Baton Pass Gliscor? Who uses that?

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I do :toast:.

This is a new team that I have been testing out to be successful against the current metagame. It has been successful for the most part, but I think it can do much better, which is why I'm posting it here. This would be my first RMT I've posted, but I am experienced with this sort of thing. That being said, any and all suggestions are welcome!

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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- HP Fighting
- Hypnosis

My lead. Scarf Gar has the ability to suprise many things (like Weavile) with a fast sleep or a HP Fighting to the face. It helps add some speed to this team and it functions as my revenge killer for later on in the game. A very useful member of my team needless to say. I orginally had Focus Blast instead of HP Fighting, but I dropped it. Weavile is a common lead, so HP Fighting will take care of him with more relibility than Focus Blast. Tar isn't a good lead for the most part and he would be a main reason for Focus Blast. I don't plan on keeping Gengar in on Blissey.

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Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP/202 Def/56 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Taunt
- Baton Pass
- Earthquake

The Pokemon my team is based around. Gliscor gets alot of free switch ins, and when he does, I start Swords Dancing. Skarmory is usually an impulse switch into SD Gliscor, and he won't like getting Taunted. When I'm all good and set, I make my pass to one of two team members to make my attempted sweep. Earthquake is there to stop SD Lucario and Tyranitar, both whom I don't like. It has enough speed to beat Adamant Breloom so I can Taunt it.
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Metagross @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 150 HP/252 Atk/108 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Thunderpunch

Pass target number one. Metagross takes care of Gliscor's Ice weakness, and loves being passed Swords Dances. It's like a match made in heaven. Obviously the idea of this target is to Rock Polish, then attempt a sweep. With two Swords Dances under its belt, Metagross will 1HKO Skarmory! Shuca Berry is for those Garchomps and Gliscors that try and switch in on my Thunderpunch or ScarfChomp in general. I feel its vital on this set to stop a potential threat from knockng down my plan, and it is one of the ways I can stop Garchomp's terror. 108 Speed is to outrun all of the things trying to outrun Choice Scarf Heracross, while still being bulky enough to take a hit.
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Mamoswine (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 22 HP/252 Atk/236 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Ice Shard
- Stone Edge

My second BP target. I bring in Mamoswine out against faster sweepers that I can barely pass away from Gliscor. Also, Metagross often moves in against some threats but Mamoswine is ususally free of sratches. No setup required with this puppy. Set him down, and sweep. With its amazing STAB type coverage, few will get away from him. 236 Speed EVs with a Jolly Nature puts me ahead of Adamant/ Modest Lucario.
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Machamp (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP/250 Atk/8 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Dynamicpunch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

My sleep-talker and main Blissey switch in. Ice Punch over Stone Edge for Gliscor and Hippo mostly, and also so Garchomp can't pray on the getting in on a Rest-Talked Stone Edge. If need be, Machamp can also get some S(T)Ds from Gliscor.
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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/216 Spd/42 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover

My main switch in to Gyarados, Infernape and SD Garchomp without Sub. I find I don't often use Rapid Spin on Starmie too often, and since none of my Pokes are weak to SR, and many don't care about Toxic Spikes, so I simply took it off. I made the EVs a little more bulky to stand up to Garchomp with more success.

Please Rate! :naughty:
 
Why on earth do you have No Guard on a sleep talking machamp? Get Guts... while asleep, you'll hit extremely hard, which will help make up for the fact that you can't pick moves.

With Adamant and max attack, guts yields 591 attack. FIX IT...
 
I run No Guard becuase DymanicPunch is amazing. It works extremely well, and it makes countering Machamp a more difficult task. That being said, I will consider it...
 
But you can't really use DynamicPunch with Guts Machamp, which is Machamp's major selling point.
 
I'm pretty sure Cross Chop or Brick Break is fine... especially off of 591 attack. The extra damage is worth the lack of "confusion hax".

EDIT: Cross chop is now 80% accurate!! I didn't even know; use it!! use it!! : O
 
Well first off the face that any Salamence will run through your team. Even a physical one, because Gliscor can't even touch it. Also that your team has no way of stopping Starmie. You can't even switch into it. I suggest you add maybe 4 or 8 extra speed EV's on Starmie to make sure you out run others. Lets not forgot about wishing you luck to stop Heatran. Also Scarf Gengar really, REALLy fails now a days, and it isn't a shock to people anymore, we all expect it. You should use SubPunch Gar, and Maybe Scarf Starmie. Since it is bulky'er. Who wants Gengar switching in on Waterfall, when you think gyarados will DD.

Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/20 Spd/232 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
Defensive Form ( Above )

EVs: 156 HP/100 Spd/ 252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Better revenge killing ( Above )
- Surf / Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power Fighting / Psychic / Grass Knot
Note* You outrun, ScarfGar in the process.

It is very effective, just give it a shot before you try and diss it. I also see Staraptor giving you a lot of trouble. Last but no least. Lets also hope you don't even GLANCE at a SpecsLuke, because you can't even slow it down.
 
I don't quite get why you're running both Focus Blast and Hypnosis on Gengar. I can see one or the other on it, but not both. Especially with Scarf. Chances of hax kicking in for both Hypnosis or Focus Blast for ScarfGar is likely. Nothing to do with Scarf but you could be getting screwed over after those miss or they know you're scarfed and switch and play around it. Either drop Scarf, or just drop those 2 moves and replace them. Or replace one or the other. Just my opinion. =/
 
@DZB and MS45: What about running Brozong as the lead? It doesn't get the same kind of kills that Gar would get, but it would help against Mence, and Starmie covers its Fire weak? Or maybe running HP Fighting over Focus Blast on Gengar for more reliability?
 
Maybe... but then I use the main idea I use Gar as a lead... to kill that Lucario, Gyarados or anything else that tries to sweep my team. If I run that set, I seem to be screwing myself over to Weavile, when I could just kill it with HP Fighting. I know it won't do much to Gar, but my team can't really handle Weavile outside of that.
 
At least Gliscor can handle Tyranitar. Weavile would just rape Gliscor. I can set up on Tar.
 
I'm rating this 'cause you told me to and you're a homo

maddog said:
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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast/ HP Fighting (for more relibility?)
- Hypnosis

Drop its speed to 304 and put Destiny Bond on there. If you're using a fighting move, Focus Blast is your only option vs T-Tar, so idk. I'd just replace it with Destiny Bond.

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Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP/202 Def/56 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Taunt
- Baton Pass
- Earthquake

Drop your HP to 352, put it in Defense. What does that outspeed? Jolly T-Tar? If it doesn't that's what I'd make it.

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Metagross @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 150 HP/252 Atk/108 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Thunderpunch

I'd recommend Ice Punch on here for Garchomp as this is your only Outrage resist.

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Mamoswine (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 22 HP/252 Atk/236 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Ice Shard
- Stone Edge

Jolly is meh but okay since you're passing attack to it I guess.

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Machamp (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP/250 Atk/8 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Dynamicpunch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

What's the point of rest-talking on Machamp if you don't have guts?

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/216 Spd/42 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover

Use standard EV spread IMO and put Rapid Spin on there, as you lack it completely. I'd put it over Ice Beam as the lacking Sp. A won't kill Garchomp anyway, and this is your only Gyara counter (Gengar doesn't count)
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I like the Gengar idea, I might give it a shot... I'll go ahead and change the EV spead of Gliscor (the speed is to beat Adamant Breloom). The reason I want to keep Thunderpunch over Ice Punch is for sweeping. As I mentioned earlier, a +4 Atk Thunderpunch will kill Skarmory, so it seems like the best option. Plus, I have the berry.
 
definitely weavile/t-tar weak. pursuit can kill both your special sweepers. that's pretty huge. mamo falls to brick break and ice is 4 x effective on gliscor.

swampert can also give you some problems.
 
animenagai said:
definitely weavile/t-tar weak. pursuit can kill both your special sweepers. that's pretty huge. mamo falls to brick break and ice is 4 x effective on gliscor.
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Sir? Are you feeling healthy?

He has a Machamp, Gliscor, and Metagross. Tell me again how he's Weavile and Tyranitar weak?
 
Anti said:
Drop your HP to 352, put it in Defense. What does that outspeed? Jolly T-Tar? If it doesn't that's what I'd make it.
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Ignore this advice. You actually get worse ability to take physical and special hits by lowering HP in favor of Defense. That's right, HP lets you take physical hits better than Defense EVs do.



Also the reason you use Resttalk on Machamp is to make it last longer and so you can't be easily PP stalled out of DynamicPunch. Fighting + Ice covers most everything, anyway (although ThunderPunch and Payback would be nice).
 
Sir? Are you feeling healthy?

He has a Machamp, Gliscor, and Metagross. Tell me again how he's Weavile and Tyranitar weak?
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Boah is still popular, not to mention, since Gliscor doesn;t have Roost, it won't like coming in off Stone Edge twice in a row or even a Crunch. Also Metagross won't liek too many CB night slashes especially if it doesn't have Bullet Punch. So once it comes in once, he will get 2hko the next time Metagross tries to come in.

But yes Swampert will give you a lot of trouble.
 
Obi said:
Ignore this advice. You actually get worse ability to take physical and special hits by lowering HP in favor of Defense. That's right, HP lets you take physical hits better than Defense EVs do.



Also the reason you use Resttalk on Machamp is to make it last longer and so you can't be easily PP stalled out of DynamicPunch. Fighting + Ice covers most everything, anyway (although ThunderPunch and Payback would be nice).
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Yeah thanks for that Obi. It has to do with his base defense being so much higher than his base HP.
Sir? Are you feeling healthy?

He has a Machamp, Gliscor, and Metagross. Tell me again how he's Weavile and Tyranitar weak?
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Well they aren't flawess counters but they work for the most part
Boah is still popular, not to mention, since Gliscor doesn;t have Roost, it won't like coming in off Stone Edge twice in a row or even a Crunch. Also Metagross won't liek too many CB night slashes especially if it doesn't have Bullet Punch. So once it comes in once, he will get 2hko the next time Metagross tries to come in.

But yes Swampert will give you a lot of trouble.
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My plan against Boah is Machamp. Machamp actually has a higher base SpDef than Def, so it can take Ice Beams with ease. It also makes a decent first switch in to Tyranitar, since it has the Crunch/Stone edge resist. Swampert could be a problem, but I can put it to sleep with Gengar and kill it later. Prediction is my main weapon against Weavile.
 
Since the lack of real advice on what to change, I am going to bump this. Is this team good as is? Or is there any more helpful advice you can offer?
 
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