Granted, I completely forgot about Double Dragon, but without Rayquaza, Mence is just outclassed.Salamence is extremely effective when paired with DDQuaza (assuming Mixmence).
Granted, I completely forgot about Double Dragon, but without Rayquaza, Mence is just outclassed.Salamence is extremely effective when paired with DDQuaza (assuming Mixmence).
Oh I never said that this way to calculate the stats is bad. Infact it gives us a little leeway with the stats and shows us what is actually being used. The biggest difference is that those pokemon will eat up a bit more of the stat total (total percentage should equal 600%), but that doesn't matter too much, if needed we can move the OU Cutoff around till we find the optimized point.This is certainly an imperfect solution, given that
A cursory glance at the stats shows that, indeed, leads, weather-abusers, scouts and pivots all have gotten a bit of a boost from this method of stat calculation (just one more piece of data: keep in mind that the average number of pokemon per battle for OU is 10.2). Still, it's not a *bad* option, IMO.
I really don't think there's any way to reconcile the old and new ways of calculating the stats.
Since the stats CAN'T be calculated the old way for August (and, presumably, September), we need to decide whether to (1) arbitrarily weight August vs. May/June to come up with new usage-based tiers, (2) discard August's (and the first half or more of September's) stats and instead mesh May/June with data generated from an updated server (either Innocent Criminal's patch, when he develops it, or the 1.0.30 official update) or (3) discard May/June, and do two more months of stats with this method (or a modified method that can be done using the existing raw data) before generating new tiers.
Very good. Someone give this man (woman?) a cookie. I contacted R_D this morning and am waiting to hear back, but I wouldn't count on these stats still existing.couldn't we do Antar style stats for May and June? If the logs are still around, it would give us a chance both to get more Antar style data and to get a better understanding of what the difference is when each is used on the same set of information.
referring to your previous comment, garchomp isn't "outclassed" by the others in the Ubers. The choice scarf set is fantastic and the SD set is also decent (though I do consider the sd set sort of outclassed by the other two sd dragons)Granted, I completely forgot about Double Dragon, but without Rayquaza, Mence is just outclassed.
oh well, at least i triedThis is certainly an imperfect solution, given that
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I'll try to give you the short version.I've kinda been outta the pokemon thing for a while, so can someone explain why Gastrodon is OU now. lol, the tier list for this generation is seriously playing games with my head....
UU Mew..
UU Zapdos...
That isn't Zapdos' only problem. There are also many faster mons like Lati@s, and the sand sweepers, and high power dragons that make it hard for Zapdos to switch in. Latias, which is increasing in popularity, also walls and sets-up on Zapdos.Zapdos: Outclassed in most cases by Thundorus.
Mew: The former hype is over. It was finally figured out Mew isn't that good, despite it's near bottomless move pool. All it's really good at now days is Baton Passing.
Eh i wouldnt say jirachi's a better wall...meta has cb pursuit, priority, higher defence...and toge is hardly comparable. Personally i think jirachi is used more because it can abuse rain more then meta and toge is weak to rotom-h.Metagross and Togekiss are only dropping because of Jirachi being used so much. :P Jirachi's a better wall than the former thanks to recovery and team support, whilst Jirachi does the flinching thing better than Togekiss.
Except sub roost is horrible now due to shit like the fetus (forget the name), ferothorn, exadrill, etcZapdos is actually somewhat decent, but thanks to Thundurus its forced to take on a more defensive role of using Pressure + Substitute to stall. And well, when a defensive Pokemon is weak to SR, this isn't exactly ideal.
also everybody's flying-type of choice is Dragonite anyway :/
Yeah, just reading this made me laugh out loud. Your ghetto ranking collection method is most definitely badass. Like, bare-hand-underwater-great-white-shark-wrestling badass.Innocent Criminal would laugh if he could see what I did.
August was a light month, with only about 3/4 of the battles of previous months (IIRC), and the zip file was 800MB. I didn't even check how large it was unzipped.Out of curiosity, how heavy are a month of battle logs ? It's probably waaaay too massive for my crappy connection to download...
Zapdos gets Heat wave.Except sub roost is horrible now due to shit like the fetus (forget the name), ferothorn, exadrill, etc
Gastrodon is OU primarily because of Drizzle, Thundurus, and Rotom-W. Drizzle makes even resisted Water moves hurt, so having a Pokemon that is immune to water helps with damage control. Also unlike other Water-immune mons, such as Jellicent and Toxicroak, Gastrodon is also immune to Electric, which is another common offense seen in Drizzle. Thus, Gastrodon provides a safe defensive foundation against most Rain offense (except for Hurricane spammers).I've kinda been outta the pokemon thing for a while, so can someone explain why Gastrodon is OU now..
IMO, not being able to use Heat Wave makes Zapdos a poor choice for Drizzle teams. Moreover, its lack of speed hurts. I'd say Jolteon or Raikou would be a more fitting replacement of Thundurus as a speedy Rain Sweeper than Zapdos. They have lower SpAtk, but their speed tiers are great. Although not recommended, Jolteon can go Modest and end up with an almost identical special offense as Thundurus, with 350 SpA / 359 Spe, still checking most of the significant threats (except Starmie).waterwarrior said:I'm pretty sure Zapdos is taking Thundurus's spot on (some) Rain teams if/when Thundurus is banned.
Subroost normally uses Sub Roost Toxic Tbolt in my experiencesZapdos gets Heat wave.
Timid LO Zapdos Heat Wave 2HKO's max/ max Sassy Ferro (plus it outdamages Raikou's Aura Sphere on the same Ferrothorn) and has a 79.5% chance of OHKO'ing standard CB Scizor (gaurenteed OHKO with SR or one layer of Spikes) in Rain. Not something to shrug off just because of the weather. Also, if you lose your Rain due to Sand or Sun (or Hail... I guess), full power Fire move.IMO, not being able to use Heat Wave makes Zapdos a poor choice for Drizzle teams.