>The draft isn't a popularity contest with a total disregard for the legitmacy of a players nationality.No. Lets not turn WCoP into a popularity contest.
>The draft isn't a popularity contest with a total disregard for the legitmacy of a players nationality.No. Lets not turn WCoP into a popularity contest.
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was.and you may find yourself making lots of personal attacks
and you may find yourself born in another part of the world
and you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large smogon tournament
and you may find yourself subbing into gsc, subbing into rby
and you may ask yourself
well...how did i get here?
letting the bans go by
let reuniclus hold me down
letting the bans go by
people whining underground
playing with bloo again
after the trophy's gone
once in a lifetime
people whining underground
Let me start by listing off some of the things this effects. Stoutland, Sandslash, Lilligant, Sawsbuck, Shiftry, Venusuar. I could go on but the point is that theres only one relevant Mon on that list. Venusuar.Sun doesn't have that many options and Venusuar has been one of the reasons to play it. The only thing this ban will do is force more people to use sand and rain making the meta stale. You and Ojama have probably been Sun burned one to many times and are trying to remove one specific Mon without suspect testing. Stop being sneaky and keep things the way they are.After some internal discussions originally sparked by Ojama, we have decided that a a weather ability alongside a speed boosting ability on the same team will be BANNED from BW OU for the duration of this World Cup.
Read:
This isn't an official tier change yet. The BW Cup, as well as all the other tournaments (officials and unofficials) won't be affected by this change, only the World Cup.
- Mold Breaker and Sand Force Excadrill are allowed in the tier.
- Chlorophyll users and Sand Rush users are not allowed in the tier if they're paired with a Drought user (Chlorophyll) or a Sand Stream user (Sand Rush).
We will make an official tiering decision with the appropriate people after the World Cup, which will be used as a test as to whether or not BW OU is arguably better off with that change.
I cant find your current BW OU usage statistics, but I'm confident sun is the least used of the three weathers.
#UK on ircIs there a #UK team anywhere? If so, I'd like to apply as a sub :)
Then who'd play?can't we just ban elodin instead
Then how would you release non sand rush Excadrill back into bw ou without a complex ban? I think that's a main point of the ban on weather + speed boosting ability to begin with: release an extra spinner with enough offensive presence to break through common spinblockers like jellicent and gengar. No one is arguing Stoutland in sand was broken, but this way hopefully the staleness of spikes stacking + magic guard mon can be relieved to some extent.Regarding the decision, wouldn't it be more convenient to ban Venusaur? Afaik other sun abusers weren't deemed as broken and Venusaur was the focal point of the ban anyway, so wouldn't it be better to just ban Venusaur instead? This would allow sun to not completely lose Chlorophyll abusers that aren't arguably broken while also letting Sand Rush Stout remain unbanned. I think that this was brought up earlier somewhere but didn't receive a sufficient reply. If Venusaur really was the problem, why not do so in the least restrictive way possible?
lmao how many times do we have to listen this "ban pokemon just with broken ability" argument before people actually understand this could turn into "unban ho-oh w/out sacred fire" and other bs? It's like we gotta unban Blaziken w/Blaze. They never did it and they will never do it. Pretty simple (and right).Sand rush on Excadrill is not allowed. Does it need to be more complex then that?
People would start using Victreebel on their teams as the Venusaur replacement. Victreebel has inferior stats, but it can still perform the revenge killer/sweeper/sleep inducer role very well, not to mention that with access to Weather Ball, it can also run HP Ice. A Fire/Grass/Ice coverage is fairly good, which is clearly an advantage Victreebel has over Venusaur.Regarding the decision, wouldn't it be more convenient to ban Venusaur? Afaik other sun abusers weren't deemed as broken and Venusaur was the focal point of the ban anyway, so wouldn't it be better to just ban Venusaur instead? This would allow sun to not completely lose Chlorophyll abusers that aren't arguably broken while also letting Sand Rush Stout remain unbanned. I think that this was brought up earlier somewhere but didn't receive a sufficient reply. If Venusaur really was the problem, why not do so in the least restrictive way possible?
we did it with Garchomp by dissallowing sand veil. We are smart people and I'm confident we can avoid the slippery slope.People would start using Victreebel on their teams as the Venusaur replacement. Victreebel has inferior stats, but it can still perform the revenge killer/sweeper/sleep inducer role very well, not to mention that with access to Weather Ball, it can also run HP Ice. A Fire/Grass/Ice coverage is fairly good, which is clearly an advantage Victreebel has over Venusaur.