Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver - The Offical Competitive Discussion Thread

[SpadeMan]

too bad grass types are abundant in NU.

Power Whip on the Venusaur Swords Dance set looks like a nice addition

 

[Yanma024]

DD Whiscash seems like it will cause it to get some attention. And he has a pretty good Physical move pool- DD/ AquaTail/ Water Fall/ EQ/ Zen Heatbutt/ Ston Edge/ Spark.
And then he has Tickle/ Hydro Pump/ SleepTalk/ Rest.
Hopefully he will get loads of attention, I know I will try it out.

EDIT- It is too bad Victreebel still does not get Power Whip. At least it gets Fire Weather Ball + Chlorophyll + synthesis.

 

[gvmgvm40]

The problem is, Whiscash is too slow and too weak to be doing any significant damage. Leafeon laughs at it, Meganium laughs at it, Regigigas laughs at it, Slaking laughs at it, Cradily laughs at it, Lickilicky laughs at it, Vileplume, Poliwrath, Quagsire, Tauros... In short, anything that isn't hit for SE damage can take a hit and force it out. Whiscash needs Ice Beam and significant EV investment in SA to have a chance at beating bulky grasses, and then it loses the raw power/speed it needs. Also, if it runs Ice Beam, it has to drop Stone Edge, and without SE, Regice, Articuno and Cloyster have fun.

 

[Yanma024]

The problem is, Whiscash is too slow and too weak to be doing any significant damage.

Crawdaunt is more appealing between the two, with better stats and more offensive attacks. X-scissor, Waterfall, Avalanche?, Crunch, superpower, Metal Claw, ect.

Still- Whiscash can hit neutral on plenty of pokes. I haven't thought of it much, but Tickle could soften switch-ins and force switches.

 

[Rolf]

Head Smash Aggron should get some interesting play. It runs Relicanth's Rock Polish/Head Smash set, but better.

Brave Bird on Honchkrow = BL for sure.

Nasty Plot/Baton Pass Mr. Mime becomes playable, especially in uu. That could be potent.

 

[Snorlaxe]

Honchkrow wont actually be getting as much attention for Brave Bird, because between Rocks and Recoil and Life Orb damage...Honchkrow wont be getting many turns to live. But Nasty Plot Mismagius is going to take UU by storm, it will be suspect right away.

 

[viol and bass]

I don't know if this has been said yet but I know that some people have been saying that Dratini can't learn ES because no pokémon in its egg groups learn it. However, this isn't the case:

After you have defeated Clair in the Blackthorn Gym, she will send you on a quest into the Dragon.s Den. Deep inside the den you will discover a building with the elders. These Elders will ask you questions about how you raise your Pokémon. After the questions are answered, he will give you a Dratini. If you answer his questions with the compassionate responses, the Dratini will know the special move; ExtremeSpeed. If you don't answer with those responses, it will just know its basic moves.

 

[PK Gaming]

Uh -oh.

You hear that? ES Dratini is GIVEN TO YOU.
That means no breeding for natures or IV's.

That means soft resetting a million/jillion times.

Nearly all of them will be useless for ingame.
Any decent ones will be hacked.

 

[viol and bass]

Uh -oh.

You hear that? ES Dratini is GIVEN TO YOU.
That means no breeding for natures or IV's.

That means soft resetting a million/jillion times.

Nearly all of them will be useless for ingame.
Any decent ones will be hacked.

No, because it's an egg move now. Simply breed that dratini and you get another with ES.

 

[The Shadow Knight]

Uh -oh.

You hear that? ES Dratini is GIVEN TO YOU.
That means no breeding for natures or IV's.

That means soft resetting a million/jillion times.

Nearly all of them will be useless for ingame.
Any decent ones will be hacked.

Depends on how abusable HGSS's RNG is.

 

[turtwigpal]

No, because it's an egg move now. Simply breed that dratini and you get another with ES.

Just make sure it's male.

 

[PK Gaming]

Gotcha.

 

[pkmn1000]

Im gonna start using gravity registeel coupled with choice band dugtrio to totally screw up UU like blisstrio screwed OU in gravity.

 

[Cool Ivysaur]

Pain Split Mew will be a nice check on Blissey in Ubers(actually anything slower than it..)

 

[Ridley-X4]

With Scizor getting Bug Bite and having technician, the damage calculation should go like this:

60 x 1.5 Technician = 90
90 + (60 x 1.5 STAB) = 120

Is this correct?

If so, this basically means scizor gets a 120 powered attack, and if the foe is holding a berry, the attack power will go up to 240? Wow.

 

[Yanma024]

With Scizor getting Bug Bite and having technician, the damage calculation should go like this:

60 x 1.5 Technician = 90
90 + (60 x 1.5 STAB) = 120

Is this correct?

If so, this basically means scizor gets a 120 powered attack, and if the foe is holding a berry, the attack power will go up to 240? Wow.

Your thinking of Pluck(also 60 base). Bug Bite receives the effects of the berry.
He can eat Ninjask's Leichi Berry, or random Salac Berries.

Edit-
Will Scizor now use
Swords Dance/ Bullet Punch/ Bug Bite/ Superpower?
No more U-turn

 

[Slice]

I doubt that U-turn will be replaced by bug bite.

 

[Ridley-X4]

So if the foe is holding a berry, Pluck only doubles the base power of the attack, while Bug Bite gets the berry. Hm. I thought they did the same thing, but now I know!

 

[Bobius]

60*1.5*1.5 gives you base 135, not 120 anyway, making it better than X-Scissor (Base 120), but arguably worse than U-Turn due to U-turns secondary effect.

 

[Yanma024]

I doubt that U-turn will be replaced by bug bite.

Bug Bite is for power, but U-turn is to scout. It can become a matter of preference.
Bug Bite is the better choice on the odd Baton Pass team.

 

[-Terywj-]

U-Turn is just too good for scouting reasons for Scizor to replace it with Bug Bite. Although I'm sure other sets will utilize it.

-Terywj

 

[Ritsi_Time]

Isn't the whole scouting-the-counter appeal of U-Turn down to a bug in Shoddy 1's coding? In which case it should be fixed when Shoddy 2 is released in the coming months...

If not, ignore me

 

[WarriorPrince]

U-turn will remain the main choice on Banded Scizors. It would be foolish to replace it for Bug Bite on Banded Scizors. On SD Sets Bug Bite is far Superior. He now has a stab attack that out damages X-Scissor as well as a not stabbed Superpower.

 

[frogbandit]

Bug Bite does give Scizor another option, but U-Turn is probably more useful, as it helps scout and switch to a counter.

 

[User 12783]

I just realized Alakazam got Gravity, this makes Gravity teams really viable, as a SuicideGravityLead would be awesome, and this allows Stall Teams to be very potent. :naughty: