<bugmaniacbob> true charizard counter - mono-fairy + flash fire?
<Yilx> hmm probably
<FMD> Maybe.
<Yilx> it needs proper defenses too
<BaseSpeed> Perhaps we should make a CAP for it :P
<Yilx> but that sounds about right
<FMD> We could play around with it a lot.
<Looking4Godot> it also needs something that allows him to sacre out charizard
<Looking4Godot> scare*
<FMD> Rock type moves could do that easily if Charizard's damage was absorbed enough.
<bugmaniacbob> do you wanna make a flash cap~
<FMD> Sounds good to me.
<BaseSpeed> "Fuck Charizard": The Flash Cap?
<bugmaniacbob> more or less
<BaseSpeed> Well it's the shortest concept submission I've ever seen
<bugmaniacbob> ok everyone suggest a typing
<BaseSpeed> Could be amusing if enough people are up for it
<Looking4Godot> monofairy imo
<bugmaniacbob> any other suggestiong?
<bugmaniacbob> ok
<BaseSpeed> Gimme a second to see if I can come up with another type that can deal with all Zard moves?
<bugmaniacbob> all right, take your time
<FMD> Fairy/Flying
<bugmaniacbob> ew SR weak
<FMD> Added benefit of EQ immunity
<bugmaniacbob> zard can use stone edge can't it
<FMD> True... :/
<bugmaniacbob> oh no my mistake
<bugmaniacbob> just rock slide
<Looking4Godot> well
<Looking4Godot> iron tail too
<FMD> Are we kind of already assuming Flash Fire?
<bugmaniacbob> well
<bugmaniacbob> do you have an alternative?
<FMD> I was just seeing if a type that's weak to Fire could still be a good idea.
<bugmaniacbob> most types weak to fire have terrible defensive qualities
<bugmaniacbob> bug, grass, ice etc
<bugmaniacbob> and steel makes us eq weak
<BaseSpeed> What about Steel/Flying?
<FMD> That's what I was thinking.
<bugmaniacbob> that's an idea
<Yilx> steel/flying with flash fire
<Looking4Godot> needs a great deal of special defense for focus blast
<Yilx> is probably
<Yilx> the best zard switch-in
<Yilx> nah
<Yilx> i think it needs more phydef
<Yilx> to take
<Yilx> dragon claws/outrages
<FMD> Steel/Flying Flash Fire is great against both.
<Yilx> focus blast can be mitigate
<Yilx> because it is inaccurate as fuck
<Looking4Godot> hm
<Yilx> and zard
<Yilx> will not launch focus blast
<Looking4Godot> well that's true
<Yilx> right off the bat
<Yilx> probably
<Yilx> and no stab
<Looking4Godot> but outrage traps you and it's kinda rare
<Yilx> well
<Yilx> zard-x usually opens with
<Yilx> dd
<bugmaniacbob> but but but /cawmodore/
<Yilx> or roost if it eats
<Yilx> sr damage
<Yilx> sometimes dclaw
<Yilx> or just flare litz
<Looking4Godot> aye
<Yilx> -y opens with
<Yilx> solarbeam
<Yilx> or fireblast
<Yilx> unless they get ballsy
<Yilx> but if i were using a zard-y
<Yilx> i will not use focus blast right off the bat
<Looking4Godot> ^though really this in a metagame without "fuck 'zard cap"
<Yilx> unless their only zard-y switch in is tran
<Looking4Godot> we don't surely know
<BaseSpeed> Steel/Flying, Mono Fairy and Fairy/Flying all miss out on super effective STABs
<Looking4Godot> how players will act
<Looking4Godot> in a meta with this guy
<Yilx> hitting it neutral is good enough imo
<Yilx> zard isnt the bulkiest guy around
<Yilx> -y is surprisingly specially bulky
<Yilx> it always survives 252+ rotom-w's thunderbolt for example
<Yilx> same for -x on the physical side
<bugmaniacbob> roost makes it a bit trickier though
<Yilx> forget baout roost, you're not even KOing it from full HP lol
<bugmaniacbob> exactly, if you can't do over 50% you lose to DD zard-x
<Yilx> 252+ SpA Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 248-294 (83.2 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
<FMD> If we outspeed or can Para?
<bugmaniacbob> that's another matter, admittedly
<bugmaniacbob> but losing to subDD is also a possibility
<bugmaniacbob> it can't be super tanky, faster than zard and able to do significant damage all at once
<FMD> Rock Blast?
<bugmaniacbob> hmm
<BaseSpeed> Shouldn't we decide on a type before we begin debating all this?
<bugmaniacbob> how much attack would one need to break a sub
<Looking4Godot> eeeh, is substitute really that great of a choice for charizard?
<bugmaniacbob> oh yea right
<bugmaniacbob> depends if it can beat its best counter with it
<Looking4Godot> but this way he'll lose either roost or a coverage move
<bugmaniacbob> if it's fairy+flashfire then no because it can't have 2-move coverage and win
<Looking4Godot> considering charizard sr weak it'll die so quickly
<bugmaniacbob> true
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<bugmaniacbob> anyway, shall we vote on typing?
<bugmaniacbob> all those in favour of steel/flying say aye
<BaseSpeed> Aye
<FMD> Aye
<BaseSpeed> Hang on
<BaseSpeed> What's the slate?
<BaseSpeed> Steel/Flying, Fairy and Fairy/Flying?
<bugmaniacbob> steel/flying, mono-fairy, fairy/flying
<Looking4Godot> both are cool either way, so add me in the majority
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<bugmaniacbob> the three suggested
<bugmaniacbob> ok let's try again
<FMD> Fairy/Flying, Fairy and Steel/Flying
<Looking4Godot> fairy/flying it's kinda meh tho
<bugmaniacbob> you have 10 seconds from the time of messaging
<bugmaniacbob> all those in favour of steel/flying say aye
<BaseSpeed> aye
<FMD> Aye
<Quanyails> Is this what I think this is?
<bugmaniacbob> aaand stop
<bugmaniacbob> yes quany, it is
<FMD> True Charizard counter CAP
<bugmaniacbob> all those in favour of mono-fairy say aye
<bugmaniacbob> aye
<Quanyails> Might as well chip in, even if I'm spriting currently.
<bugmaniacbob> 1 vote
<bugmaniacbob> all those in favour of fairy/flying say aye
<BaseSpeed> *Tumbleweed*
<bugmaniacbob> all right then
<bugmaniacbob> let us proceed with steel/flying
<bugmaniacbob> what abilities would we like to see?
<BaseSpeed> Flash Fire is obvious
<FMD> Yeah
<Looking4Godot> hmm we could base the guy
<BaseSpeed> However, I'd like to put Drizzle forward too
<Looking4Godot> around some kind of metal
<bugmaniacbob> Yes, I'll mark that as given
<Looking4Godot> who "resists fire"
<Looking4Godot> so other fire related stuff?
<bugmaniacbob> surely it doesn't resist fire, but absorbs it?
<Looking4Godot> well yeah that's the gist of it
<bugmaniacbob> caesium might be a candidate given that it burns in air
<Looking4Godot> but there is no ability
<Quanyails> Drizzle would be nice for cancelling Drought.
<Looking4Godot> who lets you resist fire (thick fat has nothing to do with metal)
<Looking4Godot> so flash fire is a more coherent choice
<bugmaniacbob> heatproof?
<Looking4Godot> in the eyes of a player
<Looking4Godot> heatproof is cool yea
<bugmaniacbob> so let's see
<FMD> Heatproof is a worse Flash Fire.
<bugmaniacbob> put flash fire down as given
<Looking4Godot> we can make heatproof the dw ability and call it a day, btw
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<BaseSpeed> Heatproof is outright inferior to Flash Fire, isn't it?
<bugmaniacbob> Or we could make Flash Fire the hidden ability and make it more generous
<bugmaniacbob> yep
<Looking4Godot> either way
<bugmaniacbob> heatproof would be nice for flavour though
<BaseSpeed> So if we want an ability that gives us fire resist, everything except Drizzle is totally inferior?
<BaseSpeed> Unless we're dying for an ice resist too...
<bugmaniacbob> well, we don't technically get a resistance
<FMD> Well Flash Fire and Drizzle seem the best options.
<bugmaniacbob> it just cancels the fire weakness
<Looking4Godot> drizzle has problems
<Looking4Godot> since megazard y activates the sun AFTER you
<bugmaniacbob> drizzle seems distracting
<bugmaniacbob> given that it doesn't actually let you wall either mega
<FMD> Filter has a good use too, but it would probably still die to Y
<BaseSpeed> Mm, that is true actually
<bugmaniacbob> you still take extra damage from fire attacks even in the rain
<BaseSpeed> Drizzle wouldn't quite work
<BaseSpeed> Looking4Godot is right, Zard Y would get sun anyway
<bugmaniacbob> or, hell, abilities like flame body or magma armour for flavour
<BaseSpeed> It's gotta be Flash Fire then
<bugmaniacbob> yea
<bugmaniacbob> do we want a second competitive ability, or a flavour ability or two
<BaseSpeed> Shall we follow the standard CAP process and decide the other two abilities later?
<bugmaniacbob> seems logical
<bugmaniacbob> since they're flavour-y and all that
<bugmaniacbob> ok stats
<FMD> Bulky physical offense?
<bugmaniacbob> give us some bsr ranges, perhaps
<bugmaniacbob> I'd say very good pt and st, good ps and above average ss
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<BaseSpeed> This point is where the maths makes my brain melt...
<bugmaniacbob> although perhaps excellent pt would be more suitable
<Yveltal> grrr, DHR left
<bugmaniacbob> yes if we have to rely on resistances for zard-x a higher pt seems necessary to take hits comfortably
<FMD> We need something like 100/100 special tankiness to handle the Focus Blasts
<FMD> So an ST range around that of Mew?
<bugmaniacbob> that's the higher end of very good
<bugmaniacbob> so that seems reasonable
<Looking4Godot> guys how about
<Looking4Godot> 90 hp 120 defense 10 sdef?
<Looking4Godot> this way an impish nature fuckzardmon
<bugmaniacbob> 10 SpD?
<Looking4Godot> with amx hp, 200 sdef and 56 defense
<Looking4Godot> can tank easily an +1 outrage and focus blast
<BaseSpeed> Uh...
<Looking4Godot> oops 100* sdef
<BaseSpeed> Ahaha
<BaseSpeed> That's a relief
<FMD> A +1 Dragon Claw does about the same as a Focus Blast would, so maybe the same general PT?
<Looking4Godot> Outrage 41.4 - 48.6% at +1
<Looking4Godot> while focus blast
<Looking4Godot> Focus Blast 32.5 - 38.5%
<Looking4Godot> and we're not even adding unbelievably high stats for this
<bugmaniacbob> that seems reasonable enough
<Looking4Godot> (that leaves room for attack and speed improvement)
<BaseSpeed> Can we think about the build triangle for a second?
<bugmaniacbob> ah yes
<BaseSpeed> Speed, Bulk and Offense, we're supposed to pick 2
<bugmaniacbob> personally I think bulky-powerful
<FMD> I think SpDef needs to be just a little higher than Def.
<FMD> And we can be slow.
<bugmaniacbob> really? I'd say Def > SpD
<BaseSpeed> So we sacrifice speed?
<bugmaniacbob> speed isn't really essential I don't think
<bugmaniacbob> especially when we want to beat DD zard-x
<FMD> We take more damage from Focus Blast than we do +1 Dragon Claw.
<bugmaniacbob> true, but outrage still exists
<Looking4Godot> focus blast cannot 2hko you even with stealth rocks
<Looking4Godot> and it's also unreliable
<Looking4Godot> I think that chary can be stopped this way
<BaseSpeed> If we can commit ourselves to low speed, then I think we can justify good defense and special defense
<bugmaniacbob> and as shown above could 2hko with sr if we lowered def at the expense of spD
<Looking4Godot> okay
<BaseSpeed> Oops
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<FMD> At +1, 90/120 at max HP still has a 2HKO chance
<Looking4Godot> there is a difference though
<BaseSpeed> Sorry, that could be confusing. By good, I didn't mean BSR terms. For that I mean very good or perhaps even excellent
<Looking4Godot> you only get a free turn
<Looking4Godot> in that turn you either dance or use outrage
<FMD> We would need to be able to OHKO Megazard X then.
<bugmaniacbob> not if we had reliable recovery
<Looking4Godot> ^
<Looking4Godot> char x is quite bulky
<Looking4Godot> nothing can ohko him
<Looking4Godot> the ebst we can do is give him over 100 abse atk
<Looking4Godot> so that we can 2hko him with stone edge
<Looking4Godot> best*
<Looking4Godot> base argh
<bugmaniacbob> there must be some way to attack zard-x without relying on stone miss
<FMD> So what recovery options are we looking at? Weather based would be great
<Looking4Godot> roost?
<bugmaniacbob> weather-based sort of defeats the point of reliable
<bugmaniacbob> and yeah roost works
<FMD> Something like Moonlight improves to 75% under the sun, so we counter Y harder.
<Looking4Godot> meh
<Looking4Godot> moonlight has low pp
<Looking4Godot> and it's weather reliant
<Looking4Godot> in other ways
<BaseSpeed> Still
<Looking4Godot> useless if you face an excatar team
<FMD> Synthesis?
<Looking4Godot> same deal
<BaseSpeed> Sun-based recovery means we don't become a monster wall to anything
<BaseSpeed> It keeps us focused
<bugmaniacbob> but we won't be a monster wall regardless
<Looking4Godot> well that's true
<Looking4Godot> but people might shy away
<Looking4Godot> for this recovery
<Looking4Godot> I mean
<FMD> And we get STAB SE against Tyranitar.
<Looking4Godot> it's pretty common
<Looking4Godot> to pair up
<Looking4Godot> charizard with exca
<Looking4Godot> and tyra
<FMD> How about we give it Recover AND Synthesis? (or similar options)
<bugmaniacbob> if we have morning sun and nothing else
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<bugmaniacbob> roost + morning sun is fair
<bugmaniacbob> hallo birkal
<FMD> Excadrill can't really hurt us.
<bugmaniacbob> but to come back to the question of atk stat
<Looking4Godot> it's the sand the problem if we use only synthesis/moonlight
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<Birkal> hello
<Looking4Godot> @atk we need at least base 116 atk to precisely 2hko char x without sr and evs
<bugmaniacbob> that's a fair bit
<Looking4Godot> eh...
<FMD> 100-120 gives use a good chance to quickly kill X and basically always kill Y
<BaseSpeed> 116 sounds reasonable
<bugmaniacbob> if a typical moveset is SE/roost/?/?
<bugmaniacbob> I wonder if EQ can be squeezed on somewhere
<FMD> We could throw in Head Smash. A bit reckless and suicidal, but can OHKO at just over 100 Atk
<Looking4Godot> uhm
<Looking4Godot> quakedge coverage without stab?
<bugmaniacbob> indeed
<bugmaniacbob> not recommended
<bugmaniacbob> toxic, though, might solve the problem
<Looking4Godot> maybe huh... some kind of support move like sr?
<FMD> Definitely SR
<Looking4Godot> (might get it via breeding with skarmory)
<bugmaniacbob> sr would be good regardless, if only to make the "screw zard" a little bit louder
<FMD> What are a few of Zard's most common companions?
<Looking4Godot> lemme see
<Yveltal> rapid spinners >_>
<FMD> Tyranitar was mentioned, Excadrill
<Looking4Godot> exca azuma amoonguss (stall)
<bugmaniacbob> probably latias as well
<Looking4Godot>
http://sweepercalc.com/stats/ou1760.html
<Looking4Godot> well it's kinda messy
<Looking4Godot> in a way
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<FMD> Latias can only hurt us directly with Thunderbolt
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<bugmaniacbob> being a sitting duck for excadrill is a bad idea regardless
<bugmaniacbob> not sure what to do to avoid that
<Looking4Godot> still exca can't do much
<Looking4Godot> maybe some players will use him with rocky helmet?
<Looking4Godot> dunno
<bugmaniacbob> who?
<Looking4Godot> "fuckzardmoN"
<Yveltal> get a coverage mon with flamethrower >__>
<FMD> If we had a Fire move to synergize with Flash Fire, we could probably obliterate Excadrill
<Birkal> .log
<bugmaniacbob> except why would exca attack with anything other than rock slide
<bugmaniacbob> and yeah a fire attack should be around
<bugmaniacbob> maybe make this thing 2000kg and give it heat crash
<Yveltal> I'm super smrt
<FMD> 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Skarmory: 79-94 (20.5 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
<Looking4Godot> hum that wouldn't be bad
<Yveltal> ess-emm-are-tee spells smart
<Looking4Godot> it's a steel type with an high bulk after all
<bugmaniacbob> actually let me rephrase that
<bugmaniacbob> 2000kg with heat crash + stab heavy slam
<FMD> Heat Crash could be a good idea.
<Looking4Godot> lol
<FMD> Exactly
<Looking4Godot> insane
<FMD> Heat Crash / Heavy Slam / SR / recover move
<Looking4Godot> sooo the standard sets would be
<Looking4Godot> hcrash hslam roost sr/fuckzard move?
<Yveltal> fuckzard
<bugmaniacbob> I imagine hcrash and hslam would be mutually exclusive
<bugmaniacbob> but sure
<Yveltal> sounds like an awful porn involving lizard biologists
<Looking4Godot> eh steel+fire is not that great as a coverage
<Yveltal> *herpetologists
<FMD> Steel + Fire + Rock?
<bugmaniacbob> anyway weren't we talking about stats
<FMD> Herpetologist should never be used in a sexual context. Too close to herpes
<bugmaniacbob> is anyone objecting to 90 / 116 / 120 / ? / 100 / ?
<FMD> 90/116/120/x/100/y right now?
<Yveltal> exactly
<bugmaniacbob> that's where we were before we got distracted
<FMD> Damn it Bob, stop being faster than me!
<Yveltal> that's why it's so awful~
<Looking4Godot> we're at a 326 base stat total atm
<Looking4Godot> 426*
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<bugmaniacbob> both our final stats should be low-ish
<Looking4Godot> agreed
<Yveltal> reach for the stars
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<Yveltal> 501 bst
<bugmaniacbob> what do we need to outrun that's slow
<Looking4Godot> speed we could use
<FMD> We could adjust the stats slightly if anybody can think of an external issue?
<Looking4Godot> something like, uuh, avalugg speed since we're so big?
<bugmaniacbob> well, maybe we can come back to it later
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<bugmaniacbob> and I'd like to be faster than ferrothorn for heat crash shenanigans
<Looking4Godot> hm
<FMD> !data Rotom Wash
<Yveltal> what exactly are y'all putting together anyhow
<Looking4Godot> 30?
<TIBot> Rotom-Wash - Electric/Water | Levitate | 50/65/107/105/107/86 | 520 BST | OU | Low Kick/Grass Knot: 20 BP
<BaseSpeed> Avalugg is very extreme on the speed side
<bugmaniacbob> actually
<bugmaniacbob> how fast is chansey
<Looking4Godot> 50
<FMD> We could add in Gyro Ball if we expect to be slow
<bugmaniacbob> may want to be 55 then to outpace it
<Mos_Quitoxe> they're putting together an anti-volkraken
<Mos_Quitoxe> to subvert the meta
<Yveltal> oh
<Mos_Quitoxe> and bring cap down in flames
<BaseSpeed> Gyro Ball? What good will that do for beating Zard?
<bugmaniacbob> we're building a perfect charizard counter
<Yveltal> speedcapping this. fun
<FMD> I think 52 could be good.
<bugmaniacbob> or something
<Looking4Godot> gyro ball caps at 150
<Looking4Godot> while heavy slam at 120
<bugmaniacbob> we kinda got sidetracked
<Mos_Quitoxe> amounts to the same thing
<Looking4Godot> I'd say let's still add it as a coverage
<Yveltal> is there a typing already
<bugmaniacbob> 52 sounds reasonable
<FMD> It's not coverage, it's STAB
<Looking4Godot> we don't want to face something big that takes little damage from all our attacks
<FMD> Steel/Flying Flash Fire
<BaseSpeed> Yes, type and primary ability are already decided Yveltal
<jasleep> What typing are you guys working with?
<BaseSpeed> What FMD said lol
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<Yveltal> lol?
<bugmaniacbob> ok so any objections to 52 Speed
<Yveltal> that sounds so generated
<Mos_Quitoxe> that's precisely what they're doing man
<Mos_Quitoxe> no flava in here
<Yveltal> make it an evil flying toaster oven
<FMD> 90/116/120/x/100/52 so far?
<Yveltal> do it
<bugmaniacbob> yeah
<Yveltal> dewww it
<FMD> Also, look at Garchomp's speed.
<Looking4Godot> 478 base stats total aye
<bugmaniacbob> SpA should just make it a round number
<BaseSpeed> There really weren't many options to make it beat both Zards
<bugmaniacbob> 37
<Looking4Godot> 32 so we end at 510?
<Quanyails> Dump stats. :U
<bugmaniacbob> well we could have done fairy but hey nobody likes fairy
<FMD> I was thinking like 52 SpAtk
<Yveltal> Quan, this is maddening
<Looking4Godot> well at least
<Quanyails> At least 50 for me.
<Mos_Quitoxe> *you* don't like fairy
<Looking4Godot> we're not spikes weak
<bugmaniacbob> I voted for fairy
<Quanyails> What is?
<Yveltal> also hi
<Quanyails> Heya.
<FMD> Maybe 57?
<Yveltal> their speedcap is sooo synthetic
<Quanyails> I don't think models need to worry about polycounts after DHR's post. :P
<bugmaniacbob> just make it 47
<bugmaniacbob> and stop there
<FMD> !data Garchomp
<Yveltal> I amended my last email to paint after reading DHR's pastebin over
<TIBot> Garchomp - Dragon/Ground | Sand Veil/Rough Skin (H) | 108/130/95/80/85/102 | 600 BST | OU | Low Kick/Grass Knot: 80 BP
<Looking4Godot> hm
<Yveltal> and honestly, I'd approve of a 12,000 poly count model that looks good
<bugmaniacbob> it's not like aerodactyl or anything in this bst ballpark has high spA
<Yveltal> but modelers have to know how to handle 12,000 polygons right, lol
<bugmaniacbob> anyway
<bugmaniacbob> let's move on to movepool shall we
<Quanyails> I have no knowledge of that stuff. D:
<FMD> If we go 90/116/120/57/100/52, that ends up at 535.
<bugmaniacbob> all right, we don't need to argue over literally the least important stat
<Quanyails> That works for me.
<Yveltal> I like starting basic and making sure that there's a lowpoly accommodated for animation
<Yveltal> and then smoothing out from there
<bugmaniacbob> moves
<Looking4Godot> it's cool 57 is still something, it's higher than skarmory, and alst gen aerodactyl with a base 60 satk could still make use for it via fire blast
<Looking4Godot> last*
<FMD> We should have Heat Crash, a few random STABs and Stone Edge for offensive options.
<bugmaniacbob> we already have heat crash, heavy slam, stone edge, roost and morning sun
<FMD> Morning Sun, Roost and SR for non-attacking
<bugmaniacbob> some flying-type and steel-type RMs would be nice
<Looking4Godot> air slash and heat wave?
<FMD> Brave Bird, perhaps?
<Looking4Godot> sure why not
<FMD> I don't think anything heavy enough for Heat Crash / Heavy Slam should be agile enough for Acrobatics.
<Yveltal> however, people should try to keep it near 7,000 polys, so it's easier to load
<bugmaniacbob> needs more drill peck
<bugmaniacbob> so we can make it into a giant flying drill
<bugmaniacbob> made of fire
<Yveltal> make it
<Looking4Godot> lol
<Yveltal> a bird with solar panel wings
<bugmaniacbob> better idea
<bugmaniacbob> steal a cawmodore design and photoshop fire onto it
<FMD> I think Sunny Day should be a move just because of Flash Fire. I can't think of a Pokemon with Flash Fire that doesn't have Sunny Day
<Yveltal> lel
<Looking4Godot> deal
<Looking4Godot> also sandstorm
<Looking4Godot> since it's part steel
<FMD> Definitley
<Yveltal> make it like, a heatproof satellite
<Yveltal> MAKE IT THE ISSS SPACE STATION
<Mos_Quitoxe> the kilaak ufo from godzilla
<Yveltal> *I.S.S.
<Yilx> !learn chandelure, sunny day
<TIBot> Chandelure can learn Sunny Day.
<Mos_Quitoxe> it could set itself on fire
<Yilx> !Learn heatmor, sunny day
<TIBot> Heatmor can learn Sunny Day.
<FMD> I was thinking of it being kind of inspired by Iccarus.
<Yilx> !learn litwick, sunny day
<TIBot> Litwick can learn Sunny Day.
<Yilx> godd amn it!!
<Looking4Godot> lol even skarmory learns sunny day
<bugmaniacbob> ok so TMs
<Yilx> well
<Quanyails> I was thinking Sputnik or other forms of extraterrestrial satellites.
<bugmaniacbob> does this thing have claws
<Yilx> every gen1/gen2 mon got rain dance/sunny day fsr
<FMD> Yes
<bugmaniacbob> also should we give it Earthquake
<Mos_Quitoxe> it's because every mon back then knew how to dance!
<Yveltal> guys
<FMD> Anything that heavy should get EQ
<Yveltal> you know how zombies get stronger when they catch fire?
<Looking4Godot> agreed
<Yveltal> make it a zombie cyborg
<FMD> That's a myth
<Yveltal> that has a jet pack
<Yveltal> like andromon with jet boots
<bugmaniacbob> should it have explosion?
<Mos_Quitoxe>
http://www.tohokingdom.com/aliens_sdf/kilaak_ufo.htm
<FMD> Explosion would be nice
<Mos_Quitoxe> Yveltal I would not want you with me in a zombie apocalypse
<Mos_Quitoxe> if you think for one second that fire makes them stronger
<Yveltal> >__>
<bugmaniacbob> ok this is taking too long
<Yveltal> it makes them harder to kill at close range
<bugmaniacbob> everybody submit their list of TM moves via pastebin
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<Looking4Godot> hm
<Mos_Quitoxe> If All Else Fails Use Fire
<bugmaniacbob> actually wait
<bugmaniacbob> somebody draw us some artwork first
<Yveltal> artwork?
<bugmaniacbob> well yeah
<bugmaniacbob> art before movepools and all that
* Yveltal starts doodling a flying Andromon
<Mos_Quitoxe> see you in 47 years
<Yveltal> ur a turd
<Yveltal> I can draw humanoid crap pretty ok
<Mos_Quitoxe> oh I'm not disparagin' on your ability
<Mos_Quitoxe> I'm just saying
<Yveltal> and pretty quick
<Yveltal> remember how fast I did that mega corsola
<Mos_Quitoxe> you can't just "doodle" a digimon from before 2005
<Mos_Quitoxe> theres too many sinews
<Mos_Quitoxe> also I never saw this mega corsola
<Yveltal> :O
<Yveltal> you weren't there?
<Mos_Quitoxe> no
<Mos_Quitoxe> ' 3'
<Yveltal> the only reason an early digimon is hard to draw
<Yveltal> is because of all the heavy coloring and shading that goes on
<Mos_Quitoxe> veins and sinews mate
<Yveltal> it's like stage makeup
<Mos_Quitoxe> this is why you never see an anime cyclomon
<Mos_Quitoxe> it's too much
<bugmaniacbob> oh one more thing
<bugmaniacbob> should this have thunder wave / will-o-wisp
<Yveltal> speedcapped mega corsola, first draft, sans color
<Yveltal>
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad300/MisterVii/CCI03282014_00000.png
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<Looking4Godot>
http://mibpaste.com/10qTY6
<bugmaniacbob> hmm
<Eagle4> looks awesome yveltal
<bugmaniacbob> is is wise to give this thing bulk up?
<Looking4Godot> well it's still slow
<Looking4Godot> and has a weak stab coverage
<FMD> I would rather not
<Looking4Godot> stuff like thundurus
<Looking4Godot> can easily force it out
<Looking4Godot> I don't think it would be that common
<Eagle4>
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad300/MisterVii/1385567135187.gif
<Mos_Quitoxe> I think you mean
<Looking4Godot> or rotom-w
<Mos_Quitoxe> Mecha Corsola :P
<Yveltal> eagle4
<bugmaniacbob> I'd say remove bulk up, fling, and add fly
<Yveltal> are you looking through my stuff
<Looking4Godot> oh right
<Looking4Godot> hms too lol
<bugmaniacbob> but apart from that, seems that we can take it
<Yveltal> stahp
<Quanyails> Hmm. My sketch is looking like a metallic Angry Bird. o_O
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<bugmaniacbob> remember to add fire
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<bugmaniacbob> everything needs fire
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<BaseSpeed> !recap
<Yveltal> what if
<Yveltal> you base it on like, a Hawaiian fir god
<Yveltal> then it can have a torch that can catch fire and boost its stats
<Looking4Godot> brb
<bugmaniacbob> hmm
<Yveltal> c'mon man
<Yveltal> tiki torch
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<Yveltal> Pele is the goddess of volcanoes and is referred to as the earth-eating woman. I think that's fitting since this cap is meant to obliterate the world of CAP
<Quanyails>
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2zxr0aq.jpg <-- Two-minute sketch.
<bugmaniacbob> ohh I like that quany
<bugmaniacbob> doesn't look very heavy though
<Mos_Quitoxe> dark colors will help
<Mos_Quitoxe> pitted black metal
<bugmaniacbob> idk maybe it can be some sort of neutron star pokemon
<Mos_Quitoxe> it's both a satellite and an asteroid
<Quanyails> And it probably looks too fast, being based off of a satellite that is speeding out of the solar system.
<Quanyails> Maybe I'll make it more like a slothy UFO.
<Quanyails> But I'm currently streaming Argentina vs. Switzerland and spriting, so that'll be third priority.
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<FMD> Well fuck, I forgot this thing was supposed to look slow. XD
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<bugmaniacbob>
http://pastebin.com/Y5YQn37f - first draft
<Yveltal> ok
<Yveltal> gimme two minutes
<sad_yilx> h0m0beam
<Yveltal>
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad300/MisterVii/speedcapcap.png
<Yveltal> It's a giant 2000kg bird flying tank thing sent from the future to destroy the modern cap meta all yugioh Paradox style
<Yveltal> it flies on antigravity rings and launches most of its attacks through an openin in the middle of the sun on its chest
<Yveltal> and the face is intended to be painted on, like a war plane painting
<Yveltal> thoughts, hateful comments or concerns?
<bugmaniacbob> I like it
<Quanyails> The head floats?
<Yveltal> the head could float
<bugmaniacbob> difficult to justify putting it in the flying egg group though
<bugmaniacbob> so I might have to rearrange egg moves a tad
<Yveltal> it excretes semen laced with a synthetic self building material that births baby versions of itself
<bugmaniacbob> also yeah not sure about the head looking like a crash helmet
<Yveltal> Quan, as a request between creature artists
<Yveltal> I want you to take my sketch
<Yveltal> and make it better
<Quanyails> Just redraw it or redesign it?
<Yveltal> do whatever you think will make it look better
<Yveltal> I dun really care, I just wanted to give you all something obviously heavy
<Yveltal> even though it prolly isn't that weighty looking still
<Yveltal> I'm thinking, maybe the height and size of a smart car standing on its nose
<Quanyails> I'll get to it after the sprite.
<Yveltal> and 2000 kg
<Yveltal> did you guys hear about Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth
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<sad_yilx>
<DHR> Hello Im home
<FMD> Hey
<Yveltal> yo
<Yveltal> thanks for that bit in the 3d modeling thread
<Quanyails> Okay, sprite done.
<Quanyails> Is the kitchen CAP waiting on art?
<Yveltal> yeah, I'm not touching it anymore
<FMD> Still need to clean it up a lot, but here's what I have thusfar:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb470/Dragonblaze052/CounterZard_zpsac1c28e2.png
<Yveltal> moving on to schoolwork
<Yveltal> lol he's beautiful
<FMD> Lol :)
<FMD> I kind of just took the Porygon route to making it look artificial.
<Mos_Quitoxe> does anyone have any recommendations
<Mos_Quitoxe> on what Ion Deluge would work best with?
<FMD> For what?
<Mos_Quitoxe> what mon would be able to use it
<Mos_Quitoxe> I mean sure it's a doubles thing it's useless for most cases
<Yveltal> a mon with lightning rod versus a boomburst abuser
<FMD> That would be nice
<Mos_Quitoxe> oh
<Mos_Quitoxe> some of them get it
<FMD> I think Emolga is its fastest user.
<Mos_Quitoxe> good, I don't have to put it on eelektross
<Yveltal> uhmmm
<Yveltal> Lanturn has that setup already, doesn't it
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<Yveltal> what with volt absorb
<FMD> Oh right, it's priority.
<Yveltal> ...actually, it liiks like most pokemon with motor drive lightning rod or volt absorb can learn ion deluge
<FMD> How about Zebstrika?
<Yveltal> even though there are only 8 of them
<Yveltal> Zeb can learn it
<Mos_Quitoxe> yeah, tross is the exception
<Yveltal> it has it as a start move
<Mos_Quitoxe> I was afraid its distribution would be ass and I'd have to put it on the lamprey
<FMD> I know, I was suggesting Zebstrika. .-.
<Yveltal> oh I thought you were asking. excuuuuuse me
<bugmaniacbob> zzz
<bugmaniacbob> has everybody given up on arting the flashcap then
<FMD> Still need to clean it up a lot, but here's what I have thusfar:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb470/Dragonblaze052/CounterZard_zpsac1c28e2.png
<Yveltal> fmd and quan are on it now
<bugmaniacbob> okey, keep going then
<FMD> Has anybody done movepool yet?
<bugmaniacbob> I did a wip
<bugmaniacbob>
http://pastebin.com/Y5YQn37f
<bugmaniacbob> needs critique
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<FMD> Add Hurricane and Heat Wave so Jas can use it.
<bugmaniacbob> haaha
<Yveltal> how is this thing going to EQ
<Quanyails>
http://oi57.tinypic.com/35lbukp.jpg <-- Yveltal sketch.
<bugmaniacbob> same way every other heavy thing does
<Yveltal> omg quan
<Yveltal> I love it
<bugmaniacbob> that doesn't look much like an yveltal
<Quanyails> Onto 'inking' it.
<Yveltal> it's mah birdy baby
<Quanyails> You can decide the colors, Yveltal. :P
<FMD> Volture?
<Yveltal> I want it to look like an Apple device. because years from now apple will fun World War 7 and manufacture sleek floating tanks
<Yveltal> *fund
<FMD> I'm making mine pointy so Apple can't sue me.
<Yveltal> give him a collar that stands up
<Yveltal> my only critique
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<nyttyn> good morning
<nyttyn> or afternoon since it's noon now I guess
<Quanyails> Hmm?
<Quanyails> Like the ones on shirts?
<Yveltal> kinda yeah
<Yveltal> like at the base of the neck, I think it should have a collar-like sheet of metal
<nyttyn> !recap
<nyttyn> is that still not working
<Yveltal> nyttyn, there's a speedcap going on
<nyttyn> oh can we give it v-create
<Yveltal> ur so funny
<sad_yilx> v-c
<sad_yilx> rwea
<sad_yilx> treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
<sad_yilx> we give it move, v-cerweat
<sad_yilx> it ivis eyr strong move. kill the pokemo
<sad_yilx> genderless
<nyttyn> but
<nyttyn> thats not enuff yilx
<nyttyn> also needs QUICK TEMPERED
<nyttyn> i qwoudl like it to foucs on akt and spdef.
<Yveltal> like, it should be perfectly straight and standing upright, quanyails
<sad_yilx> haaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
* nyttyn now commences lurking to observe speedCAP
<Yveltal> or kind of a smooth, rounded semi-ring that goes along the back from "shoulder" to "shoulder"
<Yveltal> Wait! what questions should be answered with this concept?
<Yveltal> "I wonder if it will be good"
<Yveltal> nyttyn
<Yveltal>
http://oi57.tinypic.com/35lbukp.jpg steel flying with flashfire. bulky and slow with lots of good moves and shit
<sad_yilx> CRY FOR ME
<Yveltal>
http://pastebin.com/Y5YQn37f
* Yveltal puts on fake tears and starts stage weeping in front of sad_yilx
<sad_yilx> KIMI WO
* FMD stabs Yveltal until the tears are real.
<nyttyn> sounds like a evo to skarmory
<Yveltal> Y would you do that fmd
<Yveltal> I don't cry
* FMD stabs more
<Yveltal> I'm a soulless blackhearted creature who commits street murder out of boredom, when not a cocoon
* FMD covers Yveltal in fairy princess stickers.
<Yveltal> nuuu fairies
<Yveltal> my one obvious weakness other than all the other onesssss
* Yveltal falls on the floor, shivering
* FMD puts a tiara and pretty princess dress on Yveltal
* FMD spreads the pictures across the internet, destroying your image forever.
<Yveltal> ok I'm weak to fairies, not weak when BEING a fairy
<Yveltal> stupid
<FMD> I already beat you, now I'm just humiliating you.
<Yveltal> yeah
<Yveltal> but I'm sure I look pretty good being humiliated
<Yveltal> I mean why not, Batman looks fantastic in a prom dress
<Quanyails>
http://oi60.tinypic.com/ftdb43.jpg <-- If I had time, I'd make the lines look prettier and hsarper.
<Quanyails> Hmm, the back of the 'collar' looks off.
<Quanyails> One moment.
<Quanyails> Oh, right, that was from me trying to make the design 'taller'.
<Yveltal> the body should be more obviously egg-shaped if that's what you're going for
<Quanyails> You wanted it to stand up, no?
<Yveltal> reposition the shoulder feathers and change the lines on the upper half of the torso so it doesn't look as off
<Yveltal> but I love that collar
<FMD> Never forget that they turned this,
http://hitfanwrestlingnewz.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Rock-2013.jpg , into this
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_c7_UYGWKb...buHSoM/s320/et_toothfairy_091218_et_large.jpg !
<Yveltal> fmd, I'm going to give you something
<Yveltal> hold on
<Eagle4>
http://i.imgur.com/metmz7t.jpg
<Eagle4> even bigger transformation
<FMD> This,
http://coochiecrunch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/hillary_clinton_young.jpg , to... wait for it...
http://glossynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/clintonAP1712_468x5921.jpg THAT!
<Eagle4>
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/63/af/a9/63afa9d886a0646393de51ce95e6bfa7.jpg
<DHR> Oh no prob Yveltal
<Quanyails>
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2hx93pl.jpg
<FMD> You either die a hero
http://theconservativetreehouse.fil...imir-putin-65566-e1311397926115.jpg?w=640&h=5... or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
http://i.imgur.com/WUpj3se.jpg
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<Quanyails> Yveltal?
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<FMD> Gonna go ahead and finalize mine:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb470/Dragonblaze052/CounterZard_zps369413af.png
<Yveltal> ???
<Yveltal> He's cute, he looks like a robot master concept :D
<Yveltal>
Quanyails
<Yveltal> I kind of prefer the twister over antigravity rings and a metal coattail too, lol
<Quanyails> It's supposed to be a tornado. :P
<Yveltal> all twisters are tornados!!!
<Quanyails> Yeah.
<Eagle4> water twisters aren't
<Eagle4>
http://www.toyzone.net/images/products/twister-dbzB.jpg
<Yveltal> oh yeah, those are motions in the ocean
<Yveltal> or w/ever
<FMD> All tornadoes are twisters, not al twisters are tornadoes.
<Yveltal> Pokémon are capable of using Twister, Whirlpool and Hurricane
<Yveltal> but not Tornado
<Yveltal> Y
<Yveltal> Yyyyy
<FMD> Because otherwise you'd just summon a Tornadus.