Pokémon XY General Discussion

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Is it just me or does it bug anyone else that they seem to just be randomly switching types around, when their normal typing conventions would have them in a different order (see: Noivern Flying/Dragon, Helioptile Electric/Normal, Litleo Fire/Normal, Skrelp Poison/Water)?
I like change! It means more diversity, and may mean we may get things like more pure flying types.
 
Seems fair, since Ember and Water Gun were already 25/100 moves.
But Razor Leaf was the 25 PP Grass technique to go as a set with Ember and Water Gun as the token STAB techniques for the starters. Well, they would be, but the Grass starter always learns something crazy first between Vine whip, Razor Leaf and Absorb. Chespin doesn't appear to learn Razor Leaf before Vine Whip, so it looks like they may be catering some of their choices to even out the early game so that Chespin doesn't come with a disadvantage for having less chances to hit an opponent with its first STAB technique than Froakie or Fennekin.
 
I like change! It means more diversity, and may mean we may get things like more pure flying types.
I think you misunderstand what bugs me. I'm all for diversity, but this is fake diversity. Dragon/Flying and Flying/Dragon are mechanically the exact same; GameFreak only switched them to likely say "oh yeah we also have this one that's different (but not really)!" I'm all for a Normal/Fire type, I simply don't understand why they're breaking type-order conventions and making it Fire/Normal.
 
But Razor Leaf was the 25 PP Grass technique to go as a set with Ember and Water Gun as the token STAB techniques for the starters. Well, they would be, but the Grass starter always learns something crazy first between Vine whip, Razor Leaf and Absorb. Chespin doesn't appear to learn Razor Leaf before Vine Whip, so it looks like they may be catering some of their choices to even out the early game so that Chespin doesn't come with a disadvantage for having less chances to hit an opponent with its first STAB technique than Froakie or Fennekin.
i've personally never considered razor leaf to be among the described. it's not only got a higher base power, but a high crit chance [which, while not meaning much now, meant everything in gen 1, with venusaur being practically guaranteed a critical hit]. so, yeah, i'd say that razor leaf is off on its own little shtick personally.
 
i've personally never considered razor leaf to be among the described. it's not only got a higher base power, but a high crit chance [which, while not meaning much now, meant everything in gen 1, with venusaur being practically guaranteed a critical hit]. so, yeah, i'd say that razor leaf is off on its own little shtick personally.
For as long as it's Chikoritas first STAB technique, I'm gonna disagree. Not that it matters, since Chespin is looking to follow Bulbasaur and Snivy in knowing Vine Whip first, but I'm just sayin.
 
For as long as it's Chikoritas first STAB technique, I'm gonna disagree. Not that it matters, since Chespin is looking to follow Bulbasaur and Snivy in knowing Vine Whip first, but I'm just sayin.
piplup got bubble instead of water gun though
does that mean that it's on the same page as ember?
absorb maybe but grass just didn't have a move exactly comparable to ember/water gun until now. razor leaf was different.
a bit off-topic to the thread though, so...

Stellar, is the OP going to be updated soon? Don't mean to nag, but CoroCoro's been released, right?
 
piplup got bubble instead of water gun though
does that mean that it's on the same page as ember?
absorb maybe but grass just didn't have a move exactly comparable to ember/water gun until now. razor leaf was different.
a bit off-topic to the thread though, so...

Stellar, is the OP going to be updated soon? Don't mean to nag, but CoroCoro's been released, right?
Granted, they don't make a perfect triangle. Ember is the go-to move for every Fire starter, and Water Gun is mostly a Water-type variation of Ember, but since those two and Razor Leaf have had the same PP and BP, it made sense personally. But Froakie gets Bubble too, so they're remaining somewhat indifferent to the whole implication (Along with upping Vine Whips PP to make Chespin just as seemingly viable as Fennekin.)
 
it looks like berries are back with even more newer varieties and will be used to make the different-colored doughnut hole-esque treats you feed to your Pokémon in Poké-Amie (also, let's come up with a nickname for Pokémon Amie) Perhaps Pokémon will have tastes again, like in Gen 3-4, to be appeased when feeding them treats.
Again, i suggested that the treats would be type-based.

@Talonflame

Awesome name. I'm not enjoying reading 5 straight pages of nothing but Talonflame hate, with like, 3 comments supporting it. I personally pronounced it "Talaflame" for whatever reason when I first heard of its English name. I get a Pidgeotto-esque vibe from it, so I personally believe it'll evolve.
 
if it were not physical, bulbasaur hentai wouldn't exist, i'm sure- /shot

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Also, for anyone who cares/was thinking of doing this for fun/cares, Pokemon X & Y will be able to be set to several different languages [as opposed to only one]... But only at the beginning of the game, so it's like choosing your player character.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me because the story would remain congruent, you know? Not to mention that you could just change it at any time via the options menu or something. I guess it's for people to not be confused of the names of different locations and Pokemon being changed between versions/not being able to navigate the menu any longer due to not being able to read it, but even with non-speakers it'd still be cool to take a look around the world in German, for example. The languages are Japanese [presumably both kanji and hiragana], Korean, English, French, Spanish, German, and Italian, if I recall correctly.

[quite a shame, i would've liked to either have the most in-depth understanding and ability to talk about it with my friends [english] while recapping on french pokemon and names of things, and learning a bit of spanish before I go too far in the course at school/get a leg-up in said course. NOW I HAVE TO PICK ONE.]
 
I like change! It means more diversity, and may mean we may get things like more pure flying types.
Yeah me too, this has been pretty interesting in terms of new typings and early game mons, we have the early bird but it's fire instead of normal, the normal mons not being completely normal, early grass types seemingly being switched for an early fairy type, and the bat mon being dragon, so far the only "repetition" is the early bug and honestly I find it a cuter than many other bugs
 
Yeah me too, this has been pretty interesting in terms of new typings and early game mons, we have the early bird but it's fire instead of normal, the normal mons not being completely normal, early grass types seemingly being switched for an early fairy type, and the bat mon being dragon, so far the only "repetition" is the early bug and honestly I find it a cuter than many other bugs
If they release a Fire/Flying that may be "good''...
Could that hint At a ''good'' Rock type?

Also, it seems they release 2+ baby Pokemon every 2 generations....
 
Also, for anyone who cares/was thinking of doing this for fun/cares, Pokemon X & Y will be able to be set to several different languages [as opposed to only one]... But only at the beginning of the game, so it's like choosing your player character.
That will be fun. Is this why X & Y are released simultaneously everywhere instead of Japan first, then NA, and then everywhere else? So there is no longer a Japanese version, just a Japanese option?

I can sort of see why they don't let you change language mid-game though, maybe because by now I'm really used to English localizations. Imagine memorizing every pokemon and move and ability in another language, multiple times.
 
That will be fun. Is this why X & Y are released simultaneously everywhere instead of Japan first, then NA, and then everywhere else? So there is no longer a Japanese version, just a Japanese option?

I can sort of see why they don't let you change language mid-game though, maybe because by now I'm really used to English localizations. Imagine memorizing every pokemon and move and ability in another language, multiple times.
There will still be a Japanese version because it is region locked but yes they released it worldwide at the same time so that players can all experience it together instead of Japan getting it over a year before. That is why it is X and Y, the title will be the same all over the world instead of a different name. The world knowing everything that happens because Japan had it so soon, and every non-Japanese fan hating the wait.
 
That will be fun. Is this why X & Y are released simultaneously everywhere instead of Japan first, then NA, and then everywhere else? So there is no longer a Japanese version, just a Japanese option?
i would assume so, though there tend to be differences between versions regardless, like the lacking of a [real] game corner in the international releases of hg/ss, for example.

I can sort of see why they don't let you change language mid-game though, maybe because by now I'm really used to English localizations. Imagine memorizing every pokemon and move and ability in another language, multiple times.
nawww that's not a problem for people who wanna do it. for example:

Drattak @ Orbe Vie
Trait: Intimidation
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Rigide Nature
- Danse Draco
- Dracogriffe
- Séisme
- Éboulement

off of the top of my head. idk what the cool kids use nowadays because i didn't look it up.

especially if you see the name a lot, you'll start to learn it regardless. the only real problem is in-game and you have it on "switch," and you might not know what the heck a leviator when it says that's what they're gonna send out, and then your fennekin gets smashed by a gyarados' waterfall lol.
 
It would be really cool if we can change the language even if it's just at the beginning (is it confirmed by the way ?). I live in France so it would be hard to buy pokemon games in English (it's probably possible but in a specialised shop or something but it's hard to find because French people hate other languages). However, I don't want to play the French version because I watch Youtube videos in English and I don't want to learn all the names in 2 languages.

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especially if you see the name a lot, you'll start to learn it regardless. the only real problem is in-game and you have it on "switch," and you might not know what the heck a leviator when it says that's what they're gonna send out, and then your fennekin gets smashed by a gyarados' waterfall lol.
I played Manly Pink, a fire red hack where there are 5th gen pokemon instead of the 1st gen ones and as the hack was made before the English version of B&W, the pokemon names were in Japanese so I had my game on "set" for this reason. Since then, I don't want to go back to "switch", I find it more fun on "set" :D.
 
I think you misunderstand what bugs me. I'm all for diversity, but this is fake diversity. Dragon/Flying and Flying/Dragon are mechanically the exact same; GameFreak only switched them to likely say "oh yeah we also have this one that's different (but not really)!" I'm all for a Normal/Fire type, I simply don't understand why they're breaking type-order conventions and making it Fire/Normal.
What's wrong with fake diversity when the alternative is a combination we already have? This is in regards to the non-Normal ones you mentioned.
 
What's wrong with fake diversity when the alternative is a combination we already have? This is in regards to the non-Normal ones you mentioned.
I always wondered if they were ever going to make type order relevant in the game, but I guess not. It's like "so-and-so is primarily a Normal type, but is also part Flying." You'd think if it's that important they'd make a mechanic of it by now.
 
I always wondered if they were ever going to make type order relevant in the game, but I guess not. It's like "so-and-so is primarily a Normal type, but is also part Flying." You'd think if it's that important they'd make a mechanic of it by now.
Type order has nothing to do with game mechanics, as we already know. But order has to do little with design of Pokemons. Empoleon is Water/Steel 1. It is penguin (water) 2. It has steel armor. So primary type is what pokemon is based on and secondary type will reflect its outlook. Primary type will be usually unchanged when Pokemon evolves.

Enough of this typing talk. Back to topic...
 
So glad we dont have to wait longer than japan. Alwayd hated having to wait longer D:
It's going to be really interesting because by this point (assuming it would be out in Japan and October was the NA release date) I would have already played through the game a few times in Japanese and had months and months to theorymon on an entire datamined Pokedex.

This is the first time since Yellow that I'll be playing a new game without knowing everything about it by launch. Kind of exciting.
 
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