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SPOILERS! Sun / Moon In-Game Tier List

Discussion in 'Sun and Moon' started by Colonel M, Nov 26, 2016.

  1. Paddywagon Man

    Paddywagon Man

    Jul 26, 2016
    I doubt the shifts will really be that pronounced - Abra and Cubone may go up a tier, but the rest is just Battle Spot stuff. And Abra was doing pretty well already.
  2. Lucchini


    May 6, 2011
    Is Cubone really affected by it though?
  3. DHR-107

    DHR-107 Robot from the Future
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    Dec 26, 2008
    Cubone shouldn't be affected by it. Unless they outright change the level that Shadow Bone is learnt by Marowak. The problem there is Marowak learns it a level before Cubone can evolve. Shadow Bone is 27, while Cubone evolves at 28. Unless they marry them up, theres no way for Marowak to learn the move without a Heart Scale.

    Which is stupid as all fuck and whoever decided that should be fired. If someone can check this though it would be ace :)
    Colonel M, Taistelu, CTNC and 2 others like this.
  4. TheTraininator


    Jun 22, 2011
    Given the advent of 1.1, I actually would suggest that the Pokemon that get affected by it should have both a 1.0 rank and a 1.1 rank. I know that sounds a bit silly, but given the fact that a lot of people probably intend to use this thread as a resource, I think that doing so would be the most useful for newcomers while also serving as a reminder for Abra users to update their game. Plus, it's not like it's impossible for people to play through the main story without updating, as the update is only required to go online.
  5. Codraroll

    Codraroll Cod Mod
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    Nov 6, 2011
    Nah, it would be sufficient to put a text (disclaimer/warning?) in the OP that all tiers are relevant as of update 1.1. If people are savvy enough to find this thread and use for reference, they should have no problems updating their Pokémon games.
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  6. Paddywagon Man

    Paddywagon Man

    Jul 26, 2016
    I know in most of the old in-game tier list we gave each pokemon a small write-up. Don't know if we'll ever get to that, but if we could just put details like update requirements, Island Scanning or Poke Pelago in the writeups it could make tiering less complicated.
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  7. R_N

    is a Forum Moderator Alumnus

    Feb 21, 2010
    What is the point of this, exactly

    The game actively yells at you to update and gives a direct option to update right then and there. And there's no reason not to? Unless they drastically changed a laundry list of pokemon between 1.0 & 1.1 there is no ~efficiency~ reason to NOT update. The only way 1.0 Abra is relevant is a scenario where you just got the game and suddenly can not update conenct to any wifi hotspot for the 2 minutes it takes to download the update at any point while you want to do your run. Which is, let's say, probably not the big case study here.

    e: Case study what am I even talking about
    Not the most wide spread scenario
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017 at 11:01 PM
  8. Antihaxxer


    Jun 26, 2012
    No double rank ... The only impacted Pokemon is Abra, and it gets better, so no need to have double rank
  9. Taistelu

    Taistelu formerly BladePrincess

    Jul 13, 2015
    Pichu is practically dead weight outside of Charm I guess. It's a pain to evolve (Refresh does affection, not friendship) and even with Soothe Bell it's not efficient. You also have to get a 5% chance of catching it. Not only did they make this Pokemon rare, but a pain to evolve too.

    Pikachu isn't much better. You'll probably be evolving it after Level 13 (unless you go out of your way to evolve it, which should count against it more than it should count for it) in which case you're stuck with Thundershock, and Electro Ball isn't that good. You have to wait until Konikoni to evolve Pikachu, which is quite late for such a terrible Pokemon. Not to mention Pikachu still has the bulk of a wet paper bag. Pichu/Pikachu don't have many great matchups either.

    Gumshoos/Raticate-A: Too frail
    Hau: He gets an early Pikachu when you're most likely a Pichu. Neutral Match Up VS Rowlet/Litten, good against Popillio
    Hala: Too frail (Charm can be useful but Pichu still gets 2HKOed, it has one of the worst Physical bulks in the game, Pikachu is better if you have it but still frail)
    Washi: Actually a good match-up, especially if you have Electro Ball
    Salazzle: Again, too frail
    Lurantis: Too frail, Solar Blade rips you to shreds

    Simply put, Pichu/Pikachu requiring a lot of babying and drag down the viability (only really good against 1 major battle), but Raichu-A is pretty good, at least. That's why it's current placement is fine, I think.

    Also "everything is slow" is a little overhyped, there's more than just Alola Pokemon you know.
  10. Colonel M

    Colonel M Bolt Axe Goddess
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    Aug 5, 2007
    Only ranking with current patch.

    With that said I dont think I raised Butterfree last time even though I meant to. Kadabra will also rise freely with the fix. I will raise it a tier for now.

    I'll do updates later today. Got rather swamped in the competitive mons.
  11. Armorchompy


    Dec 6, 2016
    I believe Mudsdale should go up. Bray is pretty good, and gets Horsepower pretty soon. Double Kick and Heavy Slam are good coverage, and Stamina is awesome against physical attackers. if you can tank it once, you can use potions to stall easily. Let's see the matchups:

    Wishiwashi - no. Although you can outspeed It.

    Gladion - DKick hits Null kinda hard, although the ZMove is wasted on It.

    Salazzle - ez oneshot gg lol xd. Can tank both of her attacks even with a -SpD nature.

    Lurantis - no. But again, that Lurantis kills half the game.

    Plumeria (i dont really remember where she is): SALANDIT

    Olivia - Pretty useful, although not an easy win.

    UB 01 - gg ez $$ roflmao. Same as Salazzle.

    Vikavolt - can tank everything thrown at him and Rock Tomb does serious damage. Rockinium Z is Easy Money.

    Mimikyu - Heavy Slam. Z-move to overkill.

    Ya boi - Can tank Shell slash and outspeeds. Rock tomb for bit of them

    Nanu - DKick

    Faba - nor great nor bad.

    Destruction in human form - Pretty much the same.

    Lusamine - Decent against Bewear and HSlam flattens Clefable. Coincidentially, they're her best mons.

    Hapu - Decent

    Kommo-o - Decent

    Lusalego - Same as before.

    Gladion - Weavile (DKick) Lucario (Quake) Crobat (RTomb ) Can be killed easily, but it can only take on Fire Silva.

    Hau (All battles) Raichu dies a hopeless death.

    Hala - Needs some healing to get the Def Boosts, but can Sweep

    Olivia - rock

    GhostGirlICantRememberTheNameOf - Gengar is dead if It doesnt kill you first.

    OtherGirlNobodyCaresAbout - RTomb may help.

    Kukui - Incenaroar, Lycanroc and Snorlax are killed by CCombat. Magnezone... well.

    Mudsdale is one of the best pokes ingame and one of the coolest. A tier imo.

    As for catching, great against physical attackers and Xurkitree.

    (This is also my first post!)
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2017 at 9:20 AM
  12. Armorchompy


    Dec 6, 2016
    I think I'll double post (sorry) to give my two cents about my team.

    Decidueye - Upper mid. Good learnset, Sucker Punch screws would-be counters. Kinda boring mid-game, but has it's uses.

    WishiWashi - Top. Nukes hard, "evolves" early and Scald makes it great. Plus, it was always the highest leveled member of my team, thanks to its fast exp. growth.

    Muk - High. It did take a lot to evolve, but it's good goverage + black sludge/eviolite made him useful for all the game. It also helped me by toxicing Lurantis with Poison Fang.

    Mudsdale - High/Top. Need i talk about it agains?

    Ribombee - Upper Mid. Outsped everything, nice coverage, but, even with a SpA boosting nature, often missed on the kill.

    Snorlax - High/Top. Brick Break murders the first trial in Moon and helps in Sun. Mine evolved in the Diglett Cave, and murdered half the game. MVP in the E4, BBreak GImpact HHorsepower Crunch coverage is crazy, although it's useless against Hala.

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