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If you can give a single instance where torture would have saved "hundreds or thousands of lives" where moral interrogation methods wouldn't have also worked, I'll eat my hat.One terrorist scumbag who hides behind womens' skirts and uses children as human shields temporary and reversible discomfort in exchange for hundreds or thousands of lives? Call me the king of hypocrite nation, then. The two aren't even remotely close in comparison.
Except when torture does kill people. (http://www.shrc.org/data/aspx/d5/3775.aspx)Torture doesn't kill, it only causes pain enough to seek information.
Those militaries would undoubtedly have been more successful if they had used other methods of interrogation.Why don't you google it, am I your mother? Or is thousands of years of successful militaries utilizing torture not a strong enough test?
And Here's John McCain, who was tortured, saying that he is "obviously" against torture:And Here's John McCain, who was tortured, making the same exact argument: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/29/100012.shtml
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/31/mccain-torture-waterboarding/
What did McCain have to say about torturing?
I obviously don’t want to torture any prisoners.
Actually, the facts are that you get more information more reliably if you don't torture.And torture does not solely mean waterboarding. The two are not synonymous. Sleep deprivation is a standard coercion tactic. The fact is you can't get infromation from an enemy by playing chamberlain and offering them tea and crumpets. Coercion tactics have been used for tactical information throughout history. The idea the practice only came into vogue because humanity of previous ages were barbarians is ridiculous. We've had plenty of barbarians hanging around since 1933 and even today.
yeah, except you can't just waterboard people in the middle of the battlefield. We torture people in secret prisons with physicians standing there in case they are about to die. It's hardly spontaneous.Where are these non-uniformed, armed combatants captured? A battlefield. You can't really interrogate someone in the middle of a battlefield, you have to extract information later. Even then, torture is only used as a last resort, not a first resort.
Not only does torture go against everything the United States stands for, IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK. Real life is not an episode of "24".