Freeze is a really interesting case imo because it highlights the problem with defensive counterplay strategies as a whole. Looking at the kyurem freeze specifically (the other one was just a prayer answered), Kyurem's threat level with freeze is so potent because you can't really rely on defensive switch ins that take 30 to 40 if you eventually get frozen. Of course we can cry hax but the reality is if you switch into Ice beam multiple times you can expect a freeze eventually right. Which is why Slowking-G isn't really a "counter" to special attacking Kyurem on it's own because there's always that chance. This definitely makes Kyurem more broken in many people's eyes but is it really that different from something like Shadow Ball Dragapult or Iron Head Excadrill in past generations?Both Anto's first game and xavgb's game this week which was determined by freeze I want to speak about (Anto ended up winning but that's just because he was already far ahead). Freeze needs to get looked at exactly like sleep has, there's no way to stop getting frozen outside switching into a Ice mon or just using Covert Cloak which currently isn't widely used because Hazard stack is such a problem and you prefer to use boots. Only moves that thaw you out which isn't popularly distributed is Flare Blitz, Pyro Ball, Scorching Sand, Scald, Steam Eruption and Matcha Gotcha.
Freeze is a really interesting case imo because it highlights the problem with defensive counterplay strategies as a whole. Looking at the kyurem freeze specifically (the other one was just a prayer answered), Kyurem's threat level with freeze is so potent because you can't really rely on defensive switch ins that take 30 to 40 if you eventually get frozen. Of course we can cry hax but the reality is if you switch into Ice beam multiple times you can expect a freeze eventually right. Which is why Slowking-G isn't really a "counter" to special attacking Kyurem on it's own because there's always that chance. This definitely makes Kyurem more broken in many people's eyes but is it really that different from something like Shadow Ball Dragapult or Iron Head Excadrill in past generations?
Also we can't exactly "look at" freeze as the only way to prevent it would be modding the game or banning all ice moves that freeze lol.
I don’t think there’s a high chance of a Freeze Clause this Gen after the “Sleep Clause is modding and is not cartridge accurate” stuff that happened this Gen.Freeze Clause was implemented in the past and can be implemented again, that being said I said it needs to be looked at which means there needs to be something done whether is banning Kyurem who's the biggest abuser or fix the hazard stack problems and not run boots spam so you have the option to even run Covert Cloak
Freeze Clause was implemented in the past and can be implemented again, that being said I said it needs to be looked at which means there needs to be something done whether is banning Kyurem who's the biggest abuser or fix the hazard stack problems and not run boots spam so you have the option to even run Covert Cloak
Both games you mentionned would have not been affected at all by Freeze Clause, assuming you'd implement it in the same way that not more than one mon can be frozen. I think there is wider discussion to be had on Kyurem and it's ability to get multiple freezes per game more consistently, but Freeze Clause is a totally separate solution that doesn't really do anything here.
That Zama game is just unfortunate, sometimes we gotta just take that L
what, no gimmick for this april fools? not even a suspect?
oh, haha finch, i get it, with a tier like this, who needs jokes?
I'm just bringing up Freeze Clause just because I was responding to the poster that Freeze has been looked at in the past and can, but no Freeze Clause wouldn't have changed the outcome of any of these games but I'm saying something must be done in general because it's a very uncompetitive part when it comes to the meta and that essentially there's no way to counteract that since like I said you kinda need to run boots majority of the games because of hazard stack issues.
I'm still confused how Ghold isn't bannedLando-T beating the fraud allegations, Gholdengo beating the hazard removers
Natdex still has pursuit. That's all I have to say.Also Natdex actually is testing Lugia and they made sure to announce it before April fools even started...
Would have thought we would have tested it first considering it doesn't have toxic or thunder wave in SV...
what, no gimmick for this april fools? not even a suspect?
oh, haha finch, i get it, with a tier like this, who needs jokes?
Who do you think will rise/drop?
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IF I GET RICK ROLLED ONE MORE TIME TODAY I’M GONNA LOSE IT!!!I told you guys about the Dewgong sneak attack!! I managed to get a nice win with it, it really does wonders against Kyurem and could even withstand a Make It Rain from Ghold?! I love you Dewgong I'm never going to give up!! The DEWGONNING!!!
I think I can see why people send death threats over pokemon now.I told you guys about the Dewgong sneak attack!! I managed to get a nice win with it, it really does wonders against Kyurem and could even withstand a Make It Rain from Ghold?! I love you Dewgong I'm never going to give up!! The DEWGONNING!!!
Hey all! I’m washed, could someone give me the overview of what’s happening with OU?
I was playing some UU, and besides only seeing one Boulder, he didn't do anything because I had Scizor and Barraskewda.Boulder is trash
What types of crab? Please say my beloved LO DD Jet Crabhammer Knock Crawdawnt is viable. It’s not landover? Surprising. Quite sad about Boulder, loved the mon. If only it had any other type then Psychic.Garg is back
Boulder is trash
Lando is now top 5 in usage
Teal Mask Ogerpon is good
Balance stonks are raising
Pult is committing tax fraud
Crab offense is fighting the war against big stall
I was playing some UU, and besides only seeing one Boulder, he didn't do anything because I had Scizor and Barraskewda.
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I knew Boulder was a fraud since day 1.
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What does Blaziken even do in this meta anymore?
It sucks vs Balance because most of them carry Gliscor, Dozo, Mola, Tusk, and Zama.
Sucks vs BO/HO since they carry priority, Lando, Dnite, Tusk, Prim, Booster mons, and ofc Zama.
Forget about breaking Stall cause any Stall build that loses to Blaziken wasn’t good to begin with.
It needs Protect cause of Booster mons, so that limits you to Swords Dance, STAB, and the 4th slot. This is a problem for Blaziken who already had a big 4MSS. It can’t carry all the coverage it needs like T-Punch, EQ, and Knock. Even with resistances to Dark, Grass, Fire, and Steel, it doesn’t get many chances to setup due to its inherent frailty.
There’s competition with G-Fire and Cinderace as a physically offensive Fire type.
I might be the biggest Blaziken hater but every meta trend in the past few months has been terrible for it.