Thanks, that's what I was hoping for!
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However, in other analyses where a hidden power is a main slash (I looked at thundy-i) the IVs aren't shown, so I thought this one should be fine.
Thus, I only mentioned the IV that would need some explaining.
You do mention specific IVs in both the comments and the actual set detail itself (specifically the 29 HP you mention), so to avoid confusion the full spread should probably just be added to the set detail (especially because Showdown doesn't tell you what the Hidden Power type is if you alter EVs). I'm not QC or part of the people programming the new Strategy Dex, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. But at the least, that full spread should be mentioned in the comments so people know exactly what to type into Showdown / breed for.
I believe that 0 Atk IVs on Special Attackers is not something that we include. That's up to the reader to know about, for whatever reason, policy is that we assume the reader knows that anyway. Hidden Power IVs are also not included unless they are different from the default ones. In this case, just put 29 HP IVs, since the rest are standard for HP Fire.
Done
I also included a mention of HP rock in OO while I was writing this up.
Didn't know how to categorize Mega Venu and Mandibuzz in the checks and counters section, so I just called them "Powder-Immune Pokemon" for the time being.
This is ready for the last QC check!
Fire "Amcheck"
PS: Sorry for potentially annoying format
It was rejected; you shouldn't mention it.
Other than those errors, this was very well written Srn9130! I love using Roserade now; it's an interesting alternative to Deo-D.
PS: Sorry for potentially annoying format
You left out the number of Speed EV's. 252, I presume.
Just a general question: is this a proper word in Smogon?
A bit wordy. I'd change it to "Without it, you miss out on the OHKO on Mega Scizor, Skarmory, Mega Mawile, Lucario, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, and Mega Pinsir and the 2HKO on Aegislash after Stealth Rocks."
I'm not sure if this is necessary, but aren't the moves supposed to be described in order? If Spikes is the reason to use Roserade, as you state, you probably should discuss it first.
The bold part is awkward. Maybe rework the sentence to sound like "Maximum investment in Speed and Special Attack helps get down Spikes as fast as possible while boosting Roserade's ability to hit switch-ins hard; Life Orb is the item of choice for this reason."
Really awkward phrasing. Maybe change it to "The first objective when using Roserade is to cripple a Pokemon by putting it to sleep."
a powerful attack
No "i" necessary :D
Perhaps mention HP Ground for Heatran as another Hidden Power that may seem useful, but in practice isn't as good as HP Fire.
Its defense isn't frail; Roserade is physically frail, or its physical defense is low/poor.
Lastly, the descriptions should go after the words, without a line break, with a colon. Like this:
Don't forget to fix the bit about Physical Attackers, if you copy this.
Other than those errors, this was very well written Srn9130! I love using Roserade now; it's an interesting alternative to Deo-D.
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Hnnng I always do that dammit.
I was wondering that myself
That tidbit was bad, made it a tad more concise.
Eh, I suppose it just makes more sense. Changed.
Fixed
Nah, the only pokemon you cover with hp ground that you don't with hp fire is heatran, I think it's more productive to accept that Heatran is coming in for free and that there are better lures out there. Besides, you could save your sleep powder for this thing too.
Fixed
Oh, I thought it was a pretty cool set :< Too bad
Done
(I gotta fix that for muh gourgeist-S analysis too oops)
Thanks :]
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Remember, 'you' refers to the user, not the Pokemon, so avoid phrases such as 'you can 2HKO Mandibuzz with Sludge Bomb.' This was also a little fluff-ridden in places (see my comment in Set Details), but you can improve on that with practice :) Good luck!
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Overview
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With colorful flowers as for hands, a heroic cape, and some really weird hair, Roserade plays a unique role in the OU tier: an offensive SpikeStacker Spiker. Access to Spikes and even Toxic Spikes along with a solid base 125 Special Attack stat allows Roserade to play this role effectively. Thanks to Roserade's ability Technician, this flower boasts access to a special move of any type it chooses with a solid 90 Base Power. Thanks to new breeding mechanics, the previously illegal combination of Sleep Powder and Spikes is now legal, letting Roserade shut down a Pokemon while stacking Spikes. Roserade can sponge a special hit or two as well thanks to its decent base 105 Special Defense and Grass / Poison typing, which offers handy resistances to Water-, Fighting-, Electric-, Grass-, and Fairy- type moves.
However, there are several flaws that prevent Roserade from being the hazard setter of choice. A 90 Base 90 Speed is lackluster for an offensive Pokemon, and it prevents Roserade from beating several pokemon, threats such as Landorus-T and Manaphy. Roserade is also weak to some very common attacking types in the current OU metagame, such as Ice, Fire, and Flying type moves. This issue is further worsened with Roserade's by its pitiful base 60 HP and base 65 Defense, which leaves you it unable to stomach almost any physical STAB move hitting the physical side. Roserade also faces plenty of competition for the role of laying hazards from Pokemon such as like Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, and Klefki. Despite these flaws, Roserade's offensive presence, access to Sleep Powder, and ability to SpikeStack stack Spikes make it a great pick for offensive teams.
Offensive Spikes
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name: Offensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Leaf Storm
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
ability: Technician
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 29 HP
nature: Timid
Moves
========
Spikes, one of the main reasons Roserade is used, racks up residual damage and punishes any switches. Sleep Powder is used to incapacitate a Pokemon for a majority of the match, (remove comma) and can be very useful in shutting down Pokemon that are difficult for your team to break or handle. Leaf Storm is the strongest move in your Roserade's arsenal, hitting any Pokemon that doesn't resist it extremely hard. Hidden Power Fire is there to mainly nail Pokemon looking to absorb the Sleep Powder or try and take the Leaf Storm. The boost in power that Hidden Power Fire receives from Technician is extremely important. Without it, you Roserade doesn't OHKO Mega Scizor, Skarmory, Mega Mawile, Lucario, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, and Mega Pinsir or 2HKO Aegislash after Stealth Rock. Sludge Bomb is an option over Hidden Power Fire, as you it can 2HKO both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur, both of which are common pokemon that try switch-ins to absorb Sleep Powder. However, the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it. Giga Drain is a more consistent option over Leaf Storm, but the loss in power is very noticeable.
Set Details
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Maximum investment in Speed and Special Attack helps get down Spikes as fast as possible while boosting Roserade's ability to hit switch-ins hard; Life Orb is the item of choice for this reason. Technician's boost to Hidden Power Fire is invaluable, and it should always be used over Natural Cure. Normally, Roserade has 261 HP, meaning that recoil from Life Orb is 26.1, which rounds down to 26. However, by reducing the IVs to 29, Roserade's HP will be 259, meaning that Life Orb recoil will be 25.9, which rounds down to 25. 29 HP IVs are used to minimize Life Orb recoil. (You don't need to explain all this) Note that the number of IVs in HP IVs does not affect the type of Hidden Power.
Usage Tips
========
The first objective when using Roserade is to cripple a Pokemon by putting it to sleep. If there is a Pokemon on the opponent's team that can absorb Sleep Powder, Roserade is better off setting Spikes or trying to nail the switch-in with powerful attacks. Roserade is a powerful but rather frail Pokemon that shouldn't be sacrificed early on, so only set Spikes on predicted switches. Roserade It should be switched in only on resisted special hits, as it is frail otherwise. Leaf Storm should always be your Roserade's main attacking option, and Hidden Power Fire should handle most Pokemon attempting to cushion the Leaf Storm.
Team Options
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A lot of Roserade's best teammates will generally be offensive threats which that offer good synergy and appreciate the residual damage from Spikes. Talonflame is one of these, and Roserade can beat Rotom-W for it. Keldeo applies much more pressure on its checks with the extra hazards. Rotom-W checks the Fire-type Pokemon that switch in on Roserade and grabs momentum with Volt Switch. A Defiant or Competitive user, like Bisharp, Thundurus, or Milotic, can switch in on a Defog attempt to remove Spikes and punish the opposing team with powerful boosted attacks. Heatran is one of the a more defensive teammates, who that can set Stealth Rock on Talonflame and damage Grass-types with Lava Plume, while Roserade can set Spikes on bulky Water-type Pokemon. Skarmory can take on several Pokemon that threaten Roserade, such as Mega Pinsir and Mamoswine, but be sure not to Defog away your own hazards.
Other Options
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A SpikeStacking set oriented more defensively defensive Spikes-stacking set is an option, but this is mostly outclassed by Chesnaught, as Roserade doesn't have great bulk and loses to several Defog users. Roserade isn't a great defensive pokemon and loses to several Defoggers, which is why defensive SpikeStacking is not advised on Roserade. Shadow Ball can offer powerful neutral coverage and hit Aegislash, but Aegislash is already hit by Hidden Power Fire, and Shadow Ball leaves you Roserade helpless against some Steel-type Pokemon, notably Bisharp. Roserade can use Aromatherapy and carry out or even run a SubSeed set, but it is largely outclassed in these roles. A 'Double Powder' set can be used to catch switch-ins off-guard, but the loss of offensive coverage isn't worth it. A Choice Scarf set can revenge kill Pokemon like such as Greninja, Manaphy, and Mega Gyarados, but it is outclassed by several Pokemon as a user of Choice Scarf, such as Garchomp and Excadrill. Roserade also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but due to its general frailty, (add comma) Roserade it isn't the best choice for a weather setter. Hidden Power Rock can be used to catch the usual Fire-type and some Dragon-type switch-ins off guard, but the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it.
Checks & Counters
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**Fire-types** (fix spacing) Strong Fire-type Pokemon, like Heatran, Talonflame, and the Mega Charizard formes, have little trouble switching in and roasting Roserade with powerful attacks, although the latter two must be wary of Sludge Bomb or Hidden Power Rock.
**Strong Physical Attackers**: Roserade's physical Defense is very low, so physical attackers like such as Dragonite, Excadrill, and Garchomp can easily 2HKO Roserade it with almost any move.
**Special Walls and Assault Vest users**: Roserade cannot hope to dent special walls such as Chansey or Heatran, and Assault Vest users like Goodra and Conkeldurr can handle Roserade's attacks as well.
**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types Pokemon that resist Grass, such as Latias, Latios, Dragonite, Kyurem-B, Goodra, and Mega Charizard X, can generally do a good job against Roserade, although they must be wary of a powerful Sludge Bomb.
**Powder-Immune Pokemon**: Mega Venusaur and Mandibuzz can absorb a Sleep Powder and sponge any other attacks Roserade can use, but both must watch out for Sludge Bomb, which can 2HKO them as both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur are 2HKO'd by it.
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With colorful flowers as for hands, a heroic cape, and some really weird hair, Roserade plays a unique role in the OU tier: an offensive SpikeStacker Spiker. Access to Spikes and even Toxic Spikes along with a solid base 125 Special Attack stat allows Roserade to play this role effectively. Thanks to Roserade's ability Technician, this flower boasts access to a special move of any type it chooses with a solid 90 Base Power. Thanks to new breeding mechanics, the previously illegal combination of Sleep Powder and Spikes is now legal, letting Roserade shut down a Pokemon while stacking Spikes. Roserade can sponge a special hit or two as well thanks to its decent base 105 Special Defense and Grass / Poison typing, which offers handy resistances to Water-, Fighting-, Electric-, Grass-, and Fairy- type moves.
However, there are several flaws that prevent Roserade from being the hazard setter of choice. A 90 Base 90 Speed is lackluster for an offensive Pokemon, and it prevents Roserade from beating several pokemon, threats such as Landorus-T and Manaphy. Roserade is also weak to some very common attacking types in the current OU metagame, such as Ice, Fire, and Flying type moves. This issue is further worsened with Roserade's by its pitiful base 60 HP and base 65 Defense, which leaves you it unable to stomach almost any physical STAB move hitting the physical side. Roserade also faces plenty of competition for the role of laying hazards from Pokemon such as like Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, and Klefki. Despite these flaws, Roserade's offensive presence, access to Sleep Powder, and ability to SpikeStack stack Spikes make it a great pick for offensive teams.
Offensive Spikes
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name: Offensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Leaf Storm
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
ability: Technician
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 29 HP
nature: Timid
Moves
========
Spikes, one of the main reasons Roserade is used, racks up residual damage and punishes any switches. Sleep Powder is used to incapacitate a Pokemon for a majority of the match, (remove comma) and can be very useful in shutting down Pokemon that are difficult for your team to break or handle. Leaf Storm is the strongest move in your Roserade's arsenal, hitting any Pokemon that doesn't resist it extremely hard. Hidden Power Fire is there to mainly nail Pokemon looking to absorb the Sleep Powder or try and take the Leaf Storm. The boost in power that Hidden Power Fire receives from Technician is extremely important. Without it, you Roserade doesn't OHKO Mega Scizor, Skarmory, Mega Mawile, Lucario, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, and Mega Pinsir or 2HKO Aegislash after Stealth Rock. Sludge Bomb is an option over Hidden Power Fire, as you it can 2HKO both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur, both of which are common pokemon that try switch-ins to absorb Sleep Powder. However, the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it. Giga Drain is a more consistent option over Leaf Storm, but the loss in power is very noticeable.
Set Details
========
Maximum investment in Speed and Special Attack helps get down Spikes as fast as possible while boosting Roserade's ability to hit switch-ins hard; Life Orb is the item of choice for this reason. Technician's boost to Hidden Power Fire is invaluable, and it should always be used over Natural Cure. Normally, Roserade has 261 HP, meaning that recoil from Life Orb is 26.1, which rounds down to 26. However, by reducing the IVs to 29, Roserade's HP will be 259, meaning that Life Orb recoil will be 25.9, which rounds down to 25. 29 HP IVs are used to minimize Life Orb recoil. (You don't need to explain all this) Note that the number of IVs in HP IVs does not affect the type of Hidden Power.
Usage Tips
========
The first objective when using Roserade is to cripple a Pokemon by putting it to sleep. If there is a Pokemon on the opponent's team that can absorb Sleep Powder, Roserade is better off setting Spikes or trying to nail the switch-in with powerful attacks. Roserade is a powerful but rather frail Pokemon that shouldn't be sacrificed early on, so only set Spikes on predicted switches. Roserade It should be switched in only on resisted special hits, as it is frail otherwise. Leaf Storm should always be your Roserade's main attacking option, and Hidden Power Fire should handle most Pokemon attempting to cushion the Leaf Storm.
Team Options
========
A lot of Roserade's best teammates will generally be offensive threats which that offer good synergy and appreciate the residual damage from Spikes. Talonflame is one of these, and Roserade can beat Rotom-W for it. Keldeo applies much more pressure on its checks with the extra hazards. Rotom-W checks the Fire-type Pokemon that switch in on Roserade and grabs momentum with Volt Switch. A Defiant or Competitive user, like Bisharp, Thundurus, or Milotic, can switch in on a Defog attempt to remove Spikes and punish the opposing team with powerful boosted attacks. Heatran is one of the a more defensive teammates, who that can set Stealth Rock on Talonflame and damage Grass-types with Lava Plume, while Roserade can set Spikes on bulky Water-type Pokemon. Skarmory can take on several Pokemon that threaten Roserade, such as Mega Pinsir and Mamoswine, but be sure not to Defog away your own hazards.
Other Options
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A SpikeStacking set oriented more defensively defensive Spikes-stacking set is an option, but this is mostly outclassed by Chesnaught, as Roserade doesn't have great bulk and loses to several Defog users. Roserade isn't a great defensive pokemon and loses to several Defoggers, which is why defensive SpikeStacking is not advised on Roserade. Shadow Ball can offer powerful neutral coverage and hit Aegislash, but Aegislash is already hit by Hidden Power Fire, and Shadow Ball leaves you Roserade helpless against some Steel-type Pokemon, notably Bisharp. Roserade can use Aromatherapy and carry out or even run a SubSeed set, but it is largely outclassed in these roles. A 'Double Powder' set can be used to catch switch-ins off-guard, but the loss of offensive coverage isn't worth it. A Choice Scarf set can revenge kill Pokemon like such as Greninja, Manaphy, and Mega Gyarados, but it is outclassed by several Pokemon as a user of Choice Scarf, such as Garchomp and Excadrill. Roserade also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but due to its general frailty, (add comma) Roserade it isn't the best choice for a weather setter. Hidden Power Rock can be used to catch the usual Fire-type and some Dragon-type switch-ins off guard, but the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it.
Checks & Counters
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**Fire-types** (fix spacing) Strong Fire-type Pokemon, like Heatran, Talonflame, and the Mega Charizard formes, have little trouble switching in and roasting Roserade with powerful attacks, although the latter two must be wary of Sludge Bomb or Hidden Power Rock.
**Strong Physical Attackers**: Roserade's physical Defense is very low, so physical attackers like such as Dragonite, Excadrill, and Garchomp can easily 2HKO Roserade it with almost any move.
**Special Walls and Assault Vest users**: Roserade cannot hope to dent special walls such as Chansey or Heatran, and Assault Vest users like Goodra and Conkeldurr can handle Roserade's attacks as well.
**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types Pokemon that resist Grass, such as Latias, Latios, Dragonite, Kyurem-B, Goodra, and Mega Charizard X, can generally do a good job against Roserade, although they must be wary of a powerful Sludge Bomb.
**Powder-Immune Pokemon**: Mega Venusaur and Mandibuzz can absorb a Sleep Powder and sponge any other attacks Roserade can use, but both must watch out for Sludge Bomb, which can 2HKO them as both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur are 2HKO'd by it.
Remember, 'you' refers to the user, not the Pokemon, so avoid phrases such as 'you can 2HKO Mandibuzz with Sludge Bomb.' This was also a little fluff-ridden in places (see my comment in Set Details), but you can improve on that with practice :) Good luck!
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Am I missing something or...?
I swear it was at some point. But you're right, it was put (back??) on its analysis.
So Srn9130, you can/should mention it again.
AM check! (WIP)
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Credit to Plus for the original thread I decided to work off of.
Overview
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With colorful flowers as hands, a heroic cape, and some really weird hair, (remove the fluff) Roserade plays a unique role in the OU tier: as an Ooffensive SpikeStacker (not sure if this is the way to express this, I would just say "spike stacker"). Access to Spikes and even Toxic Spikes along with a solid base 125 Special Attack stat allows Roserade to play this role effectively. Thanks to Roserade's Its ability, (AC) Technician, this flower boasts effectively gives it access to a special move of any type it chooses with a solid 90 BP Fire-type move to OHKO common checks to Roserade base power. Thanks to new breeding mechanics, Roserade can now run the previously illegal combination of Sleep Powder and Spikes in the same set is now legal, letting giving Roserade more opportunities to set up shut down a Pokemon while stacking Spikes. Roserade can sponge a special hit or two as well thanks to its decent base 105 Special Defense and Grass / Poison typing, which offers handy resistances to Water-, Fighting-, Electric-, Grass-, and Fairy-(remove space)type moves.
However, there are several flaws that prevent Roserade from becoming OU's premier the hazard setter of choice. A 90 base sSpeed is lackluster for an offensive pPokemon, and it prevents Roserade from beating several pPokemon, such as Landorus-T and Manaphy. Roserade is also weak to some very common attacking types in the current OU metagame, such as Ice-, Fire-, and Flying- type moves. This issue is further worsened compounded by with Roserade's pitiful base 60 HP and base 65 dDefense, making it easy to OHKO with strong physical attacks which leaves you unable to stomach almost any STAB move hitting the physical side. Roserade also faces plenty of competition for the its role of laying hazards from pPokemon like such as Deoxys-D, Deoxy-S, and Klefki. Despite these flaws, Roserade's offensive presence, access to Sleep Powder, and ability to stack spikes SpikeStack make it a great pick for offensive teams.
Offensive Spikes
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(remove paragraph space)
name: Offensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Leaf Storm
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
ability: Technician
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 29 HP
nature: Timid
Moves
========
Spikes, (RC) is one of the main reasons to use Roserade is used, rackings up residual damage and punishinges any switch-inses. Sleep Powder is used to incapacitate a Pokemon for a majority of the match, and can be very useful in shutting down Pokemon that are difficult for your team to break or handle. Leaf Storm is Roserade's the strongest move in your arsenal, hitting doing big damage to any Pokemon that doesn't resist it extremely hard. Hidden Power Fire is there to mainly nails pPokemon looking to absorb the Sleep Powder or try to stomach a and take the Leaf Storm. The boost in power that Hidden Power Fire receives from Technician is extremely important. Without it, you do not OHKO Mega Scizor, Skarmory, Mega Mawile, Lucario, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, and Mega Pinsir or 2HKO Aegislash after Stealth Rocks. (mention this with Technician in Set Details) Sludge Bomb is an option over Hidden Power Fire, as it you can 2HKOes both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur, both of which are common pPokemon that commonly switch into Roserade try to absorb Sleep Powder. However, the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it. Giga Drain is a more consistent option over Leaf Storm, but the loss in power is very noticeable.
Set Details
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Maximum investment in Speed and Special Attack helps get down Spikes as fast as possible while giving Roserade the power needed to boosting Roserade's ability to hit switch-ins hard; Life Orb is the item of choice for this reason. Life Orb is the item of choice for reasons indicated above. Technician's boost to Hidden Power Fire is invaluable, and should always be used over Natural Cure. (Mention important targets here) Normally, Roserade has 261 HP, meaning that recoil from Life Orb is 26.1, which rounds down to 26. However, by reducing the IVs to 29, (RC) give Roserade's an HP stat of will be 259, meaning that Life Orb recoil will be 25.9, which rounds down to 25. Note that the number of IVs in HP does not affect the type of Hidden Power.
Usage Tips
========
The first objective when using Roserade is to cripple a Pokemon by putting it to sleep. If there is a Pokemon on the opponent's team that can absorb Sleep Powder, Roserade is better off setting Spikes or trying to nail the switch-in with powerful attacks. Roserade is a powerful but rather frail Pokemon that shouldn't be sacrificed early on, so only set up Spikes on predicted switches. Roserade should only be switched in only on into resisted special hits, (RC) it is frail otherwise. Leaf Storm should always be your main attacking option, and Hidden Power Fire should handle most Pokemon attempting to cushion the Leaf Storm. (redundant and doesn't belong in usage tips, emphasize these points more in Moves if you wish)
Team Options
========
A lot of Roserade's teammates will be offensive threats which offer good synergy and appreciate the residual damage from Spikes. Talonflame is one of these, and Roserade can beat Rotom-W for it. Keldeo applies much more pressure on its checks with the extra hazards. Rotom-W checks the Fire-type Pokemon that switch in on Roserade and grabs momentum with Volt Switch. A Defiant or Competitive user, like Bisharp, Thundurus, or Milotic, can switch in on a Defog attempt to remove Spikes and punish the opposing team with powerful boosted attacks. Heatran is one of the more defensive teammates, who can set Stealth Rocks on Talonflame and damage Grass-types with Lava Plume, while Roserade can set Spikes on bulky Water-type Pokemon. Skarmory can take on several pokemon that threaten Roserade, such as Mega Pinsir and Mamoswine, but be sure not to Defog away your own hazards.
Other Options
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A SpikeStacking set oriented more defensively is an option, but is is mostly outclassed by Chesnaught. Roserade isn't a great defensive pokemon and loses to several Defoggers, which is why defensive SpikeStacking is not advised on Roserade. Shadow Ball can offer powerful neutral coverage and hit Aegislash, but Aegislash is already hit by HP fire and Shadow Ball leaves you helpless against some Steel- type Pokemon. Roserade can use Aromatherapy and carry out SubSeed, but it is largely outclassed in these roles. A Double Powder set can be used to catch switch-ins off guard, but the loss of offensive coverage isn't worth it. A Choice Scarf set can revenge kill Pokemon like Greninja, Manaphy, and Mega Gyarados, but it is outclassed by several Pokemon as a user of Choice Scarf, such as Garchomp and Excadrill. Roserade also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but due to its general frailty Roserade isn't the best choice for a weather setter. Hidden Power Rock can be used to catch the usual Fire-type and some Dragon-type switch-ins off guard, but the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it.
Checks & Counters
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**Fire-types**
Strong Fire-type Pokemon, like Heatran, Talonflame, and the Mega Charizards have little trouble switching in and roasting Roserade with powerful attacks, although the latter two must be wary of Sludge Bomb or Hidden Power Rock.
**Strong Physical Attackers**: Roserade's physical defense is very low, so physical attackers like Dragonite, Excadrill, and Garchomp can easily 2HKO Roserade with almost any move.
**Special Walls and Assault Vest users**: Roserade cannot hope to dent special walls such as Chansey or Heatran, and Assault Vest users like Goodra and Conkeldurr can handle Roserade's attacks as well.
**Dragon-types**: Dragon-type Pokemon that resist Grass-, such as Latias, Latios, Dragonite, Kyurem-B, Goodra, and Mega Charizard-X can generally do a good job against Roserade, although they must be wary of a powerful Sludge Bomb.
**Powder-Immune Pokemon**: Mega Venusaur and Mandibuzz can absorb a Sleep Powder and sponge any other attacks Roserade can use, but both must watch out for Sludge Bomb, as both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur are 2HKO'd by it.
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Overview
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With colorful flowers as for hands, a heroic cape, and some really weird hair, Roserade plays a unique role in the OU tier: an offensive SpikeStacker Spiker. Access to Spikes and even Toxic Spikes along with a solid base 125 Special Attack stat allows Roserade to play this role effectively. Thanks to Roserade's ability Technician, this flower boasts access to a special move of any type it chooses with a solid 90 Base Power. Thanks to new breeding mechanics, the previously illegal combination of Sleep Powder and Spikes is now legal, letting Roserade shut down a Pokemon while stacking Spikes. Roserade can sponge a special hit or two as well thanks to its decent base 105 Special Defense and Grass / Poison typing, which offers handy resistances to Water-, Fighting-, Electric-, Grass-, and Fairy- type moves.
However, there are several flaws that prevent Roserade from being the hazard setter of choice. A 90 Base 90 Speed is lackluster for an offensive Pokemon, and it prevents Roserade from beating several pokemon, threats such as Landorus-T and Manaphy. Roserade is also weak to some very common attacking types in the current OU metagame, such as Ice, Fire, and Flying type moves. This issue is further worsened with Roserade's by its pitiful base 60 HP and base 65 Defense, which leaves you it unable to stomach almost any physical STAB move hitting the physical side. Roserade also faces plenty of competition for the role of laying hazards from Pokemon such as like Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, and Klefki. Despite these flaws, Roserade's offensive presence, access to Sleep Powder, and ability to SpikeStack stack Spikes make it a great pick for offensive teams.
Offensive Spikes
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name: Offensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Leaf Storm
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
ability: Technician
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 29 HP
nature: Timid
Moves
========
Spikes, one of the main reasons Roserade is used, racks up residual damage and punishes any switches. Sleep Powder is used to incapacitate a Pokemon for a majority of the match, (remove comma) and can be very useful in shutting down Pokemon that are difficult for your team to break or handle. Leaf Storm is the strongest move in your Roserade's arsenal, hitting any Pokemon that doesn't resist it extremely hard. Hidden Power Fire is there to mainly nail Pokemon looking to absorb the Sleep Powder or try and take the Leaf Storm. The boost in power that Hidden Power Fire receives from Technician is extremely important. Without it, you Roserade doesn't OHKO Mega Scizor, Skarmory, Mega Mawile, Lucario, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, and Mega Pinsir or 2HKO Aegislash after Stealth Rock. Sludge Bomb is an option over Hidden Power Fire, as you it can 2HKO both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur, both of which are common pokemon that try switch-ins to absorb Sleep Powder. However, the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it. Giga Drain is a more consistent option over Leaf Storm, but the loss in power is very noticeable.
Set Details
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Maximum investment in Speed and Special Attack helps get down Spikes as fast as possible while boosting Roserade's ability to hit switch-ins hard; Life Orb is the item of choice for this reason. Technician's boost to Hidden Power Fire is invaluable, and it should always be used over Natural Cure. Normally, Roserade has 261 HP, meaning that recoil from Life Orb is 26.1, which rounds down to 26. However, by reducing the IVs to 29, Roserade's HP will be 259, meaning that Life Orb recoil will be 25.9, which rounds down to 25. 29 HP IVs are used to minimize Life Orb recoil. (You don't need to explain all this) Note that the number of IVs in HP IVs does not affect the type of Hidden Power.
Usage Tips
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The first objective when using Roserade is to cripple a Pokemon by putting it to sleep. If there is a Pokemon on the opponent's team that can absorb Sleep Powder, Roserade is better off setting Spikes or trying to nail the switch-in with powerful attacks. Roserade is a powerful but rather frail Pokemon that shouldn't be sacrificed early on, so only set Spikes on predicted switches. Roserade It should be switched in only on resisted special hits, as it is frail otherwise. Leaf Storm should always be your Roserade's main attacking option, and Hidden Power Fire should handle most Pokemon attempting to cushion the Leaf Storm.
Team Options
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A lot of Roserade's best teammates will generally be offensive threats which that offer good synergy and appreciate the residual damage from Spikes. Talonflame is one of these, and Roserade can beat Rotom-W for it. Keldeo applies much more pressure on its checks with the extra hazards. Rotom-W checks the Fire-type Pokemon that switch in on Roserade and grabs momentum with Volt Switch. A Defiant or Competitive user, like Bisharp, Thundurus, or Milotic, can switch in on a Defog attempt to remove Spikes and punish the opposing team with powerful boosted attacks. Heatran is one of the a more defensive teammates, who that can set Stealth Rock on Talonflame and damage Grass-types with Lava Plume, while Roserade can set Spikes on bulky Water-type Pokemon. Skarmory can take on several Pokemon that threaten Roserade, such as Mega Pinsir and Mamoswine, but be sure not to Defog away your own hazards.
Other Options
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A SpikeStacking set oriented more defensively defensive Spikes-stacking set is an option, but this is mostly outclassed by Chesnaught, as Roserade doesn't have great bulk and loses to several Defog users. Roserade isn't a great defensive pokemon and loses to several Defoggers, which is why defensive SpikeStacking is not advised on Roserade. Shadow Ball can offer powerful neutral coverage and hit Aegislash, but Aegislash is already hit by Hidden Power Fire, and Shadow Ball leaves you Roserade helpless against some Steel-type Pokemon, notably Bisharp. Roserade can use Aromatherapy and carry out or even run a SubSeed set, but it is largely outclassed in these roles. A 'Double Powder' set can be used to catch switch-ins off-guard, but the loss of offensive coverage isn't worth it. A Choice Scarf set can revenge kill Pokemon like such as Greninja, Manaphy, and Mega Gyarados, but it is outclassed by several Pokemon as a user of Choice Scarf, such as Garchomp and Excadrill. Roserade also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but due to its general frailty, (add comma) Roserade it isn't the best choice for a weather setter. Hidden Power Rock can be used to catch the usual Fire-type and some Dragon-type switch-ins off guard, but the loss in coverage generally isn't worth it.
Checks & Counters
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**Fire-types** (fix spacing) Strong Fire-type Pokemon, like Heatran, Talonflame, and the Mega Charizard formes, have little trouble switching in and roasting Roserade with powerful attacks, although the latter two must be wary of Sludge Bomb or Hidden Power Rock.
**Strong Physical Attackers**: Roserade's physical Defense is very low, so physical attackers like such as Dragonite, Excadrill, and Garchomp can easily 2HKO Roserade it with almost any move.
**Special Walls and Assault Vest users**: Roserade cannot hope to dent special walls such as Chansey or Heatran, and Assault Vest users like Goodra and Conkeldurr can handle Roserade's attacks as well.
**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types Pokemon that resist Grass, such as Latias, Latios, Dragonite, Kyurem-B, Goodra, and Mega Charizard X, can generally do a good job against Roserade, although they must be wary of a powerful Sludge Bomb.
**Powder-Immune Pokemon**: Mega Venusaur and Mandibuzz can absorb a Sleep Powder and sponge any other attacks Roserade can use, but both must watch out for Sludge Bomb, which can 2HKO them as both Mandibuzz and Mega Venusaur are 2HKO'd by it.
Remember, 'you' refers to the user, not the Pokemon, so avoid phrases such as 'you can 2HKO Mandibuzz with Sludge Bomb.' This was also a little fluff-ridden in places (see my comment in Set Details), but you can improve on that with practice :) Good luck!
GP 1 / 2
Yeah, I had a bit of a "you" problem when I wrote this, but I'm getting better at avoiding that.
This has all been implemented, Thanks for the check! :]
Ok, I mentioned AV exca once more.
sorry, but I hadn't implemented Calm Pokemaster's check at the time, so yours is a bit invalid atm :/
I know. Just take what you can from it
All right, I implemented some of the check. Thanks!
Hi, I know that a lot of people have put time and effort into this analysis, and I and the others appreciate your work; this is about the Pokemon, not you.
Roserade stuggles a lot in OU. Unfortunately for it, it's somewhat slow, and quite frail, which makes it difficult to set up Spikes. It's extremely weak to priority, and a lot of common Defoggers threaten it. As an offensive Pokemon, it has many common checks and counters that don't mind Grass+Fire or Grass+Poison. There are stronger attackers, and it's an inferior Spikes user because it can't keep them up very well. Sleep Powder is nice, but there are common Pokemon that block it. This doesn't have many benefits over Deoxys-D, or even Greninja as a Spike user.
QC Rejected 1/3
Roserade stuggles a lot in OU. Unfortunately for it, it's somewhat slow, and quite frail, which makes it difficult to set up Spikes. It's extremely weak to priority, and a lot of common Defoggers threaten it. As an offensive Pokemon, it has many common checks and counters that don't mind Grass+Fire or Grass+Poison. There are stronger attackers, and it's an inferior Spikes user because it can't keep them up very well. Sleep Powder is nice, but there are common Pokemon that block it. This doesn't have many benefits over Deoxys-D, or even Greninja as a Spike user.
QC Rejected 1/3
Most of your post is accurate, but the part about common defoggers is wrong.
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 248 HP / 100 SpD Zapdos: 183-216 (47.7 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mandibuzz: 195-230 (45.9 - 54.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Zapdos Heat Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Roserade: 158-188 (60.3 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 97-115 (37 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
These common defoggers are the ones being threatened here, not the other way around.
Not to mention you can always save your sleep powder (not for mandi) if you have so much trouble with lati@s (easy AF to get rid of)
And speaking of lati@s
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 149-177 (49.3 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers
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No common defogger really even appreciates sludge bomb from roserade. It's strong enough to 2hko mega venu. So, you essentially 2hko every pokemon that can absorb sleep powder.
Saying it doesn't have many benefits over deo-d and ninja is sorta inaccurate :/ having access to a sleep-inducing move is a big deal, and it basically makes up for bad bulk and speed.
Not to mention that (while it's a hell lot weaker) Char-y has shown that fire/grass coverage ain't bad at all.
The shouldn't Sludge Bomb be in its analysis / main set?
I agree with you, though.
Yes, but Sludge Bomb isn't on the main set, and running Grass + Poison coverage has its own problems with all the Steel-types and such.
The issue with Roserade is that it's an inferior offensive Pokemon. Most special attackers are just plain better than it. Roserade's benefits lie in Sleep Powder and Spikes, and while Sleep Powder is nice, it's not enough, and Spikes are way easier to deal with than they used to be. It's not unusable, but it's not consistently successful against good opponents.
The issue with Roserade is that it's an inferior offensive Pokemon. Most special attackers are just plain better than it. Roserade's benefits lie in Sleep Powder and Spikes, and while Sleep Powder is nice, it's not enough, and Spikes are way easier to deal with than they used to be. It's not unusable, but it's not consistently successful against good opponents.
well it trades a lot of power, and a mega slot, but Venu in general is better.
Defensive Roserade is just outclassed by Amoonguss / Venu
Offensive Roserade is not strictly outclassed but its useful typing is kinda wasted on its frailty, and there's not that much reason to use it.
Defensive Roserade is just outclassed by Amoonguss / Venu
Offensive Roserade is not strictly outclassed but its useful typing is kinda wasted on its frailty, and there's not that much reason to use it.
i think this is bothering me much more than it should but you mention sludge bomb multiple times but don't slash it in the set. i use roserade a lot in UU and i know how good it can be.
slash sludge bomb
slash sludge bomb
The most success I've had is definitely with a Choice Scarf, as its speed is just too mediocre but it does have the power and move diversity to handle a lot of issues at once that a team might struggle with. Again, Leaf Storm with Scarf hits many fast threats for a good revenge kill like Keldeo, Terrakion, Greninja and +1 Mega Gyarados, as well as nuking slower threats like Hippowdon, Slowbro and Azumarill. Choice Scarf Leaf Storm, Sludge Bomb, Sleep Powder with Natural Cure gives you a revenge killer, status/Scald absorber and Sleep inducer all in one, with good surprise factor. This combination is Roserade's niche if you ask me. Mega Venu is bulkier and stronger but can't get rid of status or hold a scarf and takes your mega slot. Celebi has better bulk and support moves but worse typing. The last move can be Shadow Ball for Aegeslash, Gengar, Mew, Latios, Gothithelle and Alakazam. Dazzling Gleam for Garchomp, Dragonite, Latios, Conkeldurr and Mandibuzz if you prefer.
I dunno, I feel like the main problems with scarf roserade are that its a tad weak and that its STABs don't have great offensive coverage. It gets some nice coverage and can sort of act as a utility scarfer (natural cure is irrelevant as technician should be used for hidden power tho), but it just gives a "meh" feel.
Then again, roserade as a whole is sorta meh.
What does QC think on scarf rosey?
Then again, roserade as a whole is sorta meh.
What does QC think on scarf rosey?
Roserade is so horribly outclassed as a choice scarf user that I don't think it warrants a set at all. It is setup bait for a ridiculously long list of Pokemon (think Mega Charizard X, Mega Pinsir, Talonflame, Dragonite, etc.) and lacks the attributes that make other Pokemon usable with a Choice Scarf (e.g. the ability to revenge kill +1 boosted threats and good STAB coverage). If I were looking for a good revenge killer or cleaner on a team, I'd prefer to go for something like CS Garchomp or a Pokemon with strong priority); Roserade is just a poor option.
edit: err not qc but i wanted to give my opinion on this set anyway