Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
approved by Arcticblast
Introduction:So, while looking around in the other metas forums, I noticed one thing about all OMs: They have a very short life span. Some are exceptions like STABmons who had like, an 8 month popularity super span. However, for most like tier shift, Slowmons, Suicide Cup, etc. They die very quickly unless someone discovers a new metagame changing set, a new gen or move tutor++ DLC "XY2" kind of game comes out or there is a new event. So basically, unless something new gets added to the mix, we feel a certain, well, staleness, and this is especially true with OMs because we come from OU, UU etc where we know how to play it well, we know the top mons, we know how to peak the ladder, etc. but it's too repetitive for us, so when we get the same feeling from OMs, we just try to switch to the next one in order to avoid the staleness, it's like akwardly running out of things to talk about. BH avoids this because nobody can or will explore every single GOOD combo before somebody finds a new counter to the top pokemon making that counter the top pokemon, then making the meta about beating the top pokemon and the cycle repeats, BH is an endless cycle of freshness and miraculously avoids staleness due to that. So what if another metagame could very well avoid that staleness but not by infinite loops of creativity(well kind of) but by not being a constant, stale, metagame where nothing is changed, so I introduce you -
[INTRODUCTION] Test Subject (1): Welcome to the Lab
Welcome to test subject! Test Subject is an other metagames sub forum experiment as one might say. Basically, what test subject is is a tier where a community of us OM players decided to be the "professors" aka the council take 1-3 mechanic, pokemon, item, move, ability(s), really anything from one gen and put it in another gen. For example: Gen 2 Rest-Sleep Talk mechanics in Gen 6! Or Mega Gengar in ADV, or even A trio or duo of things like Goodra and Heliolisk in gen 5 with a weather themed test subject!
Current professors
- OiawesomeDG
- Arhops
- Asterat
- AWailOfATail
- Keep it Playful
- Kit Kasai
- Leafshield
- Pikachuun
- simsims2800
- The Reptile
- We cannot currently move a mechanic from a later gen to gen 1 or 2 due to EV mechanics on Pokemon Showdown
- We will vote on 1-3 Test Subjects per week
- Nomination period lasts 2 days, Voting Lasts 1-2 Days and Play Testing and Discussion Lasts anywhere from 3 to 4 days
- I'll start the opening of nominations for the council every Saturday and voting will start mondays, if I don't start it by 7:00 PM Pacific Time GMT -8 I'll leave it to Pikachuun to start the voting for me
Every test subject will have a new "opening" post like this as well with a title and list of our findings On the saturday of voting, we can also talk on if it's
- Too Good - Broken
- Great - Top meta threat
- Good
- Balanced - Like B rank viability rankings
- Not Good
- A Failure / Bad
Anyways our current test subject is:
If everybody who wants to nominate/vote does nominate/vote already or I decide to end it early, then we can start the next round of test subject faster than usual!Test Subject (3): 3Spooky5You
Hello people it's been long past the appropriate amount of time, and in order to progress this, I have decided on the next test subject:
Aegislash in BW OU(has stance change too)
Have fun
- Good conversation piece:
- How well does Aegislash fair in the metagame of BW OU?
- In what archetypes is it most effective on?
- Is it effective at all? YES LOL ITS AEGIS
- What common threats does it effectively block?
- How does the gen 5 typechart help it or hurt it?
- Will it make weatherless more effective or sun more anti meta?
- How does it fair in the viability ranks?
- Does it make the metagame unhealthy?
Playability: none for now, but will be in a while
- Archived Subjects so far
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Mega Gengar in ADV
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What about something like this?
Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Fire Punch
- Protect
On Turn 1, you set up a Protect and Mega Evolve. The opponent may try to kill Gengar before it Mega Evolves, and this stops them from doing so. Alternatively, if the opponent switches to something else, this gives Gengar the opportunity to switch as well, on Turn 2. Otherwise, the opponent is now trapped by Shadow Tag. At that point, the only things that will outspeed Gengar are Ninjask and Electrode, with it speed-tying Jolteon, Crobat, and Aerodactyl (the latter two of which have access to Pursuit, but with such low Special Attack, it shouldn't matter, even Crobat, with higher Special Attack, typically doesn't carry any SpAtk investment, so it will only do 36.2 - 42.7% to Mega Gengar). From there, Gengar becomes a special sweeper with Thunderbolt and Psychic being its two most powerful special-based moves. This combo is resisted only by Magneton, Exeggutor, and Celebi, so Fire Punch was an obvious choice for the final move. Psychic is also good for taking out opposing Mega Gengars, because bear in mind that in ADV, Shadow Tag doesn't let you switch out, even if you also have Shadow Tag. In Ubers, however, Gengar's greatest enemy is Deoxys, who outspeeds it in all forms (save Deoxys-D) and can hit it with a strong Shadow Ball or Pursuit. Of course, in Ubers, Gengar can just carry around Perish Song+Protect+Substitute.
Edit: I just made a team, so I'll be on the server if anyone wants to play.sorry for double
Damn, a good post, shouldn't have expected any less from such a competitive Old gens player such as yourself, MDragon :]. ANyways, remember, it has to spend a turn Mega Evolving which is the main problem, the speed doesn't take effect and the trapping doesn't really take effect until next turn. This means CB Aero can EQ it before it Tbolt kills you. Also, this means regular Gar can switch into EQ due to levitate, and THEN M-evo to handle the threats.
So I've come up with this set so far:
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Ability: Levitate => Shadow Tag
EVs: 224 HP / 32 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
Substitute / Protect / Taunt | Disable | Will-O-Wisp | Thunderbolt or Ice Punch
So yeah, stallbreaker and sweeper handler. TormentProtect or Disable + WoW beats both DDTar and DDMence since you burn and disable their EQs. 224 HP EVs survive a +2 rock slide or +2 HP Flying from mence and ttar respectively with over 30% health remaining. More details later, but I think you get the jist.
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