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Which Pokemon became superstars/hobos in the ADV > D/P transition?
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Interesting fact: Infernape learns Slack Off too. Infernape.
And a pokémon line I'd say got nerfed is Rhyhorn/don/perior. Sure, evolving to get Solid Rock would be a amazing idea, if it could let Rhyperior survive Bubble -_- Giving it Steel/Ground typing instead of Solid Rock would be a lot better.
Stealth Rock smeared a sickly stain of shit on Charizard & Articuno, as well as Regice, among others.
Sandstorm improved most rock types, mainly Cradily and Rhyperior, Rhydon didn't mind that evolution either.
Tangela went from no show to BEAST with the Tangrowth evolution, same for the likes of Yanma, Sneasel and Piloswine.
Gyarados, Salamence, Dragonite, Tyranitar and Metagross all seemed to get even better than they were somehow, which is crazy.
Sandstorm improved most rock types, mainly Cradily and Rhyperior, Rhydon didn't mind that evolution either.
Tangela went from no show to BEAST with the Tangrowth evolution, same for the likes of Yanma, Sneasel and Piloswine.
Gyarados, Salamence, Dragonite, Tyranitar and Metagross all seemed to get even better than they were somehow, which is crazy.
Gyarados and Breloom get the perfect level. The first one, with Physical STAB, better Taunt, and Ice Fang/Stone Edge/Earthquake. The second one, with Poison Heal and Physical Grass attack. Gengar also got Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb STAB'd special, Choice Specs, Life Orb+Explosion... And Tyranitar and his friends (Cradily, Regirock, Shuckle) with their Special Defense improvement.
Regice and Snorlax got nerfed because they need a good recovery move!!. Regice with Recover and Snorlax with Slack Off could help them to be a decent alternative to Blissey. Milotic also lost his defensive status.
Regice and Snorlax got nerfed because they need a good recovery move!!. Regice with Recover and Snorlax with Slack Off could help them to be a decent alternative to Blissey. Milotic also lost his defensive status.
Agreed... but without Rest, Regice can no longer status absorb. I think that the main reason Regice got nerfed was because of SR. Its such a broken move, it's probably the worst idea Nintendo has ever had. It made fire and ice types worse than they already were.
Maybe Clear Body should negate residual damage *drools*
Maybe Clear Body should negate residual damage *drools*
Lol, good idea XD (hi Tentacruel and Metagross) We'd don't even need Ice Shell, in the "create a pokémon" thread.
Heh, we should have Fiery Spikes next generation. An instant burn to all non-flyer, levitator as soon as they come out. Fire Pokemon can absorb it and get flash fire boost. That would totally balance out the game.
Steel/Ground is a terrible typing. At least according to the Smogon D/P analysis of Bastidon, even he takes massive damage with 160 defense from 4x strong EQs.
Nobody has mentioned how Breloom got a really big push with Poison Heal, Seed Bomb, and Stone Edge.
I said Steel/Ground, not Steel/Rock.
And losing the 4x weaks to Water and Grass and the 2x weak to Ice is pretty amazing, IMO.
Funny that after reading this thread i realized i use the 'smurfed' pokemon to uber-success =\ Zam and Medicham are usually in all of my teams and work wonders, i gotta say mine aren't standard though ;)
Yeah, I just realized that after you posted, sorry about that.
Porygon got dramatically improved. P2 still makes a splash thanks to improved Trace (I once traced a dugtrio locked onto sucker punch and set up on it. I then swept the team :P) Trick Room, and special Tri-Attack. Porygon-Z is the only pokemon who OHKOs Bliss with a special move.
Porygon got totally improved in this generation. It went from "interesting tank" to a major threat.
Porygon got totally improved in this generation. It went from "interesting tank" to a major threat.
I'll try not to list people who got evos.
Zapdos took a hit. Not sure why either, it got more toys to play with but is apparently not good enough.
Raikou also took a hit. Curse of the electrics? (Too many Blissey/Garchomp?)
Aerodactyl took a huge hit. He's just not strong enough and/or needs Head Smash.
Tentacruel got a huge jump. Thank you Toxic Spikes!
Zapdos took a hit. Not sure why either, it got more toys to play with but is apparently not good enough.
Raikou also took a hit. Curse of the electrics? (Too many Blissey/Garchomp?)
Aerodactyl took a huge hit. He's just not strong enough and/or needs Head Smash.
Tentacruel got a huge jump. Thank you Toxic Spikes!
I don't think zap/rai got a hit, neither one of them. It's just that 1) finding good raikou/zapdos is hard work 2) people rather drop them for better options 3) both zap/rai are kinda predictable, ESPECIALLY raikou. Don't get me wrong but, they're still good at what they do best. Just not THE best.
Electric means trouble if you're locked into an attack with a choice item, which zapdos usually uses. I think HP grass is extremely important for both of them. And zapdos hates SR when he gets walled and has to switch out, and if the opponent outpredicts him using roost...roost is exactly what zapdos will be afterwards. I dunno about the shoddy part though, haven't used it in AGES and i think it's changed quite a bit...
Gyarados got a lot better because its #1 Advance counter no longer is a surefire counter, thanks to Stone Edge. All the best "surefire counters" to D/P Gyarados aren't used much anymore, aka bulky waters, Mesprit, Uxie, or Weezing.
I'm sorry to say it, but Blaziken died. Tyranitar is even more common, plus there's new weather-changers in Hippowdon and Abomasnow. Plus it's entirely outclassed by the likes of Heracross and Infernape when equipped with a Choice Band or else Swords Dancing. If only Gamefreak had given it Close Combat instead of fucking BRAVE BIRD.
Starmie and Alakazam both got worse thanks to Weavile.
I'm sorry to say it, but Blaziken died. Tyranitar is even more common, plus there's new weather-changers in Hippowdon and Abomasnow. Plus it's entirely outclassed by the likes of Heracross and Infernape when equipped with a Choice Band or else Swords Dancing. If only Gamefreak had given it Close Combat instead of fucking BRAVE BIRD.
Starmie and Alakazam both got worse thanks to Weavile.
For the record, evolving shouldn't be considered the same sort of improvement that getting new moves/etc is. However, even without evolution, Sneasel improved quite a bit with it's dual physical STABs, Ice Shard, and physical Pursuit.
If it hadn't evolved, Magneton probably would've gotton a pretty big nerf in the form of Shed Shell.
If it hadn't evolved, Magneton probably would've gotton a pretty big nerf in the form of Shed Shell.
Lets see
I see a lot less weezings now, I never played competitive advanced, but from what my research of past gens show weezing was pretty good, now I rarely see it.
Blaziken got murdered. No question about it, infernape just raped it.
Alakazam took a huge hit thanks to the returning popularity of pursuit
Medicham went emo when shadow ball got switched to special
Tyranitar is an even greater beast thanks to physical crunch, pursuit, sandstorm special defense upgrade, and stone edge.
Salamance had become feared with extent, now that he can go both ways.(no homo; special and physical you pervs)
Gyarados is even scarier thanks to the likes of taunt and stone edge
Heracross wen from an ok stab to an insane stab along with stone edge, pursuit, and night slash
Raikou somehow got lost, I always thought he was great, guess he's too predictable
Snorlax died, I mean you give a monkey slack off and you don't give the classic sleeping pokemon slack off? Whats wrong with that picture?! Close combat isn't a fresh new look at things for him ether.
I see a lot less weezings now, I never played competitive advanced, but from what my research of past gens show weezing was pretty good, now I rarely see it.
Blaziken got murdered. No question about it, infernape just raped it.
Alakazam took a huge hit thanks to the returning popularity of pursuit
Medicham went emo when shadow ball got switched to special
Tyranitar is an even greater beast thanks to physical crunch, pursuit, sandstorm special defense upgrade, and stone edge.
Salamance had become feared with extent, now that he can go both ways.(no homo; special and physical you pervs)
Gyarados is even scarier thanks to the likes of taunt and stone edge
Heracross wen from an ok stab to an insane stab along with stone edge, pursuit, and night slash
Raikou somehow got lost, I always thought he was great, guess he's too predictable
Snorlax died, I mean you give a monkey slack off and you don't give the classic sleeping pokemon slack off? Whats wrong with that picture?! Close combat isn't a fresh new look at things for him ether.
Both of which still fall below Blissey in the Spdef tiers even in Sandstorm.
What about Milotic? =(
