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Battle Mechanics Research
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So combined with the data already collected, it would seem that Prankster boosts any "Other" move directly to +1, instead of simply raising its priority by one, presumably...
Roar/Whirlwind failed if used against a higher level Pokemon in wild battles gen V and perhaps other gens as well. This might also be the case in trainer battles.
So I found something very interesting. With regards to current breeding mechanics, we have the following from bulbapedia:
- The Pokémon will start with any moves that it would learn by leveling up only if both parents know the move. This does not apply to moves that later evolutions can learn (such as Breloom's Mach Punch, which Shroomish cannot learn).
- The Pokémon will start with any TM or HM moves (and in Crystal, Move Tutor moves) that the father knows and the baby can also learn by machine.
- The Pokémon will start with any Egg moves that the baby can learn and the father knows.
After testing Helping Hand vs Protect Klefki vs Wyverii, I can confirm that Prankster boosts any "Other" move by +1, regardless of its original starting priority. In this battle, Protect went before +5 priority Helping Hand when Klefki was faster, while Helping Hand went first when Minun was faster. Protect is normally +4
Edit: I have not tested with moves of negative priority yet, however
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Does that mean roar and whirlwind will always be at +1 for prankster users? Cuz that would get annoying fast....
Could it be possible that it raises anything below +1 directly to +1, and anything +1 or above it just gives a single boost? Or is it just that the Room attacks are no longer negative priority? Hmm...A lot of testing is gonna be required this gen.
Quoting myself but just had a Golduck in game use Soak on me and I got the message "Chesnaught transforms into the water type" rather than "Water type was added to Chesnaught".
I can confirm that Ghost/Steel types are also immune to the effects of Magnet Pull.
Sound-based moves go through Substitute. Metal Sound and Screech were tested after Substitute was used, and both moves had normal effect. Reports of Boomburst, Growl, and Supersonic going through Substitute were brought up too - I'll test those shortly, as well as other sound-based moves.
Also to test: whether or not sound-based moves go through Substitute on a Soundproof Pokemon. Unlikely but still probably worth testing.
Also to test: whether or not sound-based moves go through Substitute on a Soundproof Pokemon. Unlikely but still probably worth testing.
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Confirmed with Zebraiken:
- Toxic can hit a Pokemon currently in the air from Fly if Toxic is used by a Poison-type (this may mean toxic has 100% accuracy on poison-types)
- Substitute still blocks Toxic when its used by a Poison-type
will be testing toxic a lot more
Ok, so Mewtwo's Toxic COULD NOT hit something using Fly, this is exclusive to Poison-types
- Toxic can hit a Pokemon currently in the air from Fly if Toxic is used by a Poison-type (this may mean toxic has 100% accuracy on poison-types)
- Substitute still blocks Toxic when its used by a Poison-type
will be testing toxic a lot more
Ok, so Mewtwo's Toxic COULD NOT hit something using Fly, this is exclusive to Poison-types
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That is... not the same type it would have had in Gen 5 and previous. It would have been Ghost-type then. HP Steel also matches the prediction of the chart in the first post.
This may not be the best evidence we can get, but I used Flying Press against a Scraggy and the HP went down insanely fast. That usually only happens when the move had a 4x effectiveness OR the Attack/Defense difference is really high.
Not conclusive at all, of course, but for now, I'm inclined to believe 4x effectiveness is perfectly possible.
Not conclusive at all, of course, but for now, I'm inclined to believe 4x effectiveness is perfectly possible.
This seems to vary quite a bit depending on the move. Aerial Ace, for example, drops the HP nearly instantly if its an OHKO. Other moves (Razor Shell) drop it much slower.
Also, me and Zebraiken tested this out in the OP
Topsy-Turvy is not affected by Clear Body. A +0 Tentacool wrap vs Inkay did more damage than a +2 Topsy-Turvyd Tentacool Wrap vs Inkay. I saved the battle video of this one. Topsy-Turvy works on Clear Body Pokemon!
Just some things on Aegislash and Stance Change, I have no idea if this is being repeated or not cuz the search function is so dumb:
Aegislash will forme change to Sword Stance if you select an attacking move, even if the opponent uses Protect or Aegislash is put to sleep.
Aegislash reverts to Shield Stance if it is manually switched out and back in (not confirmed on being phazed out by Roar or Whirlwind).
Aegislash will forme change to Sword Stance if you select an attacking move, even if the opponent uses Protect or Aegislash is put to sleep.
Aegislash reverts to Shield Stance if it is manually switched out and back in (not confirmed on being phazed out by Roar or Whirlwind).
For BW it was Toxic poisoning. Doesn't hurt to double check though.
Also for end-of-battle sequence: Your Pokemon will take recoil damage before the end of the battle is announced, but it will not take hail or sandstorm damage. Have not encountered a tie scenario yet to determine what happens if the opponent faints and then your Pokemon faints due to recoil.
Shit sorry. Meant ghost. I was doing this from memory at work. Just double checked and it is ghost.