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Unresolved Convention Issues

Discussion in 'Archives' started by Rising_Dusk, Jul 1, 2010.

  1. Matthew

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    How is it grammatically incorrect to say spin blocker over spinblocker? in fact it's wrong of us to actually use spinblocker without having to first coin the word itself, which really says quite a bit about it. Once again i'm not for using non-words in an analysis and then just coining them because our writers refuse to do something correctly. Just because it is a norm for a user to put spinblocker doesn't mean we should use it, we should use the best grammar and prose when checking and editing sets, and unfortunately spinblocker doesn't fall under the best.

    STAB, OHKO, sweeper, tank, wall, all of these are pokemon jargon. These aren't made up words, we're just using them in a different way. (Also STAB and OHKO are acronyms but they are still words I guess?) Comparing something like wallbreaker to sweeper is silly, since they're two different things (one's a real word while the other is not)

    I also don't think we should be using outspeed as I mentioned earlier. The correct term is outpace or outrun, or if someone really wants to use it then out speed.
  2. Seven Deadly Sins

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    Coined terms such as wallbreaker, stallbreaker, spinblocker, outspeed, etc. should definitely be allowable, as they are Pokemon jargon just as much as STAB, OHKO, sweeper, tank, and wall are. They're generally accepted, and they're also fairly self-explanatory, so there's no issue of "confusing new users."
  3. Eo Ut Mortus

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    Okay, so basically terms like "wallbreaker" are just as acceptable as terms like "SubSeeder" and "RestTalker". All are coined terms, and none are actual words in the English language. One might argue that the latter are both "Pokemon jargon" as opposed to the former; however, I do not see how this can be true as "wallbreaker" defines a Pokemon designed especially to KO opposing defensive Pokemon.

    I also, for the record, oppose the banning of coined terms on the basis that they make analyses and articles look "unprofessional" for the reasons that SDS has stated.
  4. Dubulous

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    Frankly, I don't understand how "sweeper," "tank," and "wall" can be considered to be Pokemon jargon while terms such as "wallbreaker" is not.

    "Wall" is a coined term by the community used to describe a Pokemon that is exclusively defensive. Similarly, "wallbreaker" is a cointed term by the community used to describe a Pokemon that excells at beating "walls." It's true that "wallbreaker" is not a real word, but I do not think that really matters in this instance; the meaning is clear.

    If we are aiming to be grammatically correct, we should use a hyphen: "wall-breaker." I'm willing to let this slide though since the terms in question are already coined and commonly used.
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    Coined terms are generally accepted in our analyses, so it is completely fine to use them in our analyses. "Spinblocker" is fine, we don't need to use "spin blocker". Also, if a user doesn't understand what "spinblocker", "wallbreaker", or "SubSeed", etc, means, there is a dictionary written specifically for these terms. If a reader doesn't understand these terms, all they have to do is look here and all goes well.
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    The part of my post that you quoted doesn't even say that. It isn't even relevant in terms of grammatical pretenses in the argument between "spin blocker" or "spinblocker". The only argument that can be made here objectively is that spinblocker is not an actual word. My counterargument to that, however, is that it is a coined term much like the dozens upon dozens of other coined Pokemon jargon we use, making it completely fair game.
    They are different, but they're all Pokemon jargon. That's exactly the point, and exactly why wallbreaker, stallbreaker, and spinblocker should be allowed just like outspeed. It's important to balance what the community actually uses with using actual words and so forth. In this sense, I stand by that it's more important and relevant to use these coined terms than to use strange rewritings of them just to satisfy some "correct word" requirement.

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