Would you play on a Smogon server if they had one on Shoddy?

CLegacyM

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Also note: This topic will not turn into a discussion as to why they don't have a server, nor will it become an outcry for an official Smogon server. Let me make this perfectly clear: Smogon has no intention of making an official server at this point in time. So, again, don't do it.

Also, don't think that attendance is the only issue preventing Smogon from having its own server, nor that it is the most important one.

Now, the question at hand is very simple. Would you play on an official Smogon server IF it were available? You don't have to list your reasoning (although that would be nice to promote discussion).

So my personal opinion:

I think that it would be great for Smogon to have its own official server. As is, with all due respect to Colin for having made the program, I think it would be important for Smogon to have influence over the metagame. At this point in time, while I realize AA, Obi and others have Colin's ear, he has the final say. Now, the problem that I see is that he relies completely on statistics to prove that a pokemon is Uber (this is of course, just my problem with the metagame shifting). However, because of the amount of people playing on Shoddy they have the most influence over the metagame right now.

Just because something isn't used often doesn't mean that it is not an uber pokemon. I fully believe that the standards should be set by the very best players, a lot of whom are from Smogon.

For example, Deoxys-E being unbanned promotes a stallish metagame, as it sweeps offensive teams by itself and in the hands of a good or great player is the best late game sweeper there is. But, it's hard to see something like this because a lot of people don't know how to use it properly, and the ones that do (such as goofball) already beat most other people anyway. It's like thinking because someone who doesn't know how to use a gun losing in a fight of knife vs. gun means that a gun isn't too powerful for a "knife fight". So, a lot of people are discouraged from using Deo-E.

I also think that Colin is a terrible administrator, but that could be just me. Most of the other moderators (besides AA) on the server a reasonable and you can talk to them.

Anyway, I would definitely go to a Smogon server if there was one.
 
The inherent problem with a thread that's asking a "yes or no" question is that it needs to promote discussion. The problem with discussion about this issue is stated very early in the OP: we have no intention of creating an official Smogon Shoddy server any time in the foreseeable future.

So discussion about one is going to be very borderline to questioning our staff, who has made that decision and stuck to it for some 4-5 months. Therefore, the real question in this thread is: how many of you can skirt the line between not adding anything to a discussion and questioning our administration? Good luck.
 
There's nothing stopping any member here from making a server to reflect whatever metagame they want, ex. no Wobbuffet/Deoxys in standards. If it's what people want to play, they will come. If they know about it, that is.
 
Meanwhile there is nothing wrong with explaining why you would attend an official Smogon server over the official Shoddy server.

Also, Syberia, that wouldn't have the kind of draw that an official Smogon server would. But again, that isn't the topic at hand. Would you attend an official Smogon server, yes or no?
 
I would attend any well-traveled server that did not allow Wobbuffet/Deoxys in standard play. Why does it have to be an "official Smogon server?"
 
Hmm...am I the only person who sees this as "I don't like the uber list, I want the original back!", mainly because of how you mentioned that Deoxys-S "unbalances the metagame"?
 
Well there is Dougs server (enters taboo teritory) but we all know the payoff there (for no Wobbuffet / Deoxys), although they're easily less "debatable" then Wobb.


Also why would we need our own server when we've got our own simulator in the works?
 
Ok you guys are taking MY opinion too far. That is just what >I< have a problem with. You guys are welcome to your own opinions. This is simple because I know there are a lot of people that would like to play on a Smogon server. The reason that it would "have to be" a smogon server is because of the draw that Smogon has.

Even that you guys are saying things like that sort of shows that there is a little less respect for Smogon as the authority on pokemon that I thought there would be.
 
I see this thread as bordering on questioning Colin's authority, if anything.

However, it appears to me that an official Smogon server would assure people that certain kinds of testing would be handled better than the way Colin has handled Deoxys-S and Wobbuffet. (according to some opinions, anyway; I'm reserving judgment on that matter)
 
A well known name attracts more people and gathers a bigger field of players than unofficial servers. That's why a lot of people go to Dougs server when the official one is down, they know the name.

And yes, I would deffinatly play on a Smogon server.
 
CLegacyM said:
Even that you guys are saying things like that sort of shows that there is a little less respect for Smogon as the authority on pokemon that I thought there would be.
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If there is no Smogon server, and never will be, then I fail to see how making a server that keeps the old Ubers list is showing disrespect for anything. Last I checked, people are allowed to have different opinions, that includes opinions on what is uber.
 
I would over the official server if the tiers were fixed, but it really wouldn't make that much of a difference to me personally as I don't play ladder much as is.

The moderation seems fine on the official server; my biggest issue with shoddy is the client itself (which is why I play wifi more often) and I guess there's no point in Smogon becoming ingrained in Shoddy when Competitor is coming out.
 
But, is there any kind of ruling on what's uber and what's not in Doug server? And more importantly: Does it matter, considering there's no ladder play, and considering you can't do anything to stop someone challenge you with a team of Groudon, Giratina, etc?

Regarding the question of the OP: If I don't play on the official server is because I got bored of ladder play, not because Deoxys or Wobba appeared. So I'd only play in a Smogon server if, when I wanted to play competitively again, said server was populated enough.
 
I'd definitely play on a Smogon server if it was made. One, because it would give me better chances of playing people from Smogon, and also because it would keep me away from the testing grounds in the main server. But after some thought, I don't think it would be a good idea to make one, mainly because of my second reason for wanting a Smogon server. I'm a fan of the "if it ain't broke" mentality, and I hate change. If there are people like me out there (I like to think that there are), they'll leave the main server, avoiding the annoying Wobb users, and leave the testing to everyone else. Edit: Which would be a bad thing.
 
I hope the OP understands that this is a very dangerous topic. I honestly don't know what good can come from it. Maybe you get a small, but meaningless data point on Smogon user preferences. In all likelihood, one or more of these posts will intentionally or unintentionally do one of the following:

- Insult the Smogon staff for reasons posted by Jumpman. That's a bad idea. I have no idea why anyone would want to go there.

- Insult Colin and/or other members of the Shoddy team. You already started down there in your OP. Considering how many Smogoners are playing on Shoddy, I think it is a similarly bad idea to insult the creator(s). Nothing productive comes from that.

- Insult those working on Competitor. Once again, why even skirt the line on this one? Just leave it alone.


So, with all that said -- I look forward to battling with other competant players, which Smogon has in abundance, wherever it is they choose to gather.
 
DougJustDoug said:
I hope the OP understands that this is a very dangerous topic. I honestly don't know what good can come from it. Maybe you get a small, but meaningless data point on Smogon user preferences. In all likelihood, one or more of these posts will intentionally or unintentionally do one of the following:

- Insult the Smogon staff for reasons posted by Jumpman. That's a bad idea. I have no idea why anyone would want to go there.

I don't consider it insulting to bring up an issue that they themselves are split on.

- Insult Colin and/or other members of the Shoddy team. You already started down there in your OP. Considering how many Smogoners are playing on Shoddy, I think it is a similarly bad idea to insult the creator(s). Nothing productive comes from that.

I am of the opinion that Colin is a tool. But, this isn't a topic about him.

- Insult those working on Competitor. Once again, why even skirt the line on this one? Just leave it alone.

How does this in any way insult the people working on Competitor? It would be more insulting to the people working on Competitor to have it come out and realize that all of a sudden there is no interest in what Smogon has to say anymore because they've lost what authority they had in pokemon by becoming second-fiddle to Shoddy.

So, with all that said -- I look forward to battling with other competant players, which Smogon has in abundance, wherever it is they choose to gather.
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I suppose this could be productive. The truth is about half of the people that play shoddy actually have general knowledge of the competitive battling world... perhaps a smogon server could educate less experienced players about the game and reinforce the tutoring program. Actually, this could greatly benefit the tutoring program, as the apprentices and tutors could meet on there. Maybe even apprentices can battle each other on a smogon server ladder and gain experience while observed by the tutor.

Just an idea.
 
Jumpman16 said:
Therefore, the real question in this thread is: how many of you can skirt the line between not adding anything to a discussion and questioning our administration? Good luck.
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Pick me!

I think that a Smogon Shoddy server would be nice, but not too helpful. I don't know what it takes to run a Shoddy server, so I'm not sure if it would be worth it or not, but I can say that it wouldn't be as helpful as it sounds. Users can already do most things on the official server, and I've seen most names there at least once. Sure, a server with less lag would be cool, but the lag isn't enough to make me stop using it or anything. I just don't see too many benefits.
 
I don't understand the point of this thread. If the Mods/Admins decided to not having a server, then what is the point? Is this one of those "If there was..." threads you see all over Serebii?

On Subject: I could care less. Either way, I would still be battling. I prefer the Shoddy Server, since they have Ladder and if I can't find a battle I click there and I get one. I doubt you can add that to the Smogon Serevr.
 
Curt, it's awesome that you always speak your mind, but seriously you should bite your tongue occasionally. :x

Yes, I would play on a Smogon server, mostly due to blind loyalty, though the lack of Deoxys and Wobb is quite appealing too. However, with all things taken into account, I feel that Shoddy is currently being ran efficiently and I especially appreciate the statistics that arrive at the end of every month. I think they could be a bit less "eager" at times, but I don't think there's a need for a Smogon server.

Just my opinon.
 
I would play the smogon server, mainly because that's where I'm thinking most of the better battlers would go. I want to expose myself to good competition, so it happens to be on a official smogon server, that's where you'll find me.
 
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