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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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Yes and that has been one thing I have been saying, but let's just focus on a Waterpon or a 2nd Kyurem suspect since their brokenness ties to other stuff.
Done with the philosophical stuff now so no need
It's barely been three months since the last kyurem suspect has been concluded, I don't know if smogon has actual policy for this but it seems like a bit of a slap in the face of anyone who took the time to get reqs and voted no ban to have that invalidated already. Maybe if the majority of the no ban voters from back then turn out to have changed their mind on a tiering survey it could be considered.
If the playerbase feels Kyurem is the most broken thing of OU, this is not a very good argument. I myself think Kyurem is not broken at all though and would Suspect Waterpon (having several other Mon in the list before Kyurem as well).
I think we should take a moment to let things soak in and reassess once everything settles. We do not need another suspect up tomorrow, but obviously the story of SV OU is very much still in-the-making.
ban wellspring now tho finch ?
maybe
Personally, the only thing I think stands out outside the usual suspects Gholdengo / Kingambit (which shouldn't be looked at now) is Roaring Moon. It's very easy to plug and play, Knock + Acro + DD and 4th move is the most common set, you know its coming but there's not much you can do about it. And I still believe it's tera is very much underexplored and people always Tera-Flying. I personally think Roaring Moon feels to be a much needed evil sometime but I feel like if there's anything on the cutting board it's Roaring Moon.
I personally think we shouldn't have a suspect test in the next 30 days, I want people to actually unravel and enjoy the meta as is so they understand there are still things running around loose that personify uncompetitiveness.
I personally think we shouldn't have a suspect test in the next 30 days, I want people to actually unravel and enjoy the meta as is so they understand there are still things running around loose that personify uncompetitiveness.
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roaring moon is literally bad bruh sweeping w that shit is impossible w the 5 million speed control options+prio+helmet+barb that u have to get through with any prospective tera typing/set it doesnt have nearly enough moveslots to have any one set that is ultra consistent at doing anything more than forcing one kill
ban wellspring. it runs cudgel leech/pwhip pr sd and kills everything barring unviable grasses that have no place on a serious team outside of checking wellspring
ban wellspring. it runs cudgel leech/pwhip pr sd and kills everything barring unviable grasses that have no place on a serious team outside of checking wellspring
Banworthy? No. Bad? Yeah that's a take alright. Million speed control? It's literally just scarf Meow (which is shit) that is faster and priority. Yes, it's containable with hazard+chip+other unique options like Barb, but don't exaggerate or make silly claims.
Prim? I can see why honestly. The dam pokemon typing is god-like and it stabs hit the whole meta-game for at least neutral and it bulks means it will always trade 1 for 1 or more, and pray to god it doesn't tera steel or else you're really screwed. I think it speed does hold it back and being susceptible to encore and faster mon is bad, but I'm not against discussions of prim
i've finally done it. i've cracked the da finchy code
"soak", as in the move that turns you into a pure water-type. you know, like how waterpon turns herself into a pure water-type. so the next suspect will be waterpon
if you take away the most commonly occurring letters of the alphabet (r s t l n e) from this phrase, it becomes "adaocvyhig", which is an anagram for "ivy chad a go", meaning that once waterpon goes they're going to decide to ban ivy cudgel instead and free the two banned ogerpons
an obvious reference to when the kyurem suspect ended and the archaludon suspect went up the next day, so you'd think this is clearly laying the groundwork for a second kyurem suspect, if you were a naïve fool who didn't think to look below the surface. in fact, this is actually a reference to their plan to retest gouging fire. think about it: gouging fire was the 11th suspect in sv ou, and kyurem was the 11th suspect last gen. the numbers don't lie
the story of sv. now, what mon is prominently featured in the story of sv? mabosstiff. mabosstiff is a physically offensive dark-type that thrives on predictions. and who else is a physically offensive dark-type that thrives on predictions, that's also extremely centralizing and the most used mon in the tier thanks largely to its incredibly powerful ability and setup potential? that's right, tyranitar in gen 3. so the next course of action will be a policy review regarding whether or not we should mod pursuit back into the game
and here's the final puzzle piece. this could only possibly be a reference to phione, which obviously hatched before it fully developed into a manaphy and is therefore very much still in-the-making. i'm glad the council has plans to get all of these dangerous threats out of the tier
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I'm so proud of Primarina for going from a UU mon with some niche in OU during past gens to an Overused powerhouse. While it is very strong thanks to its great typing + high special stats, most of its sets make it vulnerable to hazards and its combination of low speed + middling physical bulk + lack of reliable recovery give it a fair amount of counter-play so it can't face-roll your team with ease unless said team is really weak to Prima. Very good, great glue 'mon, but not ban-worthy.
Honestly, I am happy about this since there is not going to be hysterical posts that "SV OU is doomed".
Nah, Gliscor ain't broken. SD always has coverage issues, such as being walled always by the metal birds, having to get multiple boosts to hurt tusk and being hard walled by ghold if it chooses facade.
Realistically we are at a point where we just had the first ban in months and it’s been less than 12 hours. Calls for other bans or suspects just don’t make much sense. There will be a time for them for sure, but it probably won’t be today or tomorrow — just think we need to let shit settle.
I’m absolutely in favor of an eventual discussion on Wellspring or whatever else people view as problems regardless of my personal stance. Discussion is good and who knows where it can lead. Above all, I appreciate the many strong and experienced players who voiced their opinions to me. It’s not being ignored, but we need to be cognizant of the metagame’s context.
I’m absolutely in favor of an eventual discussion on Wellspring or whatever else people view as problems regardless of my personal stance. Discussion is good and who knows where it can lead. Above all, I appreciate the many strong and experienced players who voiced their opinions to me. It’s not being ignored, but we need to be cognizant of the metagame’s context.
Call it a hunch but I think Scizor will be good in this new meta. Volc is gone, the legendary birds are still weaker than ever, and dirge + tera fire mons will see less usage. In Volc's absence, we will see more fairy and Grass-types, which scizor profits off of. We'll probably see more Darkspam teams too, which scizor does well vs. It's defensive profile pairs well with many top tiers like Tusk and Dragapult & Bullet punch is more useful than ever to revenge kill the many fast mons like Deo-S, Valiant, Pult, and Roaring Moon. IMO that offensive SD set probably isn't gonna be viable because of how much recoil it's inflicting on itself + no longevity, but I think CB will find a place on more standard teams than in the previous meta, esp given how nice priority is in this meta.
I'm not really a high ladder player I usually sit in the 1600s to 1700s and I feel like sentiment is so different between mid ladder and high ladder players (the ones who get reqs) I really never struggled with volcarona or found it constricting. Top threat for sure but in the same way gambit or roaring moon is a top threat. I don't care that it's gone but I'm VERY surprised.
About a month ago I posted a core I was using got me to about 1800 rocky helmet physdef chomp, expert belt magnezone and CB scizor it was farming the meta pretty hard, it'll be even better now.
I hope the next ban vote will NOT be about tera as a whole.
Anything but that.
Anything but that.
It won’t be.
your posts appear innocuous, mr. inator, but your secret messages can't escape from the brilliant mind of daddybuzzwole. welcome to the da finchy code 2: finch harder
ah fuck it, this joke is already getting stale, i better quit while i'm ahead
this is obviously a reference to the council's plan to ban the most realistic pokemon, alomomola
point, like poison point? exactly. the next ban after alomomomomomola will obviously be famed poison point user clodsire
you know what's named after a month and lives for less than 12 hours? a mayfly. clearly a reference to a third kingambit suspect after the second one i talked about before. how so? because it may be a flying-type
sense. as in cents. as in coins. which means that gholdengo is next on the docket
if it "won't be today or tomorrow", that means the next suspect after ghold won't be a mon from the present or the future, so it must be one of the past paradoxes. and who's the past paradox mon that everyone's had on their radar since the beginning of the dlc? that's right, brute bonnet
settle, like how you live among settlers in the hisui region in pokemon legends arceus. combined with the previous statement being about time, it obviously means the next suspect after brute bonnet will be testing down dialga-origin and
ah fuck it, this joke is already getting stale, i better quit while i'm ahead
You say that like you didn't buy it stale /jk
But while dirge is going to fall off, I still think it could be pretty good in the meta, now it can invest in defense easier, which is probably the better set. I am interested in roar, sub and encore skeledirge (not in the same set though). Roar skele is a good phazer which has reliable recovery, sub skele could capitalise on switches it forces in order to start boosting and encore skele is probably the most niche of them, but does lock things into awkward situations if they are slow such as Garg, gambit and primarina. These are mons which usually beat it that now don't, due to it ignoring there boosts.
What primarina is 6-0ing every team? lol
not me throwing primarina on my team thinking im missing out on some heat only realizing hours later, as the haha reacts roll in and seeing once again primarina being mid after dozens of battles, that this was a joke. had to be sure tho
its ok. with poison cure purified salt good as gold or unaware or something it could be broken
also i know its no ones fault and this is free but i hate the suprise of the days after ban getting excited for any aspect of freshness and ooooooooop volcarona is still here.
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I am at the point where I can safely say the Psychic Seed Gouging Fire experiment is a failure. I thought having the extra special bulk would make it easier to snowball, but it still takes too long most of the time. Two turn setups are just not very reliable on more offensive teams in this meta. You can live some cool hits with it. Doing something with that is another matter. I did briefly try a phasing set with Roar, but it had limited success on an archetype like Psychic Terrain. If you are going to do that, just use Ting-Lu. My opinion on Gouging Fire itself hasn't changed too much, but it was better using more traditional sets. Perhaps someone else might find a new set that is more reliable or threatening than the niche stuff I have been playing around with.
Another failed experiment was Electro Ball Iron Treads. I mean, I wasn't expecting much. But it was still disappointing. I have tried a few other sets to try and fix the hazards issue on PT teams. This was also underwhelming. Treads in general is a mon that I believe is quite underrated. It just doesn't fit on every type of team, PT apparently being one of them.
One thing I have had some recent success with on Psychic Terrain is Corv. It gives you a reliable slow pivot and an actual answer for Rillaboom. Ghold is an issue, but you have U-Turn and teammates. It needs more testing, but I noticed a huge upgrade over other things in that slot once I tried it.
Speaking of other things in that slot, Hatt is going to the long list of mons I have ultimately decided I don't like on Psychic Terrain. I was trying to use it as hazard prevention and a bulky pivot. But the pivot stuff is awkward with Eject Button and Healing Wish shenanigans. Red Card was a bit better, but harder to pivot and ultimately not as good as something else that could run Red Card. Hatt is slightly more helpful into Ghold hazard teams than Corv, but Hatt just flat loses to Ghold anyway and has trouble pivoting.
In the mean time, Roaring Moon is still doing its best to crush any hopes of the archetype's OU viability. Not the Dark types. Literally just Moon.
Another failed experiment was Electro Ball Iron Treads. I mean, I wasn't expecting much. But it was still disappointing. I have tried a few other sets to try and fix the hazards issue on PT teams. This was also underwhelming. Treads in general is a mon that I believe is quite underrated. It just doesn't fit on every type of team, PT apparently being one of them.
One thing I have had some recent success with on Psychic Terrain is Corv. It gives you a reliable slow pivot and an actual answer for Rillaboom. Ghold is an issue, but you have U-Turn and teammates. It needs more testing, but I noticed a huge upgrade over other things in that slot once I tried it.
Speaking of other things in that slot, Hatt is going to the long list of mons I have ultimately decided I don't like on Psychic Terrain. I was trying to use it as hazard prevention and a bulky pivot. But the pivot stuff is awkward with Eject Button and Healing Wish shenanigans. Red Card was a bit better, but harder to pivot and ultimately not as good as something else that could run Red Card. Hatt is slightly more helpful into Ghold hazard teams than Corv, but Hatt just flat loses to Ghold anyway and has trouble pivoting.
In the mean time, Roaring Moon is still doing its best to crush any hopes of the archetype's OU viability. Not the Dark types. Literally just Moon.