Dugtrio also functioned really well on sun teams as it was able to take out other weather setters.
If anything, Forretress has always been OU and a force to be reckoned with in every generations since it's been introduced (XY doesn't count on this forum ). In that way, it hardly fits a "niche" role.
Ditto seems a bit more common this gen than last, and I can't totally explain why, since I feel like there were more threatening sweepers for Ditto to stop in BW2.
I actually have that impression too. Klefki is pretty mediocre, prankster spikes and prankster screens are nice and all, but with defog being very common you aren't achieving alot. Not to mention that Deoxys is still here and does that way more reliably. So swagplay is actually one of the best things Klefki can do. I guess because of this new abuser the idea of making whole swagplay teams passed on. Last gen only Liepard was a "common" swagplayer, because Thundurus and Sableye have way more offensive/support potential than that. I think it's just because swagplay has a new abuser and more and more people used it it became quite popular on the ladder.How does Klefki make SwagPlay more common?
EDIT: I see. His wording made it sound like Klefki made other abusers more common, which confused me.
That's not really true. I know that because i kinda was one of those guys who used to run funbro on the ladder just to fuck with the lower ladder players. Infinite stalling was a thing before, there was a kinda popular Jirachi Hackmons set that did pretty much the same thing funbro did (spider web, heal pulse, recycle and recover with leppa berry i think, or maybe it had a trapping ability, i don't really remember), but that was around way before funbro was even a thing. Basically a couple of guys on a pokemon image board looked up how to do this endless stalling thing in OU, and after some time funbro became a thing. The only reason it became "popular" is because those guys used to pass it on on said image board. There were a couple of those gimmicks that passed on like that Assist Shadow force lagging tail Liepard team that was basically untouchable unless someone had a priority move, if you laddered alot in BW you might remember that. Only difference is that funbro became kinda a joke, and it got passed on alot more, even by popular youtubers. (sorry for the kinda unrelated essay, what i was trying to say is that the competitive pokemon community was always dickish)I think the competitive pokemon community also became more dickish, how else do you explain Funbro's rise to power at around the same time?
Basically yes, the battle doesn't end until one player leaves or a simulator admin calls a tie. There are replays of battles going on over 2000 turns (apparently some ladder points are worth that time). The set isn't even viable imo, but nobody expects it and so you can take advantage of that and trap something that can't 3hko slowbro.So I just read up on Funbro - it seems like a set that can be beaten simply through having more patience than its user. I'm not sure why Slowbro's used for the set, though.
If you've got something trapped that can't 3HKO you or Toxic you (as this set seems to require), why not just run a Starf Berry instead of Leppa Berry, and an attacking move instead of Heal Pulse?
You can't rely on a Starf Berry because it boosts a random stat.
If you're against a Pokemon with a total of 64 PP (assuming 16 in each move), you would have to Slack Off all the damage. Slack Off only has 16 PP, so such a set of getting the opponent to Struggle relying on lack of Leppa Berry can only be achieved with the opponent only 8HKOing you (mono-attacking Rapid Spin?) or running out of decently powered moves before you run out of Slack Off. Additionally, If you have Block, Slack Off, Recycle, and Heal Pulse, that's already four moves, and therefore can't put an attacking move (although I assume your set doesn't need Heal Pulse). Even if you decide to not use Heal Pulse, you have to be at 1/4 health to activate the berry, which is extremely risky outside of weak Struggle (which itself is unlikely unless it's something like a Choice user that can't hurt you, but they should have switched out before Block anyway) that you won't get to due to lack of Leppa Berry. Additionally, it's not fitting for the set because of how the set wasn't made for directly winning, but rather for trolling.You can if you have Recycle and you've trapped something that can't 3HKO you.