)Ur right, but, some of us think that nothing should be changed b/c it's already ideal.
Alright, then instead of telling you to leave please, I'll tell you to please leave.That is true, but all I was saying is don't go telling us to go play gen 4, and not try to change this gen. Basically, yet us say what we want, and you say what you want, and let the voters chose how the meta will shape. Don't get me wrong, feel free to debate our points, we sure as well yours, just no telling us to leave please :)
Honestly, if your definition of a "good metagame" involves no Excadrill, Drizzle, or Drought, then B/W UU and DPPt OU are the games to play. Don't ruin it for those of us who actually enjoy the weather wars.
I personally can care less about being number one of the ladder, but I can't play B/w UU or DPPt OU with a poison heal gliscor, can I? The point I am trying to make is OU is the standard meta, we have a right to try and shape it to how we feel is fit. The goal is to make a desirable metagame, you push want you want and we will push what we want. What it comes down too is what the voters wants, and if they listen to your post and not mine, that is their choice, but I will still voice myself hoping they will listen to what I want, and maybe they will consider it. You should do the same, instead of telling us to play a different tier, because I can tell you B/W UU is not what I want, and DDPt OU is very close, but doesn't have some of the new toys and pokes I would like to use. I will continue to push for a Drizzle and Exca ban, I honestly don't care if you like them here, cause I don't like them here. Once again, I am not going to over the whole argument of why I want them to go, as it has been stated over and over by others.Alright, then instead of telling you to leave please, I'll tell you to please leave.
In all seriousness though, I don't see why people are trying to reproduce 4th gen with the B/W metagame. That was 4th gen, this is 5th gen, its different. Weather is a mechanic of the game, and has been, along with team preview, the defining features of the generation. If this were 4th gen, would you ban the physical special split? Would you ban Stealth Rock (actually scratch that, there are a couple retards that would).
The game mechanics have changed. Is it okay to ban broken elements of these mechanics? Such as Swift Swim? I'd say sure. But is it okay to elimate an entire element of the game? No.
I honestly don't see why people get so worked up about making 5th gen similar to the balanced metagame achieved near the end of 4th gen. Are people really that fucking obsessed about getting themselves to #1 on the ladder? Honestly, if your definition of a "good metagame" involves no Excadrill, Drizzle, or Drought, then B/W UU and DPPt OU are the games to play. Don't ruin it for those of us who actually enjoy the weather wars.
Totally agree, this isnt "upgraded 4th gen" this is a new generation for a reason. If people are voting or support a near 4th gen like style then please just go play 4th gen instead. If weather was so bad to play with from the start then it would have already been banned in a previous round.Alright, then instead of telling you to leave please, I'll tell you to please leave.
In all seriousness though, I don't see why people are trying to reproduce 4th gen with the B/W metagame. That was 4th gen, this is 5th gen, its different. Weather is a mechanic of the game, and has been, along with team preview, the defining features of the generation. If this were 4th gen, would you ban the physical special split? Would you ban Stealth Rock (actually scratch that, there are a couple retards that would).
The game mechanics have changed. Is it okay to ban broken elements of these mechanics? Such as Swift Swim? I'd say sure. But is it okay to elimate an entire element of the game? No.
I honestly don't see why people get so worked up about making 5th gen similar to the balanced metagame achieved near the end of 4th gen. Are people really that fucking obsessed about getting themselves to #1 on the ladder? Honestly, if your definition of a "good metagame" involves no Excadrill, Drizzle, or Drought, then B/W UU and DPPt OU are the games to play. Don't ruin it for those of us who actually enjoy the weather wars.
How is Terrakion going to become broken by sand? Sand's benefit to Terrakion is basically a Light Screen, true. However, Excadrill's more-commonly-used benefit of Sand is being able to outspeed everything that will ever exist ever. And Landorus's benefit is to hit harder with Earthquake and Stone Edge / Rock Slide / Smack Down / insert rock attack here.lol, the difference is that we now have auto-weahter with sun and rain and that new pokemon like landorus and terrakion would get broken if sand was the only weather to remain with hail so think about what you say before posting plz
Do you want a repeat of UU in OU?I am sick of this, give good reasons to ban weather bar hail.
Really does anybody think hail should be banned in OU?
If you think Hail will be broken in OU then you are either trolling or very stupid.Do you want a repeat of UU in OU?
and Stallrein and stop counting.Yeah, Hail is really the only weather that wouldn't have much of an effect if it was the only weather left standing in OU, as having control of the weather with hail doesn't really put you in an overly advantageous position. There are lots of powerful OU pokemon and most of the benefits of hail are only derived from Ice types, all of which aren't very good, except for Mamoswine, and I'll give a bone to Weavile and Kyurem.
XD I couldn't care less about the argument concerning weather anymore (I'm still in the opinion that it should be banned bar hail, sand and maybe sun) sense I don't play much anymore but don't bunch all the pro weather banners together as people who just want 4th gen. I'm sure there are a few people out there who feel this way but most pro banners of weather really don't like it for some reason or another. They could personally think it's broken, (like me) don't like battling it, or are just tired of seeing it. Whatever the case it's foolish to think that the pro weather banners simply want 4th gen back.Alright, then instead of telling you to leave please, I'll tell you to please leave.
In all seriousness though, I don't see why people are trying to reproduce 4th gen with the B/W metagame. That was 4th gen, this is 5th gen, its different. Weather is a mechanic of the game, and has been, along with team preview, the defining features of the generation. If this were 4th gen, would you ban the physical special split? Would you ban Stealth Rock (actually scratch that, there are a couple retards that would).
The game mechanics have changed. Is it okay to ban broken elements of these mechanics? Such as Swift Swim? I'd say sure. But is it okay to elimate an entire element of the game? No.
I honestly don't see why people get so worked up about making 5th gen similar to the balanced metagame achieved near the end of 4th gen. Are people really that fucking obsessed about getting themselves to #1 on the ladder? Honestly, if your definition of a "good metagame" involves no Excadrill, Drizzle, or Drought, then B/W UU and DPPt OU are the games to play. Don't ruin it for those of us who actually enjoy the weather wars.