the post immediately before this: "hey lily gimme a list of bad ubers and we'll announce that we discussed them just to fuck with people lmao"
I've used meloetta, and meloetta-p isn't bad. Sure, it requires a turn to setup, but with the 20% chance to get a sleep proc, it can be threatening. Then you have a 128/128 monster that can cc so much of the tier. In that regard, its cc is better than zama. Going full physical or special on meleotta I think is a waste of time. However, going mixed is really good on it and allows it to decimate some teams.
I've used t-wave Gambit, so I'll talk about it.
it's important to note that some playstyles require a more aggressive approach to hazard control than the guide makes note of. weather teams, for example, tend to hinge on a mon that's weak to rocks (atales, torkoal, or pelipper) getting multiple switch-ins over the course of a game while not holding boots, and often employ breakers that also don't use boots. i personally get around this by stacking hazard control—for example, on a sun team you might see me running both tusk and hatterene and putting rapid spin on the torkoal for good measure
My man, you can‘t just assume someone doesn’t understand or is incapable of recognizing solutions to a problem, that is absurdly patronizing. I know people go to the forums and parrot rhetoric because they didn’t understand something on the ladder, you can’t always assume that.
Thank you for the non-post. I specifically stated that because I am potentially wrong, and would like to be challenged and have my perspective changed. Even if it’s patiently false through discussion, at least it leads to constructive and efficacious output.
He gave you a good response and listed reasons why a hazard clause would not be a good idea.
saying you're taking any criticism instead of just constructive criticism is the internet equivalent of taping a "kick me" sign to your own back
A hazards clause would be a massive violation of tiering policy (unless you ban all hazards, in which case why). It's an even bigger violation of cart accuracy, and you don't even have some archaic side Pokemon game to justify its existence. Sleep Clause was finally axed, and hazards aren't that big of an issue in the tier right now. If it does rise to be an issue, we can examine its setters (Gliscor in DLC 1) or their enablers (Gholdengo since... forever), but a blanket hazards clause is never going to be implemented no matter the state of the metagame.
Gee, hazards sure have been suddenly constraining and powerful in gen 9 out of the blue. If only there was a reliable way to remove them...
I don't want this to come off as creepy or anything but in the absence of Morkal, need my intake of creativity once in a while. "Forgive me Father, for I have sinned." I am a fiend for this shit bro that's why I'm still in this forum. Also, you got a history of posts like this every so often so I ask you:
There are a few ways to deal with it from what I could see.
also, if you can bait tera on something else and double into it, tusk can just click headlong rush and it can't set up or recoverspam fast enough to win the interaction
Mola can usually stall it out a decent amount. It's not aiming to beat it purely, just take damage so teammates can do the damage without being chipped. Ogerpon can at least try to do some damage, but it's main deal is to lock Garg into something it doesn't want to. For example, if you chip Garg down into recover range, that is free entry for ogerpon as it can waste recover pp, forcing a switch.
Clef sometimes runs knock too on stall.
ok but consider: only legal source of sleep
That's a benefit to it, but 128/128 is really threatening to a lot of teams. If there main source of speed control is Darkrai or weavile, they are screwed. They are forced to use something like valiant earlier on, which you can use to your advantage. Plus, knock is better than crunch, so it's better at dealing with ghold/dragapult. The sleep thing is just the cherry on top, it means something like dozo (who is 4hit KO'd) has to be careful. Meloetta is niche, but if played well, can decimate some teams such as stall. Though mixed meloetta is much better.
