I barely see either.I see plenty of Scizor and Skarmory.
Starting to see more Scizors though...
I barely see either.I see plenty of Scizor and Skarmory.
zuru does not NEED at least +2, you do not understand. it doesnt take him long to reach +2 because it gets a fucking moxie boost. can you understand that???????? why would you send in zuru and set up when you know that your opponent has a scizor remaining? that is just shitting playing on your part.i see a significant amount of both although skarmory is 2hkoed by fire fang anyway(scizor BP wont ohko mence btw). it can only stop mence for so long...unless of course your entire team is weak to skarm and let it keep rosting forever with no means to deal significant damage bar...fire fang but if that is the case then you probably sucks.
zuzu NEEDS at least +2. you are the one that doesnt understand this. he is just not good enough compared to the other DD users until he reach +2. great he can take -2 specs latios draco meteor although wont scizor BP(or breloom mach punch) ko him after you kill latios? scizor BP wont ko mence after -2 superpower from t-tar either.
you can reach +2 on latios -4 draco meteor but...you will have very little hp left.
i honestly think that you are just making up random bs if you think scizor is not commonlol what?
In case you haven't noticed,Scizor,Bronzong,and Skarmory are barely used anymore while Ferrothorn is all over the place.
Scrafty can set up on -2 Specs Latios' DM? Wonderful.
Salamence can set up T-tar's Superpower which if you haven't noticed,T-tar is one of the most used mons ATM T_T
Scrafty DOES need more than one boost to sweep because of his crappy 90 Attack while Mence only needs 1 DD to rip things apart.
Not saying Scrafty is bad,but IMO his DD set can't stand up to Mence's even with the almost unresisted STABs.
He's still not fast enough. Regardless of his attack, he needs +2 speed. You can say the same thing about Scizor with Salamence.zuru does not NEED at least +2, you do not understand. it doesnt take him long to reach +2 because it gets a fucking moxie boost. can you understand that???????? why would you send in zuru and set up when you know that your opponent has a scizor remaining? that is just shitting playing on your part.
zuru does not NEED at least +2, you do not understand. it doesnt take him long to reach +2 because it gets a fucking moxie boost. can you understand that???????? why would you send in zuru and set up when you know that your opponent has a scizor remaining? that is just shitting playing on your part.
cool so apparently winning with a 4% zuru isnt the same as a 100% zuru
i honestly think that you are just making up random bs if you think scizor is not common
salamence can set up on ttar's superpower, wonderful, in case you havent noticed, people dont run scarf ttar anymore and more are starting to run ice beam ATM T_T
zuru only needs to boost once until moxie kicks in do you understand????????
try using dd mence this gen and see how effective it is. the people in the mence analysis thread sure dont deem it as great as it once was, while the people in the zuru thread know dd is better than bulk up.
Wait wtf2."cool so apparently winning with a 4% zuru isnt the same as a 100% zuru
No. It's not. Because You just barely won.
Zuru can set up on CBTar's Pursuit yay3.If you haven't noticed,CB tar is the most common set.
+1 Scrafty always OHKOes the standard Ferrothorn with HJK, just fyi4.No,because it'll take an extremely weakened mon for a +1 Scrafty to kill it.
I.E. A Ferrothorn with like 40% HP.
1. You prefer being left with 4% or 100% after a sweep?Wait wtf
Zuru can set up on CBTar's Pursuit yay
+1 Scrafty always OHKOes the standard Ferrothorn with HJK, just fyi
i cant help but shake my headI can't help but laugh.
1.Scizor is not as common.
2."cool so apparently winning with a 4% zuru isnt the same as a 100% zuru
No. It's not. Because You just barely won.
3.If you haven't noticed,CB tar is the most common set.
4.No,because it'll take an extremely weakened mon for a +1 Scrafty to kill it.
I.E. A Ferrothorn with like 40% HP.
5.I'm using DD Mence. It's just fine.
please please please please please tell me what else it needs to outspeed than base 111s. please please please. starmie and azelf are virtually nonexistent please tell me why he needs +2 please please please. most scarfers are over base 100 speed anyway so it revenges mence too.He's still not fast enough. Regardless of his attack, he needs +2 speed. You can say the same thing about Scizor with Salamence.
1) In case you have not noticed, theres something called Rankurusu, very devastating sweeper indeed. And I bet you didnt know this either, but Scizor is one of very, VERY few Pokemon that can get in on Rankurusu and KO it with ease with a CB U-Turn. Not even that, but ive seen such a huge amount of SD Scizor that id probably go as far to say ive seen more SD Scizor in this stage of BW than in late DPP OU. Why? Nattorei, bulky Latias, CB Spiritomb (look how much Rankurusu makes us centralize, that fucker is broken), and many more common / antimetagame Pokemon existing. SD Scizor can get in on those and sweep a team with barely any problems if given the chance.1.Scizor is not as common.
2."cool so apparently winning with a 4% zuru isnt the same as a 100% zuru
No. It's not. Because You just barely won.
3.If you haven't noticed,CB tar is the most common set.
4.No,because it'll take an extremely weakened mon for a +1 Scrafty to kill it.
I.E. A Ferrothorn with like 40% HP.
5.I'm using DD Mence. It's just fine.
People have responded to this but I just cannot stop myself from responding too.
1) In case you have not noticed, theres something called Rankurusu, very devastating sweeper indeed. And I bet you didnt know this either, but Scizor is one of very, VERY few Pokemon that can get in on Rankurusu and KO it with ease with a CB U-Turn. Not even that, but ive seen such a huge amount of SD Scizor that id probably go as far to say ive seen more SD Scizor in this stage of BW than in late DPP OU. Why? Nattorei, bulky Latias, CB Spiritomb (look how much Rankurusu makes us centralize, that fucker is broken), and many more common / antimetagame Pokemon existing. SD Scizor can get in on those and sweep a team with barely any problems if given the chance.
2) This is probably the most stupid, clueless, ignorant, stupid and stupid line ive seen in a good while. And ive seen the CK quote in the database so believe me when I say ive seen a lot of stupid Pokemon related stuff. Damn I was redundant there, who cares though.
3) Do you realize that by saying "CB Tar is the most common set" not only you are probably basing it out of nowhere as, again, ive seen way more special ice beam / fire move tyranitars than CB, but also are making the point that Zuru is a better sweeper stronger? Crunch, Pursuit, Stone Edge, Zuruzukin can set up on those. Mence can set up on Superpower OR Earthquake. Now tell me who sets up better in CB Tar.
4) lol. Do you even know the basic type chart? Steel = Weak to Fighting, bro.
5) It may be fine, but seriously youre not helping your case. at. all.
1. they both are all over the place, you must just have seizures every time you see scizor to not notice it1.Reuniclus isn't broken. Learn to play around him.
Maybe it's just me,but I see Scizor MAYBE once every 10 battles.
T-tar on the other hand,is all over the place.
2.Meh,it doesn't really matter,but it might be better to finish with as much HP,right?
3.He used T-tar as an example. I only said Mence can set up on Superpower.
Mence can set up on other things too.
CB Tar IS one of the most common sets. It dents everything with insanely powerful attacks and it's all over the damn place.
4. Again,just a quick example. Can Scrafty really OHKO that many things with his STABs at +1?
5. How? He said Mence was kinda crappy this gen and I said it's fine. That's it.
FYI,I'm not saying Scrafty is crappy. All I'm saying is that his DD set is out classed by other things that only need ONE single boost to hit hard and not get out sped by every single scarfer in existence.
1.I personally don't see many Scizors.1. they both are all over the place, you must just have seizures every time you see scizor to not notice it
2. only a shitty player would care
3. umm ok???? zuru can set up on other things too? you sir, are a master in the art of noticing...congrats
cb tar is not the most common set, mixtar with sr clearly is. zuru still sets up on cbtar much easier than mence does anyway
4. yes
5. you saying something is effective is like slandering said pokemon. thats how dumb your arguments are
it only needs 1 boost because it has moxie... it doesnt matter if it gets outsped by scarfskuntank since the only real common scarfers this gen are +100 base speed so they outspeed mence anyway
1. play more1.I personally don't see many Scizors.
2.It was a stupid comparison to begin with.(The one with the 4% HP and 100% HP crap)
3.I don't understand what you want me to say. They both can set up on stuff....Scrafty can set up on Dark,Ghost,Psychic,and Rock attacks while Mence can set up on Electric,Water,Grass,Fire,Fighting,and Bug attacks.
I find it easier to set up Mence,personally.
CB Tar IS one of the most common sets >.>
At least that's how I find it. Are you playing on Smogon's server or on PO's server?
4.Kay.
5.It needs more than 1 boost because of its mediocre attack and slow-ass speed.
Moxie wont help if you can't kill something and in-turn get crippled.
1.I play a lot,and I barely seem them. It's not really my fault,is it?1. play more
2. no it wasnt, youre just an idiot who cares that he won with a 4% pokemon instead of 100%. i wouldnt be surprised if you choked away like 100 games in 1000 trying to go for a 6-0 only to get fucked by being stupid.
3. ...........
look at a fucking type chart ok??????
cb tar is not as common as mixsr, i obviously play on smogon server, not that hard to tell with a check by my name, man you really need eye surgery if you cant look at and memorize type charts and miss obvious clues
4. yep
5. ok really the only thing it doesnt kill at +1 are like bulky walls like hippo/skarm, who mence struggles with anyway. tell me, what on earth can cripple zuru. burun? mew? come on be practical
biggest thing:
learn the fucking type charts
1. ok1.I play a lot,and I barely seem them. It's not really my fault,is it?
2.It was a stupid comparison.
3......CB tar is the one I see the most. Is all.
What did I get wrong with the types?
Dark/Fighting resists: Dark,Ghost,Psychic,and Rock
Dark/Fighting is weak to: Fighting,Flying
Dragon/Flying resists: Fire,Electric,Grass,Water,Bug,and Fighting
Dragon/Flying is weak to: Dragon,Ice,and Rock
What exactly did I get wrong?
4.Kay.
5.What can cripple him? Thunder Wave,Toxic,WoW,any strong Fighting move,etc. Come on,be practical.
Biggest thing:
Learn the type charts and stop cursing every two sentences.
All your credibility, if you even had ANY left, has gone by that statement. I recommend you stop posting here until you get a slight clue of what you're saying. Also use a space after a fucking comma jesus christ.Dragon/Flying resists: Fire,Electric,Grass,Water,Bug,and Fighting
Since I cannot stand you anymore, im going to go ahead and post a list of the most common Pokemons in the metagame off the top of my head.5.What can cripple him? Thunder Wave,Toxic,WoW,any strong Fighting move,etc. Come on,be practical.
So...a single mistake...makes me lose my credibility?All your credibility, if you even had ANY left, has gone by that statement. I recommend you stop posting here until you get a slight clue of what you're saying. Also use a space after a fucking comma jesus christ.
So just stop posting. Oh and learn the fucking type chart.
It is a horrible mistake when someone points it out to you, then you continue to miss it and act cocky.So...a single mistake...makes me lose my credibility?
He's neutral to it,wow. What a freaking horrible mistake,right?
All my respect for you is lost.
Also, start using the damn commas.
I'm convinced by the calculations then.
He can deal with most mons thanks to his STABs,freaking wonderful.
He still kinda needs 2 DDs for that god awful speed,but the calcs don't lie.
Btw,cursing is just unnecessary and makes you look more like an ass.
I've tried both the BU set and the DD set.
I just hate both of them.
BU set gets crippled by everything since he can't take any strong hit and needs multiple BUs to dent anything while the DD set,although not as bad IMO,still just seems to die too easily.
So now pokemon can magically avoid all attacks?Dragon Dance dies more easily yes, but your opponent shouldn't be able to hit it in the first place if you know how to play the game.