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Tornadus-T (Ubers Analysis) GP (2/2)

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  1. polop

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    I implemented almost all of the above GP Check (There were a few (as in around 4 or less) parts that I felt were fine the way they were). Thank you Swamp Rocket for the check :P.
  2. Bossness

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    The evs in the life orb attacker are bad: evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    The extra hp makes it take extra damage from life orb and stealth rock. Tornadus-T is already at a life orb number when uninvested. The remaining 4 evs should be placed into defense.
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    EVs now transferred into Defense. Thank you :P.
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    [Overview]

    <p>When looking at Tornadus-T's generally disappointing base stats, one may question why it deserves to be used in the Uber tier. Its Special Attack stat is mediocre at best, lower then every other specially offensive Pokemon in the Uber tier, forcing it to use Choice Specs or Life Orb to gain sufficient power to threaten its foes. To make things worse its most powerful STAB move, Hurricane, is largely useless and unreliable outside of rain. On top of this, its Flying typing and underwhelming defenses make killing it easy. So how does Tornadus-T manage to be useful in the Uber tier, threatening both stall and offensive teams alike? The answer is simple: Regenerator.</p>

    <p>Because of Regenerator and an immunity to Spikes, Tornadus-T is the only Pokemon viable in Ubers that regains all HP it lost from entry hazards when switching out of battle. When combined with its high base 121 Speed, which allows it to outspeed Arceus, and its access to Taunt, you have a Pokemon that can break stall at any time of the match, regardless of circumstances. These boons don't make up for all of Tornadus-T's shortcomings though, and it faces immense competition as a stallbreaker from Shaymin-S, who boasts more Speed, Special Attack, Serene Grace Air Slash, and Leech Seed at the price of Regenerator and Hurricane. All in all, support it well, use it to its strengths, and you will have a monster on your hands.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Attacker
    move 1: Hurricane
    move 2: Focus Blast / Superpower
    move 3: Grass Knot / U-turn
    move 4: Taunt
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Timid / Naive
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Tornadus-T's ability to heal all damage from entry hazards simply from switching out, coupled with its ability to release strong Hurricanes, make it a huge threat to stall teams. Combine this with the ability to prevent the enemy from healing by using Taunt, and you get one of the scariest stallbreakers in the Uber tier. To add icing to the cake, Tornadus-T can combine Regenerator with Life Orb to essentially get a "free power boost" to its attacks, as Regenerator will heal Life Orb damage.</p>

    <p>Hurricane is a strong STAB that allows Tornadus-T to dent all walls not named Chansey as long as they don't resist it in the rain. Superpower pairs well with Hurricane coverage-wise, obliterating Blissey and Tyranitar, and when used in conjunction with Taunt, it allows Tornadus-T to remove Chansey from the game. Focus Blast, while it has lower accuracy, lets Tornadus-T hit everything else harder and allows it to OHKO Ferrothorn after it has taken damage from a Hurricane. Grass Knot deals immense damage to Groudon, 2HKOing even the most specially defensive variant. Alternatively, U-turn allows Tornadus-T to take advantage of Regenerator and all the double switches it forces. U-turn also allows Tornadus-T to beat all Latias that run less then 244 HP EVs that try to switch into its Hurricane after taking damage from Stealth Rock. Lastly, Taunt prevents enemy walls from recovering any HP, and also gives Tornadus-T the ability to beat any Giratina lacking Dragon Tail.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Tornadus-T excels at breaking stall and weakening walls, so sweepers, particularly those that enjoy the removal of Grass Arceus, are great partners for it. Since Tornadus-T already requires Kyogre to boost the accuracy of Hurricane, partners that can take advantage of Swift Swim, such as Kingdra, Kabutops, and Omastar, are welcome. These Pokemon can take advantage of a weakened Giratina and Grass Arceus and proceed to sweep the other team. Zekrom deserves a special mention as it can completely eliminate Pokemon Tornadus-T has trouble killing, such as Giratina, Lugia, and Ho-Oh, while also combining its Volt Switch with Tornadus-T's U-turn to form a VoltTurn chain and keep up momentum.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T's ability to force double switches when used in tandem with entry hazards can result in a massive amount of residual damage. Because of this, partners that can supply Tornadus-T with entry hazards are welcome. Deoxys-S in particular can guarantee at least one layer of Spikes and Stealth Rock while preventing the loss of momentum due to its high speed.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T's niche is stallbreaking for a team that has trouble dealing with hazards and cannot provide Toxic Spikes support. If you are able to fit a Pokemon with Rapid Spin on your team and can provide Toxic Spikes support then you may be using an inferior Shaymin-S. In this case, all Tornadus-T boasts over Shaymin-S is Hurricane, Heat Wave, and Taunt. In contrast, Shaymin-S boasts higher Special Attack, Speed, as well as a non-weather reliant STAB in the form of Serene Grace Air Slash—which can act as both a Taunt and a STAB move stronger then Hurricane if it successfully flinches an opponent.</p>

    <p>Aside from the moves listed on the main set, Tornadus-T can successfully utilize Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ice. The former can wipe out Ferrothorn and Forretress if it isn't raining while the latter easily eliminates Rayquaza. It should be noted, though, that Tornadus-T will find it difficult to use these moves. Forgoing Taunt means that Tornadus-T can no longer beat Giratina without Dragon Tail or prevent other Pokemon from recovering HP. Losing Hurricane means giving up Tornadus-T's strongest STAB while getting rid of Superpower and Focus Blast makes it lose against Tyranitar, Dialga, Chansey, and Blissey. In reality, the only moves it can be effectively used over are Grass Knot and U-turn. However, be aware that without these moves though as Tornadus-T can now no longer create a VoltTurn chain with Zekrom or prevent Groudon from switching into it and removing its rain.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Hurricane
    move 2: Focus Blast
    move 3: Heat Wave
    move 4: U-turn / Hidden Power Ice / Air Slash
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Timid / Naive
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set attempts to increase Tornadus-T's offensive capabilities so that it can more easily break down walls on stall teams. Thanks to its effective immunity to hazards, Tornadus-T can switch in and out as it pleases, without having to worry about the recoil from hazard damage stacking, which is a problem that holds back most Choice item users. Unfortunately, while Tornadus-T's Special Attack is bolstered by Choice Specs, it Special Attack isn't that impressive, as it only reaches a mediocre Special Attack stat of 478 with Choice Specs, four points lower than an unboosted Modest Kyurem-W.</p>

    <p>Hurricane is Tornadus-T's strongest STAB move and 2HKOes practically everything that doesn't resist the move or have a high Special Defense investment. Focus Blast provides necessary coverage, 2HKOing support Dialga and OHKOing Tyranitar with Spikes and a layer of Stealth Rock in the sand. Heat Wave allows Tornadus-T to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress in all weathers barring rain. The last moveslot is based on your team's needs. U-turn allows Tornadus-T to scout what will come in and take advantage of Regenerator. Hidden Power Ice allows Tornadus-T to more reliably OHKO Rayquaza, who would otherwise threaten Tornadus-T thanks to Air Lock lowering Hurricane's accuracy, as well as its resistances to Heat Wave and Focus Blast. Lastly, Air Slash serves as a more reliable, albeit weaker, STAB move that Tornadus-T can use in non-rainy weather.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Rain is mandatory for all Tornadus-T, and this set is no exception. Kyogre is crucial for Tornadus-T as it increases the accuracy of Hurricane, allowing Tornadus-T to spam the move without much of a worry. Tornadus-T also appreciates Swift Swim partners who can clean up after its work is done. Kabutops, Kingdra, Omastar, and Ludicolo can all sweep an opposing team after Tornadus-T has dealt heavy damage to the enemy's walls with its Choice Specs-boosted, STAB Hurricanes.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T appreciates assistance from Pokemon that can get past Chansey, Lugia, Ho-Oh, specially defensive Latias, and Giratina, as all five avoid being 2HKOed by Choice Specs Hurricane. Zekrom perfectly fits Tornadus-T's needs, OHKOing all five of the aforementioned Pokemon with the combination of STAB Bolt Strike and STAB Outrage. To add to that, Zekrom also gets Volt Switch, meaning it can form a VoltTurn core with Tornadus-T, helping their team get free switches and keep momentum. It's a general rule that all VoltTurn cores appreciate entry hazards, and this core is no exception. Pokemon that excel at laying hazards on the field, particularly Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A, are great partners for Tornadus-T. Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A can ensure that both a layer of Spikes and Stealth Rock are on the field while preventing any momentum loss with their high offensive capabilities and their nearly unmatched speed.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Tornadus-T has a few alternate moves that it could use on certain sets but often can't find a spot for. Substitute allows Tornadus-T to take advantage of double switches and Toxic Spikes, as well as preventing status, but it generally can't find the spot to use it, and Shaymin-S can generally utilize Substitute better thanks to its access to Leech Seed. Grass Knot can be used on the Choice Specs set to OHKO Groudon and deal massive damage to Tyranitar and Hippowdon, but Tornadus-T again struggles to find a spot to use it as the other moves on the set all serve important roles. Hammer Arm is a worse Superpower since it lowers one of Tornadus-T's strong points, its Speed, but it can be used if you dislike Superpower's Attack drops. Rain Dance can be used in the third slot of the Life Orb Attacker set, as it allows Tornadus-T to continue spamming Hurricanes even after Tyranitar and Groudon come in, but most of the time it's better off crippling them with Grass Knot. Lastly, Hidden Power Fire is a more accurate alternative to Heat Wave, but it forces a drop in Tornadus-T's Speed that prevents it from Speed-tying with other Tornadus-T.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Countering and revenge killing Tornadus-T is difficult. Its access to Regenerator allows it to fearlessly switch away from any Pokemon it fears may try to revenge it, and it can come back later to continue to release powerful Hurricanes. Because of this, even the bulkiest revenge killers can get worn out if they continuously switch into moves fired off by Tornadus-T.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T, however, is relatively easy to wall. Specially defensive Giratina, standard Ho-Oh, and Great Wall Lugia avoid getting 2HKOed by every attack Tornadus-T can throw at them if Stealth Rock is not up. Giratina and Lugia can then Dragon Tail Tornadus-T out, regardless of whether or not it packs Taunt, while Ho-Oh can Brave Bird Tornadus-T to its doom. Latias can also check all Tornadus-T, as it is able to avoid being 2HKOed by any of its moves with a defensive spread consisting of 252 HP EVs and 40 Special Defense EVs, but beware as it takes heavy damage from U-turn.</p>

    <p>If you lack a Lugia, Ho-Oh, Latias, or Giratina, you can try to figure out what set Tornadus-T's using and then deduce what moves it is running. If Tornadus-T is not running Superpower, Chansey can switch into Tornadus-T and absorb all of its attacks, retaliating with a 4HKO from Seismic Toss. Beware though as Taunt will prevent Chansey from using Softboiled and Regenerator allows Tornadus-T to recover the damage it takes from a single Seismic Toss. If Tornadus-T lacks Heat Wave or is in the rain and lacks Taunt, Jirachi and Skarmory can switch into and inflict status upon Tornadus-T.</p>

    <p>If you lack these Pokemon as well, then you might as well try to have a Pokemon that can tank a hit and kill it. Electric Arceus, Steel Arceus, and Zekrom can switch into Tornadus-T and strike it down with their Judgments and Bolt Strikes, respectively. Beware, though, as Steel Arceus in particular will take huge amounts of damage from Choice Specs Focus Blasts and sun-boosted Heat Waves.</p>

    <p>If all else fails, then you can resort to revenge killing Tornadus-T, but be aware that Tornadus-T can always switch out from whatever Pokemon you try to use. Virtually every Pokemon whose Speed is boosted by a Choice Scarf, Swift Swim, Chlorophyll, Sand Rush, or anything with a priority move will be able to KO Tornadus-T with a STAB move before it can move. Zekrom deserves a second mention at its ability to revenge kill Tornadus-T. It can use Volt Switch to either scout what Pokemon Tornadus-T may try to switch into or kill Tornadus-T should it decide to stay in.</p>


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  5. polop

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    Thanks for the check Oglemi! Its been implemented :P.
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    Those extra EVs in the Life Orb set went back to HP after Oglemi's check and should definitely be put somewhere else. Even on the Choice set, those four EVs may be better off put in a Defense or even Attack (though the latter would be weird with Timid as the main slash). If Stealth Rock is on the field, 0 HP is very slightly inferior because those EVs give you one more point total, Stealth Rock just takes one more HP away, and Regenerator heals by one more point. The net result is that you are always at the same health switching into Stealth Rock whether or not those EVs are put in HP. If Stealth Rock is not in play, then those 4 HP EVs would bring the HP to 300, which is fantastic to get the most out of Regenerator. However, all this is super marginal and probably won't matter at all 99% of the time for the Choice set. Just putting this stuff out there!
  7. polop

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    Eh, I just put it in attack anyway. Timid was there since it kept that little bit of bulk in exchange for U-turn being less powerful (which rarely matters unless Lati@s).

    Fixed the EVs. I accidentally fixed the wrong spread when changing EVs X_X. Thanks for finding that flaw focus.
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    GP check again now that I can stamp these. Good job. Not much I can see left to say.
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    [Overview]

    <p>When looking at Tornadus-T's generally disappointing base stats, one may question why it deserves to be used in the Uber tier. Its Special Attack stat is mediocre at best, lower then every other specially offensive Pokemon in the Uber tier, forcing it to use Choice Specs or Life Orb to gain sufficient power to threaten its foes. To make things matters worse (add comma) its most powerful STAB move, Hurricane, is largely useless and unreliable outside of rain. On top of this, its Flying typing and underwhelming defenses make killing it easy. So how does Tornadus-T manage to be useful in the Uber tier, threatening both stall and offensive teams alike? The answer is simple: Regenerator.</p>

    <p>Because of Regenerator and an immunity to Spikes, Tornadus-T is the only Pokemon viable in Ubers that regains all HP it lost from entry hazards when switching out of battle. When combined with its high base 121 Speed, which allows it to outspeed Arceus, and its access to Taunt, you have a Pokemon that can break stall at any time of the match, regardless of circumstances. These boons don't make up for all of Tornadus-T's shortcomings though, and it faces immense competition as a stallbreaker from Shaymin-S, who boasts more Speed, (remove comma) and Special Attack, Serene Grace Air Slash, and Leech Seed at the price of Regenerator and Hurricane. All in all However, support it well, use it to its strengths, and you will have a monster on your hands.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Attacker
    move 1: Hurricane
    move 2: Focus Blast / Superpower
    move 3: Grass Knot / U-turn
    move 4: Taunt
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Timid / Naive
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Tornadus-T's ability to heal all damage from entry hazards simply from by switching out, coupled with its ability to release strong Hurricanes, make makes it a huge threat to stall teams. Combine this with the ability to prevent the enemy from healing by using Taunt, and you get one of the scariest stallbreakers in the Uber tier. To add icing to put icing on the cake, Tornadus-T can combine Regenerator with Life Orb to essentially get a "free power boost" to free power boost on all its attacks, as Regenerator will heal Life Orb damage.</p>

    <p>Hurricane is a strong STAB that allows Tornadus-T to dent all walls not named Chansey in the rain as long as they don't resist it in the rain. Superpower pairs well with Hurricane coverage-wise, obliterating Blissey and Tyranitar, and when used in conjunction with Taunt, it allows Tornadus-T to remove Chansey from the game. Focus Blast, while it has lower accuracy, lets Tornadus-T hit everything else harder and allows it to OHKO Ferrothorn after it has taken damage from a Hurricane. Grass Knot deals immense damage to Groudon, 2HKOing even the most specially defensive variant. Alternatively, U-turn allows Tornadus-T to take advantage of Regenerator and all the double switches it forces. U-turn also allows Tornadus-T to beat all Latias that run less then 244 HP EVs that and try to switch into its Hurricane after taking damage from Stealth Rock. Lastly, Taunt prevents enemy walls from recovering any HP, and also gives Tornadus-T the ability to beat any Giratina lacking Dragon Tail.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Tornadus-T excels at breaking stall and weakening walls, so sweepers, particularly those that enjoy the removal of Grass Arceus, are great partners for it. Since Tornadus-T already requires Kyogre to boost the accuracy of Hurricane, partners that can take advantage of with Swift Swim, such as Kingdra, Kabutops, and Omastar, are welcome. These Pokemon can take advantage of a weakened Giratina and Grass Arceus and proceed to sweep the other team. Zekrom deserves a special mention as it can completely eliminate Pokemon Tornadus-T has trouble killing, such as Giratina, Lugia, and Ho-Oh, while also combining its Volt Switch with Tornadus-T's U-turn to form a VoltTurn chain and keep up momentum.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T's ability to force double switches when used in tandem with entry hazards can result in a massive amount of residual damage. Because of this, partners that can supply Tornadus-T with entry hazards are welcome. Deoxys-S in particular can guarantee at least one layer of Spikes and Stealth Rock while preventing the loss of momentum due to its high speed Speed.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T's niche is stallbreaking for a team that has trouble dealing with hazards and cannot provide Toxic Spikes support. If you are able to fit a Pokemon with Rapid Spin on your team and can provide Toxic Spikes support then you may be using an inferior Shaymin-S. In this case, all Tornadus-T boasts over Shaymin-S is Hurricane, Heat Wave, and Taunt. In contrast, Shaymin-S boasts higher Special Attack, (remove comma) and Speed as well as a non-weather reliant STAB in the form of Serene Grace Air Slash—which can act as both a Taunt and a STAB move stronger then Hurricane if it successfully flinches an opponent.</p>

    <p>Aside from the moves listed on the main set, Tornadus-T can successfully utilize Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ice. The former can wipe out Ferrothorn and Forretress if it isn't raining while the latter easily eliminates Rayquaza. It should be noted, though, that Tornadus-T will find it difficult to use these moves. Forgoing Taunt means that Tornadus-T can no longer beat Giratina without Dragon Tail or prevent other Pokemon from recovering HP. Losing Hurricane means giving up Tornadus-T's strongest STAB while getting rid of Superpower and Focus Blast makes it lose against Tyranitar, Dialga, Chansey, and Blissey. In reality, the only moves it Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ice can be effectively used over are Grass Knot and U-turn. However, be aware that without these moves Tornadus-T can no longer create a VoltTurn chain with Zekrom or prevent Groudon from switching into it and removing its rain.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Hurricane
    move 2: Focus Blast
    move 3: Heat Wave
    move 4: U-turn / Hidden Power Ice / Air Slash
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Timid / Naive
    evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set attempts to increase Tornadus-T's offensive capabilities so that it can more easily break down walls on stall teams. Thanks Unlike most Choice item users, thanks to its effective immunity to hazards, Tornadus-T can switch in and out as it pleases, without having to worry about the recoil from hazard damage stacking, which is a problem that holds back most Choice item users. Unfortunately, while Tornadus-T's Special Attack is bolstered by Choice Specs, it Special Attack still isn't that impressive, as it only reaches a mediocre Special Attack stat of 478 with Choice Specs, four points lower than an unboosted Modest Kyurem-W.</p>

    <p>Hurricane is Tornadus-T's strongest STAB move and 2HKOes practically everything that doesn't resist the move it or have high Special Defense investment. Focus Blast provides necessary coverage, 2HKOing support Dialga and OHKOing Tyranitar with Spikes and a layer of Stealth Rock in the sand. Heat Wave allows Tornadus-T to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress in all weathers barring other than rain. The last moveslot is based on your team's needs. U-turn allows Tornadus-T to scout what will come in and take advantage of Regenerator. Hidden Power Ice allows Tornadus-T to more reliably OHKO Rayquaza, who would otherwise threaten Tornadus-T thanks to Air Lock lowering Hurricane's accuracy, (remove comma) as well as and its resistances to Heat Wave and Focus Blast. Lastly, Air Slash serves as a more reliable, albeit weaker, STAB move that Tornadus-T can use in non-rainy weather.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Rain is mandatory for all Tornadus-T, and this set is no exception. Kyogre is crucial for Tornadus-T's success as it increases the accuracy of Hurricane, allowing Tornadus-T to spam the move without much of a worry. Tornadus-T also appreciates Swift Swim partners who can clean up after its work is done. Kabutops, Kingdra, Omastar, and Ludicolo can all sweep an opposing team after Tornadus-T has dealt heavy damage to the enemy's walls with its Choice Specs-boosted, STAB Hurricanes.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T appreciates assistance from Pokemon that can get past Chansey, Lugia, Ho-Oh, specially defensive Latias, and Giratina, as all five avoid being 2HKOed by Choice Specs Hurricane. Zekrom perfectly fits Tornadus-T's needs, OHKOing all five of the aforementioned Pokemon with the combination of STAB Bolt Strike and STAB Outrage. To add to that, Zekrom also gets Volt Switch, meaning it can form a VoltTurn core with Tornadus-T, helping their team get free switches and keep momentum. It's a general rule that all VoltTurn cores appreciate entry hazards, and this core is no exception. Pokemon that excel at laying hazards on the field, particularly Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A, are great partners for Tornadus-T it. Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A can ensure that both a layer of Spikes and Stealth Rock are on the field while preventing any momentum loss with their high offensive capabilities and their nearly unmatched speed Speed.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Tornadus-T has a few alternate moves that it could use on certain sets but often can't find a spot for. Substitute allows Tornadus-T to take advantage of double switches and Toxic Spikes, as well as preventing status, but it generally can't find the spot to use a spot for it, and Shaymin-S can generally can utilize Substitute better thanks to its access to Leech Seed. Grass Knot can be used on the Choice Specs set to OHKO Groudon and deal massive damage to Tyranitar and Hippowdon, but Tornadus-T again struggles to find a spot to use for it as the other moves on the set all serve important roles. Hammer Arm is a worse Superpower since it lowers one of Tornadus-T's strong points, its Speed, but it can be used if you dislike Superpower's Attack drops. Rain Dance can be used in the third slot of the Life Orbed Orb set, as it allows Tornadus-T to continue spamming Hurricanes even after Tyranitar and Groudon come in, but most of the time it's better off crippling them with Grass Knot. Lastly, Hidden Power Fire is a more accurate alternative to Heat Wave, but it forces a drop in Tornadus-T's Speed that prevents it from Speed-tying Speed tying with other Tornadus-T.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Countering and revenge killing Tornadus-T is difficult. Its access to Regenerator allows it to fearlessly switch away from any Pokemon it fears may try that tries to revenge it, (remove comma) and it can come back later to continue to release powerful Hurricanes. Because of this, even the bulkiest revenge killers can get worn out down if they continuously switch into moves fired off by Tornadus-T.</p>

    <p>Tornadus-T, however, is relatively easy to wall. Specially defensive Giratina, standard Ho-Oh, and Great Wall Lugia avoid getting 2HKOed by every attack Tornadus-T can throw at them if Stealth Rock is not up. Giratina and Lugia can then Dragon Tail Tornadus-T out, regardless of whether or not it packs Taunt, while Ho-Oh can Brave Bird Tornadus-T to its doom. Latias can also check all Tornadus-T, as it is able to avoid being 2HKOed by any of its moves with a defensive spread consisting of 252 HP EVs and 40 Special Defense EVs, but beware as it takes heavy damage from U-turn.</p>

    <p>If you lack a Lugia, Ho-Oh, Latias, or Giratina, you can try to figure out what set Tornadus-T's using and then deduce what moves it is running. If Tornadus-T is not running Superpower, Chansey can switch into Tornadus-T and absorb all of its attacks, retaliating with a 4HKO from Seismic Toss. Beware (add comma) though (add comma) as Taunt will prevent Chansey from using Softboiled and Regenerator allows Tornadus-T to recover the damage it takes from a single Seismic Toss. If Tornadus-T lacks Heat Wave or is in the rain and lacks Taunt, Jirachi and Skarmory can switch into and inflict status upon Tornadus-T.</p>

    <p>If you lack these Pokemon as well, then you might as well try to have a Pokemon that can tank a hit and kill it. Electric Arceus, Steel Arceus, and Zekrom can switch into Tornadus-T and strike it down with their Judgments and Bolt Strikes, respectively. Beware, though, as Steel Arceus in particular will take huge amounts of damage from Choice Specs Focus Blasts and sun-boosted Heat Waves.</p>

    <p>If all else fails, then you can resort to revenge killing Tornadus-T, but be aware that Tornadus-T can always switch out from whatever Pokemon you try to use. Virtually every Pokemon whose Speed is boosted by a Choice Scarf, Swift Swim, Chlorophyll, or Sand Rush, (remove comma) or and anything with a priority move will be able to KO Tornadus-T with a STAB move before it can move. Zekrom deserves a second mention at its ability to revenge kill Tornadus-T. It can use Volt Switch to either scout what Pokemon Tornadus-T may try to switch into or kill Tornadus-T should it decide to stay in.</p>


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  9. polop

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    Thanks for the GP check melvni! Its been implemented.

    This is now ready to be uploaded.
  10. Bossness

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    I have a question here. Why are you comparing a pokemon's special attack stat with a pokemon? Should'nt their Special Attack stats be compared? The line should be."four points lower than an unboosted Modest Kyurem-W's Special Attack stat" - or something similar.
  11. polop

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    I asked Poppy to help me fix it and he told me to replace the entire sentence with what's below.

    Unfortunately, Tornadus-T's Special Attack is less than impressive; when boosted by Choice Specs, it is still 4 points lower than that of Kyurem-W's unboosted.

    That should fix everything. This is now ready to be uploaded.
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