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Announcement Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: November 2015

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Nov 3, 2015.

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  1. The Idealistic

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    Not sure if this is the right place to ask this kind of question, but will the base forms of ORAS Megas (that jumped multiple tiers solely because of their Mega form) be instantly quick-dropped to their original tiers should the Tier Leaders form a consensus on changing the tiering policy in December 2015?

    Such as:

    Base forms of Altaria and Lopunny from OU to PU
    Base form Sceptile from UU to NU
    Base form Beedrill from UU to FU
    Base forms of Camerupt and Glailie from RU to PU

    This special condition wouldn't specifically apply to the base forms of ORAS Megas that only jumped one tier due to their Megas, because they should drop to their original tiers again once this policy change takes place at the start of December. (such as base forms of Metagross and Sableye from OU to UU, base form Sharpedo from UU to RU, base form Steelix from RU to NU, base form Audino from NU to PU)
  2. Da Pizza Man

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    Thats pretty much what is going to happen
  3. Funbot28

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    So, is there any quick rises/drops happening in December besides the seperate tiering of Megas and their base forms?
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  4. Da Pizza Man

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    No idea, only time will tell on those rises/drops.

    Only one I can probably think of atm is Goth quickrising from PU to OU
  5. Mega-Pokebattlerz

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    Yeah, of course it'll quick-rise. GothStall is really common in OU atm, so I'd be surprised if it didn't rise.
  6. Aberforth

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    So how long until I get to play with Alakazam in UU?
  7. Nightingales

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    Well, it's December now. So should be soon.

    This is gonna be a beautiful chaos.
  8. Funbot28

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    Ya Mega Charizard Y and Mega Gyrados in UU will be pretty crazy for 0.5 seconds......
  9. SketchUp

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    Char Y won't drop, only regular zard will. Also, I'm pretty sure the cutoff is at 1,7% for the first month after the big tier update, not 3,4%
  10. Tymano

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    Although UU will get gross and sableye, which should be pretty cool.
  11. Nightingales

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    I think Zard Y was within the cutoff, but I'm just going off the sim's dropping thing in the teambuilder.

    We need Raikou to deal with these new threats.
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  12. Funbot28

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    But Char-Y is in the (OU by mega and non-mega usage) in teambuilder and I think they are just quick-dropping all of the mons to the tiers they should be in.
  13. Joe Career

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    >all these ridiculous drops
    >still no conk nor sylveon in UU
    it would actually be kinda funny tbqh
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  14. Talpr0ne

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    I think they're going to do just quickdrops by the 1.67% cutoff. So definitely not Alakazam, nor Gyarados. Stuff like Sableye, Metagross or Sharpedo might not drop either. Still, what's not dropping now is going to do so in the next two months anyway, so don't worry.

    A side note, Mega Charizard Y, whenever it drops, is going to be automatically BL, since Drought is a banned ability in UU.
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  15. Tymano

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    Meta and Sharp might stay in their upper tiers, but since when has regular sab been good enough to warrant greater than 1.67% usage.
  16. Mistress Remilia

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    Uuuuuuh hell no Reg Sableye is close to worthless in OU.
    If it is saved by anyone, that's the lower ladder that didn't evolve from XY OU.
  17. Tymano

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    You didn't really get my post.

    What I was trying to say was that Sableye was never good enough to warrant greater than 1.67% usage
  18. Mistress Remilia

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    Oh, my apologies then.
    Anyway, in order to make this post not as useless as it is with just excuses:
    I'm really excited for the " return " of some pokemons in their OG tier, most notably Sharpedo in RU: Sharpedo was a really strong threat back then, and he'll prob be one once again.
  19. Talpr0ne

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    Never said it's good, but you know, usage is different than viability. Anyway, it looks like I overstimated its usage, since it was around 0,6% in October and I doubt an huge spike in usage happened. It looks like Metagross and Sharpedo are low enough too(both around 0.8%).
  20. Darvin

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    I ran through the November stats and looked for which forms were below the quick-drop cut-off if mega and non-mega were tiered separately. Most of these are just eye-balled, but I've included numbers for anything that might be controversial or close to the cutoff. I'm also presuming that pokemon that the likes of Pinsir will return to the tiers their non-mega form were in prior to rising. With those presumptions, these are the drops to expect:

    Altaria to PU
    Charizard to UU
    Diancie to UU
    Gardevoir to UU
    Lopunny to PU
    Manectric to UU
    Medicham to RU
    Metagross to UU (7.2% usage * 11.3% non-mega form = 0.8% usage)
    Pinsir to NU
    Sableye to UU (6% usage * 10.7% non-mega form = 0.6% usage)
    Venusaur to UU

    Absol to RU
    Aerodactyl to RU (12.4% usage * 8.7% non-mega form = 1.1% usage)
    Aggron to RU (6.4% usage * 9.3% non-mega form = 0.6% usage)
    Ampharos to RU
    Beedrill to PU
    Blastoise to RU (12.2% usage * 7.6% non-mega form = 0.9% usage)
    Sceptile to NU
    Sharpedo to RU (8% usage * 9.5% non-mega form = 0.7% usage)

    Banette to NU
    Camerupt to PU
    Glalie to PU
    Steelix to NU

    Audino to PU

    Abomasnow is omitted intentionally because it only just fell to RU and there are no recent stats for it (though I think it's a pretty safe bet it'll fall to NU). Alakazam and Gyarados are the only borderline cases. Alakazam and Mega Alakazam are outside of quick-drop range and will only fall in a full tier shift. Gyarados and Mega Gyarados are close enough that quick-drop is possible, but it's more likely they'll have to wait for a full tier shift to drop. Everything else is either in obvious quick-drop territory or isn't going to drop at all.
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  21. Firebird101

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    Sigh, it seems that the UnderUsed champion Blastoise is gonna leave the tier for the very first time :(
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  22. Ping_Pong_Along

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    Not necessarily. Regular Abomasnow has been seeing some usage. The much better speed along with not taking up a mega slot has been pretty sweet for it. I wouldn't be surprised if it drops at the next major tier shift, but it's not a foregone conclusion that it'll quickdrop next month.
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  23. Magnemite

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    Blastoise was RU at the start of BW
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  24. Flare Blitzle

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    Is there any reason why a tier shift using the usual 3.4% cutoff can't (or shouldn't) be done for this month? A new system is being implemented and the lower tiers are going to be in a bit of turmoil from all the drops that are pretty certain to happen anyway. Then next month just go back to the usual routine with cutoffs.

    If there's a reason it shouldnt then I'll take you words for it because I know you all understand the system better than I do but figured I'd ask anyway.
  25. Da Pizza Man

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    We shouldn't because the tiers are already going to be changing enough as it is, so it would be best if we try to ease the shift more (Also it fucks up the 3 month pattern)
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