I feel like I get dumber everytime I respond to you. Curselax is atrocious offense (ever try it vs a stall?), but he's pretty good defense. Of course, when comparing it to your team, it's probably beats you from turn 1. But then again, your entire team can be labeled as "bad offense", or "bad defense", whichever you prefer (why else did you lose to a pretty basic stall in one of the least amusing games ever? You outplayed Sk, no doubt, but that's not to say you played great either. You played pretty questionable as well. However, you didn't lose to luck, you lost because of an inferior team and a lack of strategy/understanding for the game. I have the log if you want me to break it down and teach you a thing or two). You're free to run hypnosis on gengar to get away from ttar, and many do, I don't know why you're disparagingly dismissing it. Gengar makes a great ptrapper, a better one than missy, and you've got this right the first time: because of the element of surprise. And just an FYI, because it's relying on the surprise factor, you can get away with not using Protect most of the time. Boltbeam to disguise it as standard Gengar works, dbond works as well, it's completely up to you. If you feel like you're keeping Snorlax in against a DPing ttar, that's your play. Of course, if and when it does hits, what do you do? Cry about luck. Whatever, that's your play. That's your mistake. You're an inferior player for a reason. Especially when a million things could switch into a predicted DP pretty easily, and a DP hit on Snorlax compromises Snorlax's usefulness quite a bit (e.g. no longer walling Thunder Zapdos). It is. Crunch/FB + Pursuit is for Egg, as much as it is for Gengar. No one but you is disagreeing. Wonder why. Egg is a top 5 pokemon, why wouldn't you counter it? Oh wait, you use zam. Get with the times. This is two cursed DEs from Snorlax, two unboosted RSes from Wak, this is a little over 1 stoss from hera, what's so rare about a Skarm being <180 again? How many DPs would it take to bring Skarm to <180? Factoring in accuracy, 4, factoring in prediction, probably all 8. How many S-tosses? 2. Why? Again, you're switching out vs Skarm, most likely to Zapdos/Raikou or something, regardless of DP hit or miss, unless you're risking the 25/75, and you can't possibly be that dense. Furthermore, DP statistically can never kill Skarm (nor Zapdos/Dnite, but that's another story). And there's a pretty bad inconsistency in arguments here. Seems you're disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me (which is dumb, because you can't back half the bullshit you're spewing). Skarm doesn't need to rest off damage, you're crazy. It can take another 3 DPs, which would take another 6 DP PPs combined with proper prediction. In that time, Stoss would've caused Skarm to rest twice already. First you call ttar DPing a Snorlax a bad move even though it would completely cripple it, but DPing Skarm with Hera isn't? And risk what essentially is a 25/75 against you? ML + BP + CR umbreon is broke. Smogon banned hypnomissy on an account of "only luck beats it". What beats confusion + trappass? Luck. I've made over a thousand teams easily (invented a few movesets, puts vaporeon on the map, and pioneered/popularized the primary offensive strategy you see today in bait-explosion), you've tried maybe 6-7 pokemon. You have one team, a pretty bad one for christ's sake. The only thing you did was opened my eyes to was how good a 3 attack cursechamp could be. I'll give you that. But you're not in a position to teach anybody anything. God knows why you went 6-2, ask your opponents, cause I sure as hell don't know. We can play if you like, I'll just use curselax. Better watch out, some amazing offense coming your way. Rules are: can't use what you're learning from this post (that your team is essentially an explosion team with down syndrome). Stick to your team and your argument, I'll tell you mine to make things even. Feel helpless; live, learn, laugh. EDIT: I remember you mentioning a log with vil, and blaming the loss on luck. Care to post that? If it's anything like the useless luck Sk handed you, then I ask very kindly, get off your high horse and return to reality. You're undeservingly stubborn, and a mediocre player with a subpar team at best (and have been nothing more than mediocre your entire "career") until you start to accept some criticism.