Togetic

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  1. Ubiquitous

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    TOGETIC​


    I haven't seen another one, and being a Togetic lover I'd like to do this one.
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    Normal/Flying

    BOLD things are useful.

    Base Stats: 55HP/40Atk/85Def/80SpA/105SpD/40Spe

    Level Up Moves
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    Lv 1 Sweet Kiss
    Lv 1 Growl
    Lv 1 Charm
    Lv 1 Metronome
    Lv 1Magical Leaf
    Lv 5 Metronome
    Lv 9 Sweet Kiss
    Lv 13 Yawn
    Lv 17 Encore
    Lv 21 Follow Me
    Lv 25 Bestow
    Lv 29 Wish
    Lv 33 AncientPower
    Lv 37 Safeguard
    Lv 41 Baton Pass
    Lv 45 Double Edge
    Lv 49 Last Resort
    Lv 53 After You


    Egg Moves
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    Extrasensory
    Foresight
    Future Sight
    Lucky Chant
    Mirror Move
    Morning Sun
    Nasty Plot
    Peck
    Present
    Psycho Shift
    Secret Power
    Stored Power


    TM/HM
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    TM03-Psyshock
    TM06-Toxic
    TM10-Hidden Power
    TM11-Sunny Day
    TM15-Hyper Beam
    TM16-Light Screen
    TM17-Protect
    TM18-Rain Dance
    TM19-Telekinesis
    TM20-Safeguard
    TM21-Frustration
    TM22-SolarBeam
    TM27-Return
    TM29-Psychic
    TM30-Shadow Ball
    TM31-Brick Break
    TM32-Double Team
    TM33-Reflect
    TM35-Flamethrower
    TM38-Fire Blast
    TM40-Aerial Ace
    TM42-Facade
    TM44-Rest
    TM45-Attract
    TM48-Round
    TM49-Echoed Voice
    TM56-Fling
    TM59-Incinerate
    TM67-Retaliate
    TM68-Giga Impact
    TM70-Flash
    TM73-Thunder Wave
    TM77-Psych Up
    TM83-Work Up
    TM85-Dream Eater
    TM86-Grass Knot
    TM87-Swagger
    TM90-Substitute
    TM94-Rock Smash
    HM02-Fly

    Generation IV TMs(illegal with DW ability)
    TM01-Focus Punch
    TM03-Water Pulse
    TM34-Shock Wave
    TM43-Secret Power
    TM47-Steel Wing
    TM51-Roost
    TM58-Endure
    TM60-Drain Punch
    TM62-Silver Wind
    TM78-Captivate
    TM82-Sleep Talk
    TM83-Natural Gift
    HM05-Defog


    Tutored Moves
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    Gen III

    Body Slam
    Counter
    Defense Curl
    Double Edge
    Mega Kick
    Mega Punch
    Metronome
    Mimic
    Mud Slap
    Rollout
    Seismic Toss
    Snore
    Softboiled
    Swift

    Gen IV
    Air Cutter
    Endeavor
    Headbutt
    Heal Bell
    Heat Wave
    Last Resort
    Ominous Wind
    Role Play
    Signal Beam
    Tailwind
    Trick
    Zen Headbutt

    Prior Evolution(Togepi)
    Tri Attack(XD Purification move for Togepi)
    Helping Hand(XD Purification move for Togepi)
    Uproar(Pt/HGSS Move tutor)


    Ah, Togetic. Her complete awesomeness in the days of GSC (lol) was ruined when DPP brought its irritating evolution around, the infamous and infuriating Togekiss. This was essentially Togetic's death in Gen IV, but now is its revival. For being able to evolve into Togekiss has allowed Togetic to use the new item Eviolite, which boosts both of it's defenses by 50%. This gives Togetic defenses superior to its evolution (which was no slouch defensively anyway). So, what does Togetic have over, say, Porygon2, who otherwise seems the better NFE staller with useable Special Attack? Well, she has Heal Bell and Wish, which allows Togetic to be much more of a team player than Pory. She also is one of the only pokemon in OU to Baton Pass Nasty Plot, but with BreakPassing now the favoured form of passing Special Attack, this is pretty much redundant.

    Set: TogeTank

    -Toxic
    -Roost/Wish/Softboiled
    -Charm/Protect/Heal Bell/Yawn
    -Charm/Protect/Heal Bell/Yawn
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252HP/252Def/6SpD
    Item: Eviolite

    Defensive Tiers: Physical: 124.25 (to 2 d.p), Special: 122.38

    Put it this way. The standard Impish 252/184/72 defensive Gliscor has a physical defensive tier of 123.45. This means Togetic takes physical hits better than one of the most distinguished physical walls in the metagame right now. While she lacks poison heal and Gliscor's resistances, she instead has Wish, Heal Bell, and Charm in her arsenal. Toxic obviously is your way of doing damage. She isnt the best wish passer with her relatively low HP, but she can do it and it distinguishes him from others. Heal Bell rids Togetic and her teammates of status, Charm halves the attack of your opponent and allows Togetic to survive more physical blows. If you are using Wish, Protect can be used to guarantee healing and stall for more Toxic damage. Finally, a very, very gimmicky option, but AncientPower or Silver Wind can be used in combination with Serene Grace for a 20% chance to increase all of Togetic’s stats.

    Here are some damage calcs for you.

    vs 252 Adamant Machamp DynamicPunch - 30.57 - 36.31%
    vs 252 Adamant Machamp Stone Edge - 40.76 - 48.40%
    vs 252 Jolly Garchomp Outrage - 33.44 - 39.49%
    vs 252 Jolly Garchomp Outrage (-2) - 16.56 - 20.06%.

    These calcs demonstrate TogeTank’s physical bulk. As you can see, with SR absent on your side of the field, Togetic is never 2HKOed by ScarfChomp’s Outrage, allowing you to Charm him or Roost.
    An excellent partner for the Togetank is Magnezone. Togetic can’t touch Steel types, as they are immune to Toxic. Magnezone can trap and kill them effectively, especially Ferrothorn, who could Leech Seed Togetic, and Skarmory, who can set up Spikes and Stealth Rock on the poor hapless fairy.

    Set:Baton Passer

    -Nasty Plot
    -Baton Pass
    -Wish/Roost/Softboiled
    -Thunder Wave/Sweet Kiss/Substitute/Heal Bell/Charm/Protect/AncientPower
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252HP/252Def/6SpD
    Item: Eviolite

    Standard Baton Passer. Togetic is capable of Baton Passing Nasty Plot, unfortunately Volbeat and Gorebyss are now the preferred Special Attack passers with Tail Glow and Shell Smash respectively, so this set faces fierce competition. However, Togetic has a couple of things over these two - the ability to take hits very well even without boosts in its defensive stats, and the ability to heal to obtain multiple boosts. Simply stick Nasty Plot and Baton Pass on there, a recovery move of choice, and a final move of your choice. Protect is only there if you are using Wish, Thunder Wave and Sweet Kiss for annoying purposes, Substitute and Heal Bell to deal with status, and Charm to take on and set up on physical attackers. AncientPower (or Silver Wind) get a mention here for the 20% chance to see Togetic's stats skyrocket, then passing it to another teammate; therefore they are more viable on this set than the previous one.


    As a side note, Togetic gets Super Luck from the Dream World. I can see no real practical use for this, as Togetic is not going to be attacking very often, and if she is, it'll be with Tri Attack or Fire Blast, which both benefit from Serene Grace.


    I hope by doing this people will recognise Togetic’s pure awesomeness and usefulness. Even if he doesn’t make OU, maybe he’ll be a force in UU.
  2. Emperor

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    Probably won't be all too great in Ou as long as porygon2 is still around with it's more hp and trace. Also, sr weakness blah blah blah, 55 base hp blah blag blah
  3. kaonohiokala

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    When I see a Togetic in the Team Preview, I immediately think my opponent sucks.

    I'm sure others feel the same. Perhaps you can write about this in the first post: Togetic can help you play mind games with the opponent by making them think you suck. It's almost like Zoroark, but not quite.
  4. Treadshot A1

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    Aside from being VERY Taunt-weak, Togetic actually isn't half as bad as i first thought. I still think she'll have issues, though, as there are many other physical walls who can also do many other things, and thus be more favorable, especially with Team Preview making variable set pokemon much more sought-after. Togetic becomes slightly predictable, as aside from a Tank, it has little other options, and also no way to hurt stuff reliably outside of Toxic (AncientPower and Silver Wind are, as the OP said, gimmicky).

    I'd like to add, though, that Extrasensory should be considered, as that would give it some way to damage the horde of Fighting types this Generation, especially since some things run Guts to screw over Status users. (The guts comment is mainly directed at Heracross. I'm not sure about this, but i think Roobushin also has Guts?)
  5. xMistyx

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    You could maybe Add (Come up with some) more possible sets.

    Para-Pass (open)
    Really not much too say just a standard Baton Passer really.
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Serene Grass
    EVs: 252HP/252Def/6SpD
    Item: Eviolite
    -Thunder Wave
    -Nasty Plot
    -Baton Pass
    -Substitute/Sweet Kiss/Wish/Ancient Power/Charm
  6. elchupo

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    I don't know, I'm of the opinion that Togetic/W Eviolite is definitely usable. However, as a NastyPasser, it is outclassed by Shell Smash passers and Volbeat (I know which one I would use if I wanted to pass a SpA boost).

    This may be a tad gimmicky (sigh, why am I drawn to these sets...) but what about a bulky Nasty Plot abuser? For a start, 80 SpA is most definitely usable, especially when boosting, and her(?) low Spe isn't an issue when the aim of the set is to be able to take hits.

    Togetic@ Eviolite
    252HP|252 SpA|4 Def
    +Def Nature

    -Nasty Plot
    -Roost
    -Tri Attack
    -Fire Blast/ Flamethrower

    Max SpA EV's means Togetic reaches 518 SpA after one Nasty Plot, and 777 after two (which shouldn't be trouble at all). Roost off the damage taken whilst setting up and proceed to hit stuff. Tri Attack is used for STAB, and has a nice boost under Serene Grace to freeze, burn or paralyse 20% of the time, and Fire Blast/ Flamethrower are to take care of those pesky Steels.
  7. moogleking

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    The Machamp calculation is deceptive; if you Roost against him you lose your Flying type, becoming weak against Dynamic Punch.
  8. xMistyx

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    I think that if I was to go with using that set knowing I would send it on a Machamp I would use Wish and Protect in lieu of Roost and have Charm as the last slot to cripple it/Force a switch.
  9. TM13IceBeam

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    Yeah, Conkelderp has Guts.

    But one thing Togetic lacks over Togekiss, and is the main reason why Togekiss was so annoying in the first place, is Air Slash. Togekiss is mostly used to troll people with TWave+Air Slash, but even that is a poor man's Jirachi(or should we say, it's simply a tankier Jirachi with lower Speed). Togetic's only use is to tank and Toxic people, period.

    As useless as it may be, it'd be great for OP to update with the following:

    TM/HM (open)

    STAB moves are italicised, useful(IMO) stuff are bolded

    TM03-Psyshock
    TM06-Toxic

    TM10-Hidden Power
    TM11-Sunny Day
    TM15-Hyper Beam
    TM16-Light Screen
    TM17-Protect
    TM18-Rain Dance
    TM19-Telekinesis
    TM20-Safeguard
    TM21-Frustration
    TM22-SolarBeam
    TM27-Return
    TM29-Psychic
    TM30-Shadow Ball
    TM31-Brick Break
    TM32-Double Team
    TM33-Reflect
    TM35-Flamethrower
    TM38-Fire Blast
    TM40-Aerial Ace
    TM42-Facade

    TM44-Rest
    TM45-Attract
    TM48-Round
    TM49-Echoed Voice

    TM56-Fling
    TM59-Incinerate
    TM67-Retaliate
    TM68-Giga Impact

    TM70-Flash
    TM73-Thunder Wave
    TM77-Psych Up
    TM83-Work Up
    TM85-Dream Eater
    TM86-Grass Knot
    TM87-Swagger
    TM90-Substitute
    TM94-Rock Smash
    HM02-Fly

    Generation IV TMs(illegal with DW ability)
    TM01-Focus Punch
    TM03-Water Pulse
    TM34-Shock Wave
    TM43-Secret Power
    TM47-Steel Wing
    TM51-Roost
    TM58-Endure
    TM60-Drain Punch
    TM62-Silver Wind
    TM78-Captivate
    TM82-Sleep Talk
    TM83-Natural Gift
    HM05-Defog


    Move Tutor/prior evolution moves (open)

    Gen III

    Body Slam
    Counter
    Defense Curl
    Double Edge
    Mega Kick
    Mega Punch

    Metronome
    Mimic
    Mud Slap
    Rollout
    Seismic Toss
    Snore
    Softboiled
    Swift

    Gen IV
    Air Cutter
    Endeavor
    Headbutt
    Heal Bell
    Heat Wave
    Last Resort
    Ominous Wind
    Role Play
    Signal Beam
    Tailwind
    Trick

    Zen Headbutt

    Prior Evolution(Togepi)
    Tri Attack(XD Purification move for Togepi)
    Helping Hand(XD Purification move for Togepi)
    Uproar(Pt/HGSS Move tutor)


    There, should be about it. Serene Grace Tri Attack/Fire Blast may troll here, if possible. Trick also seems great. Psychic over Extrasensory honestly, unless you want the crapload of PP that Extrasensory has. Also, if you want reliable recovery and not for Machamp to own you, use Softboiled. :P
  10. Ubiquitous

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    You are slower than Machamp at 40 base speed, so you get hit before you roost. Therefore the calculation is fine.

    Thanks, I was gonna add a BP set later, but i'll just use this.

    This will be very useful, thanks! Also, while i was going through the tutor move list, i noticed counter. Could Togetic pull off a half decent surprise counter set, even with her low HP?
  11. TorchicBlaziken

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    You mean SmashPassing.
  12. PokéMontage

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    I don't know...as I've said before, I just don't see Togetic getting much use outside of NU. While it does have good defenses with Eviolite and is usable, why exactly would you choose it over some of the other choices out there? Porygon2, Smashpassers, Mew, Chansey, Togekiss - it looks as if there's always something that outclasses Togetic at whatever you try to make it do.
  13. Elite_Battle_Master

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    I use Togetic on my triples team as a support 'mon and it is very good at what it does. Granted, it's pretty much dead after one turn, but once Primeape is at max attack, it does not matter.

    Togetic @ Eviolite
    EV's: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
    -Follow Me
    -Heal Bell
    -Reflect
    -Roost

    Primeape @ Lum Berry
    EV's: 6 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spe
    Ability: Anger Point
    Nature: Adamant
    -Earthquake
    -Rock Slide
    -filler
    -filler

    Articuno
    Nature: Timid
    -Frost Breath
    -Tailwind
    -filler
    -filler
  14. TM13IceBeam

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    Yache Berry doesn't work on Primeape because it isn't weak to Ice...
  15. Elite_Battle_Master

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    that was a copy and paste from an old notepad document. Supposed to be Lum berry. lol
  16. TogeticTheRuler

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    I've been trying out Eviolite Togetic and I gotta say, it's fun to play with and works with prediction.

    Set I've been using:
    252 hp/252 def Bold
    Wish
    Nasty Plot
    Baton Pass
    Encore

    Come in on a set upper or predict a set up move such as stealth rocks or calm mind and encore it. Now it either goes like this: They switch out or stay in thinking Togetic is not a threat. I either use Nasty Plot to pass onto my special attackers or I use Baton Pass to switch to something that can threaten the setter upper.

    It works in these situations that aren't too uncommon. However the flaw is that because Togetic is slow and doesn't have Prankster, it requires prediction or coming on a really slow pokemon like Reuniclus to be able to stop set ups and bring your own set up in.

    As for defensive capabilities, it takes uninvested supereffective hits pretty well. It's no Porygon or Chansey, but it can take good enough hits to be able to Wish and baton pass
  17. Flareon

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    I like Togetic more than Togekiss, but togekiss has a nice sp.atk coupled with reasonable bulk. Then Again, togetic has more bulk with evolite, and still a fairly decent 80 Sp.atk, but low speed. Togetic is taunt bait however on defensive sets, and offensive sets are outclassed by Togekiss.
  18. Chill

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    You can't use tri attack and nasty plot together.
  19. Chill

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    It just hit me that Togetic can learn seismic toss in RSE. This would give you a way to deal a solid 100 damage each turn as well as prevent you from being complete taunt bait.

    Something like:

    Charm
    Roost/Softboiled/Wish
    Seismic Toss
    Toxic/Yawn/Protect

    edit: Throw heal bell in there somewhere for good measure.
  20. SalTheThief

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    So why wouldn't I use Blissey (or even Chansey if we're talking Eviolite users) again?
  21. R4GEKILL

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    Togetic gets Softboiled in FRLG, giving it reliable healing...
    But Togetic is overall just a bad poke. All of it's redeeming qualities are kinda outclassed by many different things... If you want to run togetic, play middle cup. LOL.
  22. bluemon

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    then again, its outclassed by chansey.
  23. TM13IceBeam

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    Roost > Softboiled. Just sayin'.

    Although technically, both don't really have a difference since Togetic is slow, but still.
  24. h20mon

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    Wouldn't most of togekiss's support sets be viable on togetic?
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    Derp. Anyways, what in the holy mother of fuck does this have over chansey?

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