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Official Smogon University Simulator Statistics — September 2012

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by Antar, Oct 1, 2012.

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  1. X5Dragon

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    Mhm, Genesect didn't rise that much as I would expect it to be. Politoed however, wow. What a reversal of fortunes for sand..
  2. G-Von

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    One must remember, Genesect was only around for a little more than half the 3 month period. It'll beat out Scizor till further notice without question.
  3. SapphSabre777

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    Good to see some of the predictions made are right. And some predictions that were seen coming.

    Kyurem-B and Chomp are still at Ubers...THANK GOODNESS. I would not stand them ruining the metagame of OU.

    Keldeo remains OU...good move. Gothitelle is in BL...another good move. Interestingly enough, weatherless is the most common playstyle. You would imagine it would be something else (*cough* rain *cough*).

    UU was definitely the big changer. Mew, Meloetta, and Tornadus came down from OU to UU. This is EXCELLENT for teams that need a fighting check (
    Empoleon is a very good example; he is good, but needs the support). Another good thing: COFAGRIGUS. The thing has finally arised from NU and RU. Should be fun messing with Heracross with this thing. Chandelure...runner-up in UU usage. Glad to see the floating piece of decor is getting credit around here.

    RU only had one change: Stoutland. Guess those fighting types were too much for the dog. But with Mew, Etta, and Tornadus now at UU, what would be the scenario now?

    NU changed a bit like UU did. Rapidash is NU due to the good move via Drill Run. Articuno, Ditto, Electrode, Metang, Eelektross, Cradily, and Zangoose are now NU.

    As for the PU train, welcome aboard a lot of newbies, folks!
  4. Exclamation!

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    brb, gonna build a UU team using Tornadus.
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    | 5 | Genesect | 16.010% |
    This isn't going to stay here very long once the usage really rounds itself out, as he was only around for about half the required time to be used. I sense an imminent new #1 coming along...

    | 19 | Alakazam | 8.632% |
    wat

    Seriously, I can see why he'd be good, but why #19 and directly below Gengar? Does being unaffected by Sand and not taking Life Orb damage really make him THAT good?

    | 45 | Keldeo | 5.183% |
    Still too low for this guy D: At least he's shown to be above useless Metagross over 3 months.

    | 13 | Ambipom | 11.760% |

    | 15 | Mienshao | 11.595% |
    I swear to GOD this better be because of Research Week. If not.. heads're gonna roll.

    | 19 | Crobat | 10.467% |
    With Virizion dropping, the only real way for this guy seems to be up, but Mew and Meloetta dropping do nothing to help his viability... We'll see what happens I guess!

    | 52 | Cofagrigus | 4.019% |
    HE MADE IT! Now that RU doesn't have to bother with him anymore, I wonder how the metagame will develop...

    | 59 | Absol | 3.124% |
    On a more upsetting note, I don't really think he's gonna have a chance at rising again due to the premier RU Ghost leaving the tier. So close, yet so far...

    | 29 | Electivire | 8.287% |
    Seriously fuck off.
  6. RabidChipmunk

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    | 13 | Ambipom | 11.760% |
    Every time I see Ambipom rise in usage, a little voice in the darkest corners of my soul laughs hysterically. It's so fun watching people get their panties in a twist about this thing's usage.
  7. DestinyUnknown

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    Are you joking? lol
  8. Joel

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    So, does this mean................

    Umbreon, by some miricle made OU? And are we seeing a return to OU for Smeargle?
  9. Dark Fallen Angel

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    | 5 | Genesect | 16.010% |

    I thougth that this thing would be on the 1º position... I'm a bad seer...

    | 24 | Tornadus-Therian | 7.877% |

    Why at 24? o.o This thing is much more "underused" that I thougth that it was.

    | 45 | Keldeo | 5.183% |

    This thing still deserves much more love, but at least it is not below Metagross now...

    | 7 | Tyranitar | 14.059% |
    | 53 | Hippowdon | 3.604% |

    People say that Tyranitar is shitty in this meta... Why it continues to be the most used sandstorm-inducer in place of Hippowdon? Peharps it's what I said before... Tyranitar is more appropriate to offensive teams than Hippowdon.
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    Wow UU got Tornadus and virizion. With metang's drop back down to NU, clearly there shall be Metang UU 2013. It totally counters ambipom right?
  11. LucaroarkZ

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    Finally, Virizion in UU. I'm gonna spam SD Virizion in UU now. Also, Tornadus in UU means UU Rain Dance teams just got an amazing Rain Dance supporter (again).

    Virizion + Kingdra + Tornadus offensive core, let's get it!

    | 23 | Umbreon | 9.552% |

    This is how you can tell Wish supporters are scarce in UU.

    | 41 | Dusclops | 6.392% |

    Stop using this thing please. Cofagrigus is 100% better than it. It legitimately angers me when people use this thing more than Zoroark, a Pokemon who is actually really good in UU (Big Scale Magic Show by PK Gaming is a good example of good use of Zoroark in UU)

    | 52 | Chansey | 3.716% |

    Good, this thing is staying in OU. It was annoying in UU and I don't want it back down there.
  12. Deoxys 386

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    So... when can we expect PS to be updated for the tier changes? I'm itching to use this UU team with Meloetta...
  13. IurtaeMont

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    Tentacruel got more usage than Tornadus Therian.

    Guess he isn't as broken as everyone complains.
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    | 69 | Kyurem | 11813 | 1.906% | 8642 | 1.719% |
    Can someone explain to me why Kyurem isnt used more? It beats most rain teams. Unlike other Dragons, it cannot be revenged by Genesect or Mamoswine. I would like to know reason as to why this has not yet moved to OU. Someone please enlighten me. I am here to listen to opinions.
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    Man Infernape is higher than Tornadus-T? I havent seen a single Infernape, and its like 1/3 battles have Tornadus xD
  16. IurtaeMont

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    Well look at Aboma's placement.

    Most people who are going to use Kyurem are prolly going to use Subroost with that 100 accuarate blizzard along with Abomasnow.

    Aboma barely made into into OU, and not every Hail team uses Kyurem, so Kyurem would be lower in usage.

    Joeyboy: I feel like the opposite. I haven't seen a Tornadus(any varient) at all, but Infernape seems to be on every 3rd team. :P
  17. Dark Fallen Angel

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    Apart from what IurtaeMont said above, while is true that Kyurem cannot be revenge killed by Genesect, Mamoswine and Weavile, in compensation it can be revenge killed by other things like Breloom and Terrakion. Also, nothing impedes Mamoswine from using Superpower and Weavile from using Low Kick against your Kyurem.
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    Surprised at Alakazam and Tornadus-T. Oh, and Xatu. What the heck happened there? o.o

    OU +/- (open)

    | 1 | Politoed | 113013 | 18.232% | 103639 | 20.617% | +0
    | 2 | Ferrothorn | 110394 | 17.810% | 94971 | 18.893% | +1
    | 3 | Genesect | 109264 | 17.628% | 95560 | 19.010% | +11
    | 4 | Dragonite | 101289 | 16.341% | 79163 | 15.748% | +0
    | 5 | Scizor | 99470 | 16.048% | 78681 | 15.652% | -3
    | 6 | Heatran | 97259 | 15.691% | 80073 | 15.929% | -1
    | 7 | Tyranitar | 87938 | 14.187% | 76521 | 15.222% | -1
    | 8 | Breloom | 76386 | 12.323% | 60151 | 11.966% | +1
    | 9 | Gliscor | 75047 | 12.107% | 59466 | 11.830% | -1
    | 10 | Rotom-Wash | 74233 | 11.976% | 64100 | 12.751% | +3
    | 11 | Jirachi | 70723 | 11.410% | 57705 | 11.479% | -4
    | 12 | Salamence | 70488 | 11.372% | 53239 | 10.591% | -1
    | 13 | Ninetales | 68706 | 11.084% | 63173 | 12.567% | +3
    | 14 | Terrakion | 64564 | 10.416% | 47456 | 9.440% | +4
    | 15 | Latios | 62106 | 10.020% | 48553 | 9.659% | +0
    | 16 | Forretress | 60263 | 9.722% | 51041 | 10.154% | -4
    | 17 | Starmie | 60170 | 9.707% | 46545 | 9.259% | -7
    | 18 | Gengar | 58497 | 9.437% | 46712 | 9.292% | -1
    | 19 | Alakazam | 55710 | 8.988% | 42746 | 8.503% | +10
    | 20 | Tentacruel | 52028 | 8.394% | 41931 | 8.341% | +1
    | 21 | Mamoswine | 51298 | 8.276% | 40155 | 7.988% | -1
    | 22 | Volcarona | 51283 | 8.274% | 39578 | 7.873% | +2
    | 23 | Infernape | 50565 | 8.158% | 41422 | 8.240% | +0
    | 24 | Venusaur | 49581 | 7.999% | 38284 | 7.616% | +6
    | 25 | Tornadus-Therian | 46372 | 7.481% | 36159 | 7.193% | -3
    | 26 | Espeon | 46203 | 7.454% | 37063 | 7.373% | +0
    | 27 | Skarmory | 44920 | 7.247% | 37552 | 7.470% | -2
    | 28 | Cloyster | 44817 | 7.230% | 34971 | 6.957% | +3
    | 29 | Landorus | 44727 | 7.216% | 35003 | 6.963% | +16
    | 30 | Blissey | 43584 | 7.031% | 34401 | 6.843% | -2
    | 31 | Gyarados | 42424 | 6.844% | 33727 | 6.709% | -4
    | 32 | Thundurus-Therian | 42269 | 6.819% | 33275 | 6.619% | -10
    | 33 | Jellicent | 41147 | 6.638% | 34249 | 6.813% | +3
    | 34 | Jolteon | 40019 | 6.456% | 32301 | 6.426% | -1
    | 35 | Lucario | 38597 | 6.227% | 29133 | 5.795% | +2
    | 36 | Donphan | 37494 | 6.049% | 31309 | 6.228% | +2
    | 37 | Conkeldurr | 37473 | 6.046% | 29908 | 5.950% | +2
    | 38 | Haxorus | 36319 | 5.859% | 27116 | 5.394% | -4
    | 39 | Hydreigon | 36205 | 5.841% | 28900 | 5.749% | -7
    | 40 | Dugtrio | 35917 | 5.795% | 28480 | 5.666% | +4
    | 41 | Latias | 34008 | 5.487% | 26493 | 5.270% | +4
    | 42 | Vaporeon | 33931 | 5.474% | 27069 | 5.385% | -7
    | 43 | Reuniclus | 33106 | 5.341% | 25810 | 5.134% | +5
    | 44 | Magnezone | 32760 | 5.285% | 25690 | 5.111% | -3
    | 45 | Keldeo | 31591 | 5.097% | 24245 | 4.823% | +1
    | 46 | Landorus-Therian | 30597 | 4.936% | 25693 | 5.111% | -3
    | 47 | Metagross | 30310 | 4.890% | 24557 | 4.885% | -7
    | 48 | Deoxys-Defense | 29586 | 4.773% | 26730 | 5.317% | +2
    | 49 | Celebi | 29422 | 4.747% | 23761 | 4.727% | -7
    | 50 | Toxicroak | 28705 | 4.631% | 21984 | 4.373% | +1
    | 51 | Gastrodon | 27376 | 4.417% | 22573 | 4.490% | -2
    | 52 | Chansey | 22651 | 3.654% | 18109 | 3.602% | +0
    | 53 | Abomasnow | 22625 | 3.650% | 20153 | 4.009% | +1
    | 54 | Hippowdon | 22108 | 3.567% | 19964 | 3.971% | -1
    | 55 | Mew | 19973 | 3.222% | 16524 | 3.287% | +1
    | 56 | Victini | 19440 | 3.136% | 15277 | 3.039% | +3
    | 57 | Chandelure | 17095 | 2.758% | 13842 | 2.754% | +0
    | 58 | Kingdra | 16309 | 2.631% | 12807 | 2.548% | -3
    | 59 | Ditto | 15660 | 2.526% | 12153 | 2.418% | +5
    | 60 | Xatu | 13849 | 2.234% | 11154 | 2.219% | +45!
    | 61 | Arcanine | 13817 | 2.229% | 11435 | 2.275% |+5
    | 62 | Ninjask | 13815 | 2.229% | 12364 | 2.460% | +9
    | 63 | Bronzong | 13662 | 2.204% | 11999 | 2.387% | -2
    | 64 | Swampert | 13276 | 2.142% | 11414 | 2.271% | -4
    | 65 | Machamp | 12956 | 2.090% | 10918 | 2.172% | -3
    | 66 | Slowbro | 12580 | 2.030% | 10134 | 2.016% | -8
    | 67 | Togekiss | 12045 | 1.943% | 9809 | 1.951% | +9
    | 68 | Sableye | 12003 | 1.936% | 10302 | 2.049% | +1
    | 69 | Kyurem | 11813 | 1.906% | 8642 | 1.719% | -4
    | 70 | Weavile | 11636 | 1.877% | 9324 | 1.855% | +0


    UU +/- (open)

    | 1 | Heracross | 30116 | 21.482% | 23842 | 20.508% | +0
    | 2 | Chandelure | 28352 | 20.224% | 23581 | 20.283% | +1
    | 3 | Roserade | 23209 | 16.555% | 18946 | 16.297% | -1
    | 4 | Flygon | 22918 | 16.348% | 18690 | 16.076% | +1
    | 5 | Bronzong | 22408 | 15.984% | 20454 | 17.594% | -1
    | 6 | Snorlax | 19785 | 14.113% | 16347 | 14.061% | +3
    | 7 | Blastoise | 19466 | 13.885% | 16586 | 14.267% | +0
    | 8 | Arcanine | 18193 | 12.977% | 15246 | 13.114% | -2
    | 9 | Raikou | 17991 | 12.833% | 14477 | 12.452% | -1
    | 10 | Hitmontop | 17665 | 12.601% | 14587 | 12.547% | +0
    | 11 | Zapdos | 17304 | 12.343% | 14295 | 12.296% | +0
    | 12 | Ambipom | 17095 | 12.194% | 15344 | 13.198% | +9
    | 13 | Darmanitan | 16682 | 11.899% | 13768 | 11.843% | +2
    | 14 | Kingdra | 16204 | 11.558% | 12905 | 11.100% | -2
    | 15 | Swampert | 16103 | 11.486% | 14595 | 12.554% | +1
    | 16 | Mienshao | 15866 | 11.317% | 13501 | 11.613% | -3
    | 17 | Nidoking | 15032 | 10.722% | 11911 | 10.245% | -3
    | 18 | Togekiss | 14900 | 10.628% | 12169 | 10.467% | +1
    | 19 | Victini | 14655 | 10.454% | 12023 | 10.342% | -1
    | 20 | Crobat | 14588 | 10.406% | 12565 | 10.808% | -3
    | 21 | Slowbro | 13580 | 9.687% | 11336 | 9.751% | -1
    | 22 | Umbreon | 13502 | 9.631% | 11059 | 9.512% | +2
    | 23 | Scrafty | 13213 | 9.425% | 10697 | 9.201% | -1
    | 24 | Azelf | 12491 | 8.910% | 10939 | 9.409% | +1
    | 25 | Porygon2 | 12337 | 8.800% | 10105 | 8.692% | +1
    | 26 | Milotic | 12117 | 8.643% | 10232 | 8.801% | +3
    | 27 | Shaymin | 11983 | 8.548% | 9523 | 8.191% | +0
    | 28 | Sableye | 11955 | 8.528% | 10604 | 9.121% | -5
    | 29 | Suicune | 11650 | 8.310% | 9806 | 8.435% | +2
    | 30 | Empoleon | 11295 | 8.057% | 9953 | 8.561% | +0
    | 31 | Gligar | 11086 | 7.908% | 9757 | 8.393% | +9
    | 32 | Honchkrow | 10618 | 7.574% | 8187 | 7.042% | +0
    | 33 | Machamp | 10496 | 7.487% | 8724 | 7.504% | +0
    | 34 | Claydol | 10063 | 7.178% | 8613 | 7.409% | -6
    | 35 | Weavile | 10033 | 7.157% | 8064 | 6.936% | +4
    | 36 | Rhyperior | 9887 | 7.052% | 8320 | 7.156% | -2
    | 37 | Yanmega | 9689 | 6.911% | 8073 | 6.944% | +1
    | 38 | Porygon-Z | 9600 | 6.848% | 7635 | 6.567% | -2
    | 39 | Cobalion | 9484 | 6.765% | 7909 | 6.803% | -4
    | 40 | Azumarill | 9280 | 6.619% | 7699 | 6.622% | -3
    | 41 | Dusclops | 9123 | 6.508% | 7933 | 6.824% | +3
    | 42 | Froslass | 9014 | 6.430% | 8092 | 6.960% | +1
    | 43 | Xatu | 8925 | 6.366% | 7556 | 6.499% | +3
    | 44 | Registeel | 8668 | 6.183% | 7663 | 6.591% | -3
    | 45 | Krookodile | 8543 | 6.094% | 6855 | 5.896% | +3
    | 46 | Bisharp | 7816 | 5.575% | 6343 | 5.456% | +5
    | 47 | Rotom-Heat | 7564 | 5.395% | 6632 | 5.705% | -2
    | 48 | Sharpedo | 7535 | 5.375% | 5899 | 5.074% | +1
    | 49 | Mismagius | 7315 | 5.218% | 6063 | 5.215% | -2
    | 50 | Zoroark | 6916 | 4.933% | 1218 | 1.048% | -8
    | 51 | Houndoom | 6869 | 4.900% | 5492 | 4.724% | -1
    | 52 | Cofagrigus | 5587 | 3.985% | 4504 | 3.874% | +0
    | 53 | Cresselia | 4256 | 3.036% | 3358 | 2.888% | +0
    | 54 | Nidoqueen | 3132 | 2.234% | 2774 | 2.386% | +16
    | 55 | Gallade | 3049 | 2.175% | 2487 | 2.139% | +9
    | 56 | Ninjask | 2775 | 1.979% | 2467 | 2.122% | +2
    | 57 | Lilligant | 2766 | 1.973% | 2161 | 1.859% | +10
    | 58 | Sceptile | 2693 | 1.921% | 2175 | 1.871% | -4
    | 59 | Uxie | 2692 | 1.920% | 2517 | 2.165% | +2
    | 60 | Durant | 2534 | 1.808% | 1990 | 1.712% | -4
    | 61 | Venomoth | 2462 | 1.756% | 2072 | 1.782% | -2
    | 62 | Whimsicott | 2395 | 1.708% | 2016 | 1.734% | -2
    | 63 | Tangrowth | 2141 | 1.527% | 1759 | 1.513% | +13
    | 64 | Amoonguss | 2098 | 1.497% | 1779 | 1.530% | -1
    | 65 | Lanturn | 2084 | 1.487% | 1777 | 1.528% | +0
    | 66 | Qwilfish | 2065 | 1.473% | 1854 | 1.595% | -11
    | 67 | Hitmonlee | 2010 | 1.434% | 1594 | 1.371% | -5
    | 68 | Golurk | 1907 | 1.360% | 1662 | 1.430% | +3
    | 69 | Cinccino | 1821 | 1.299% | 1456 | 1.252% | +19
    | 70 | Galvantula | 1793 | 1.279% | 1441 | 1.239% | +12
  19. GatoDelFuego

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    You can thank lavros sun for Xatu. That team honestly defines the metagame right now.
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    It's only "shitty" because of Duggy, but having OU's strongest Stone Edge and Pursuit sure has its benefits.
  21. Antar

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    As soon as Zarel or bmelts wake up, I would assume. The hard work of editing the tier files is done--the changes just need to be fetched and the server restarted. I'd do it myself, but I can't remember the account we use to do the github stuff...
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    Ah hmm..ok. I never said anything about weavile. Why did you bring it up? Kyurem outspeeds Mamoswine and KOs with Draco Meteor. Scarf Mamoswine?
    252Atk Mamoswine (Neutral) Superpower vs 4HP/0Def Kyurem (Neutral): 72% - 86% (286 - 338 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    That is most likely a KO after Stealth Rock, but most Mamaswine dont use scarf. Note: If Kyurem knows that it is scarf, it can roost off superpower and Drain away its PP.
    I was talking about the LO adamant/jolly versions. If Kyurem uses substitute as Mamoswine uses Superpower, Kyurem will beat Mamoswine easily. Breloom does not OHKO with Mach Punch while Ice Beam KOs in return. Terrakion can revenge but cannot switch in. Kyurem can function without hail. Hail isn't mandatory. On the ladder, I have only found a handful of people(Katakiri being one of them) using Kyurem and they said it was awesome. Kyurem has better coverage than Latios. It can use Earth power to OHKO Heatran and 2HKO Jirachi. Focus Blast can be used to OHKO every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock. Scizor can only switch in once. Kyurem runs a timid nature and thus it outspeeds most Haxorus and Hydreigons. Genesect takes 54-64% from Life Orb Draco Meteor which means that it can only switch in once.
    Thank you for your time. Last time I posted about Kyurem, I was ignored. I would like to hear more opinions about why Kyurem is so underused. Read: Kyurem doesnt have a counter(i.e. there isnt a single pokemon that can counter every set)
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    Yeah, I don't agree that Tyranitar is shitty, although with more new threats on each new meta, I must agree that Tyranitar is getting worse and worse. I hope that the next generation, either they give a big upgrade to Tyranitar (or Hippowdon) or create a new Pokémon with Sand Stream. It would be a shame if sandstorm teams became unviable just because one of the Sandstorm inducers has a pretty unfavorable type, and the other is not suitable for offensive teams.

    I was assuming that after Kyurem used Draco Meteor once, that after the spatk drop, Mamoswine could survive it. This is assuming that it's using Choice Specs or Life Orb. Also, Breloom is not going to OHKO Kyurem with Mach Punch anytime soon, but I assume that when revenge killing it, that Kyurem isn't at 100% health because of a little prior damage, and that would be sufficient for Kyurem to put it at OHKO range.

    Of course, assuming that kyurem is at 100% health, or it is behind a substitute, it will be harder to revenge kill even with the Pokémon listed above.
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    The melt-downs in the UU forum if Chansey dropped back in would certainly make an interesting read.
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    Umbreon sucks dick. Having defensive stats isn't enough to be useful, just look at Regirock and Cresselia. Umbreon has good support moves and might be decent in UU but in OU? Why not just slap a sign on Umbreon that says "Spike on me!" Not to mention its a free switch in for basically everything not named Gengar.

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