Got it, no then. I do think that both foolish and repugnant.
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to be clear i also dont rly see why kamala would be presumed to have a better chance, idet its unreasonable to think that biden has a better chance than "a replacement" at this juncture bc of how late it is in the campaign tho ofc itd vary quite a bit depending on whom.
again from my pov idk which candidate would do best rn and i dont rly care to be honest bc the dem party is clearly going to stick with biden regardless of whatever any of us think his chances are or arent. im not bothered at all by the fact that you think that biden has a better / less-bad chance than a replacement, my reaction is to the propogation of political science mythologies that continue to have such a strong influence over electoral politics regardless of the lack of evidence behind them, and the impact that they have on the political landscape.
i do agree somewhat that examples of elections either in western europe or in the colonized world do not necessarily carry over to the settler colonial context of the "us", altho i think the differences are smaller than they used to be in this digital age where propoganda systems are much more global than local, eg fascist youtube. however recent electoral history in the "us" hardly suggests any incumbency advantage either, and since its not like the concept had much of a analytical foundation to begin with why should we continue to rely on it.
loyalty to the bankrupt bourgeois ideology that is political science has consequences. it means defaulting to the status quo rather than being adaptive to change. it represents an orientation that is "tailist" in the dialectical materialist sense, it seeks out and reproduces the most conservative elements of the political landscape (bc of its unwillingness to challenge preconceived notions that are no longer supported by the facts, and those preconceived notions are ofc typically reactionary given polisci's ideological history) rather than seeking out progressive elements and trying to grow / build off of them. for example, without minimizing the extent to which US imperialism benefits from the zionist settler colonial project including attempts to wipe out the entire population of gaza, it also seems v clear that neither the political party apparatuses nor the university board of trustees etc apparatuses had any awareness of the fact that zionist ideology does not have the level of popular support in the "us" that it used to, and even now they maybe recognize they 'missed something' but dont understand what. not that i wish that 'class enemies' had a better perception of reality, but this is something we can observe and analyze as a demonstration of the fundamental flaws of political science and its inability to perceive much less adapt to change.
Honestly the most satisfying thing about UK general elections was that evil piece of garbage Liz Truss lost her constituency in what may be the most pro-conservative voting district in the whole country by 650 votes. For information, last general elections Tories won with 26.000 majority and they won that district for 60 years without any problems whatsoever. After the loss was settled, she couldn't even say any words before leaving the stage, fitting for what she has done in office and 15 years in parliament. Good fucking riddance.
Labour represented the most respectable and well-known opposition and took some traditionally center-right or even far-right positions for their own and in a less extreme way in this election, moving further away from their Corbyn era while the general population is absolutely vicious of 15 years of Tories mismanagement and absolute morons such as Sunak, Truss etc. so totally different position to the incumbent Macron (whos a centrist liberal and not a nominally socdem in the first place) and his "party" that only has him as leading figure and lost against both RN & Left+Greens. Reform also got some gains in this general elections, but aren't as established as some far-right parties in other countries including Le Pens RN in France who are the most established far-right party in Europe alongside FPÖ in Austria and SVP in Switzerland.
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Both are the result of fascist party rising at the expense of moderates though… just in different system/context, in one Macron got merked, in the other Tories did.
The fascists only get 4 seats in UK Parliament (same as greens) but that doesn’t tell the story of ~180 seats I heard reported the Tories lost because the far right was strong enough to split the vote.
Labour didn’t win any more votes than under Corbyn’s weaker years, and lost a lot of votes compared to Corbyn’s strongest. The Tories were just that weak vs the ascending far right.
For France I do expect that in the 2nd round it won’t be the fascists that get to make Government, but if France wants to avoid that the far left will be getting significant power/consessions in some form.
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At this point Macron and his underlings would have to concede that the "Far-Left" among Melenchon are the strongest force in this climate to prevent a total takeover of french parlament by RN, but i just can't see it especially with Macrons pride and pettiness.
Nigel Farage split the Tory vote and Tories running the government for over a decade makes it hard for them to pin the country's shortcomings on Labour.
Guys don’t worry— Joe Biden assured us that he is doing the goodest he can to win again in 2020.
skibidi biden
Finally, a candidate who can get young people to the polls.
Maybe we really are cooked.
wait actually it’s even worse because this was in response to asking how he’d feel if he lost— what his feeling would be in January after failing democracy.
So fixing the grammar “I’ll know I did my best.” Is a terrible answer.
Based on that answer I’m glad that he’ll sleep well at night, even if he loses knowing he did his best.
I’m glad to hear he will rest easy, no thought at all for the encroaching end of civil rights, liberal democracy, no worries about the fate of healthcare or social security, the fate of Ukrainians or children in Gaza, for the fate of so much of humanity set to be devastated by climate change.
You did your best Joe
Absolutely psychotic.
Actually this feels like an amazing time to bring back Warranite Mandela, because we’re actually even more unironically prioritizing the feelings of one member of liberal royalty over the fate of the planet. Just it’s not “Self Care Warren” but “I did my best” Biden
Take it away Michael Brooks— “Self-Care > Ending Apartheid Warranite Mandela”
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Pull it together. Joe is not failing democracy. Elections are won on the ground. And Joe being the incumbent who already beat the other guy is favored. Maybe take a step back from the replace Joe agonizing because it is highly unlikely to happen at this point.
https://x.com/AssLatam/status/1809666584689979863
If biden started doing this he'd win all electoral colleges personally
If biden started doing this he'd win all electoral colleges personally
Triggered because former Warrenite. I guarantee that if Biden loses you guys will sound just like that again.
Like I said, nothing to do but wait and see if the man’s got the sauce.
But ground game? Pffffftt
Show me the army of volunteers and organizers ready to go to bat for Genocide Joe. I have doubts about the fieldable ground game when 75% of your own voters want a different candidate, and the candidate himself can’t campaign.
It’s not 75% and even if you “poll” the question it is meaningless without the follow up question of replacement candidate. Reference to Jasmine Crockett:
And you have to get President Biden to suspend his campaign which he already sternly told those wanting him out to pound sand. It’s a moot exercise at this point.
Also, I don’t think anyone 40 or under should feel obligated to volunteer, or donate, or anything else for a party that doesn’t believe it owes them a goddamn thing, or lift a finger to help them policy-wise. Let the old ones go out and knock on doors.
Actually maybe Biden doesn’t even need that since he’s not counting on anything but being entitled to votes anyway.
Ground game. We all know that even without COVID his 2020 ground game would have been weak as shit.
Actually maybe Biden doesn’t even need that since he’s not counting on anything but being entitled to votes anyway.
Ground game. We all know that even without COVID his 2020 ground game would have been weak as shit.
Shades of Donald Trump. Gotta love it.
Bakugames
Guys you don’t understand— Lula’s a chad and it’s actually true and he can go out and give the bro stories himself.
Biden actually already did this but no one believes the 3rd party accounts/book/aides claiming that he’s blowing out Jill’s back wall.
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What I’m saying is that if the President wants to sell us his sex drive as proof of vigor, he shouldn’t leak it to the press about what aides said in some book—
—no he and Jill need to sell the smut to America, have him opine on the lucid details to sell his cognition.
You know, ground game.
—no he and Jill need to sell the smut to America, have him opine on the lucid details to sell his cognition.
You know, ground game.
While we are raging against Biden for everything under the sun it appears the Kamala Harris birthism and racist attack articles have already begun. Like clockwork. The media is going to media like 2016 all over again.
Biden hates the media and for good reason. He should add that to the list of things to run on. The media is almost as unanimously despised as Congress.
538 shows Biden is behind Trump by 2.3%. Not only is is this a margin of error, it isn't even the lowest Biden has polled in the past 2 months.
538 also shows that Americans want Democrats in Congress and show that Biden's approval rating is pretty much the same it has been. Donald Trump's disapproval rating is also higher than it was 6 months ago.
Recent polling is bad for Biden but who the fuck cares. Americans have voting ADHD. After Trump was found to be a felon his polling numbers fell below Biden's, giving Biden a lead comparable to Trump's right now. Oops, a month later no one gives a shit because he didn't win American Idol.
None of this matters. Biden could get college debt relief passed next week and the polls would shift. Trump could accidentally snapchat himself taking a shit in his neighbor's truck and the polls would move... probably in his favor, who knows. At the end of the day our options are a twice impeached racist rapist authoritarian who makes funny jokes vs a really old guy who's clinging to life but thinks maybe democracy is nice and that climate change and human rights are actually important issues. Anyone even vaguely partisan has made their choice, we're just waiting on the stupid fucking independents to figure out who is better.
All things considered Biden is fine for the current political climate, at least in terms of policies. He can't force Congress or the Supreme Court to do anything regardless of what some people might think the recent ruling means. For actual change we need local action. The 2024 election has the presidency yes, and only like 7 states matter for that. But 468 seats are up for vote in Congress in 2024 which is how things actually get turned into law (or not turned into law depending on who wins). So swing state or not, yes go fucking vote.
Somehow, after all that has happened, Trump maintains enough support to legitimately vote him into office. I personally would vote for a mannequin found in a Sears dumpster over Trump but hey, Democracy am I right. If Trump wins he wins, and the frustrating lesson is that if America wants it, America gets it. If Trump wins I don't blame Biden (who has routinely and consistently enabled policies and laws that are, as the kids might say, based as fuck). I blame the people. But if that's what Americans want... we deserve it.
538 also shows that Americans want Democrats in Congress and show that Biden's approval rating is pretty much the same it has been. Donald Trump's disapproval rating is also higher than it was 6 months ago.
Recent polling is bad for Biden but who the fuck cares. Americans have voting ADHD. After Trump was found to be a felon his polling numbers fell below Biden's, giving Biden a lead comparable to Trump's right now. Oops, a month later no one gives a shit because he didn't win American Idol.
None of this matters. Biden could get college debt relief passed next week and the polls would shift. Trump could accidentally snapchat himself taking a shit in his neighbor's truck and the polls would move... probably in his favor, who knows. At the end of the day our options are a twice impeached racist rapist authoritarian who makes funny jokes vs a really old guy who's clinging to life but thinks maybe democracy is nice and that climate change and human rights are actually important issues. Anyone even vaguely partisan has made their choice, we're just waiting on the stupid fucking independents to figure out who is better.
All things considered Biden is fine for the current political climate, at least in terms of policies. He can't force Congress or the Supreme Court to do anything regardless of what some people might think the recent ruling means. For actual change we need local action. The 2024 election has the presidency yes, and only like 7 states matter for that. But 468 seats are up for vote in Congress in 2024 which is how things actually get turned into law (or not turned into law depending on who wins). So swing state or not, yes go fucking vote.
Somehow, after all that has happened, Trump maintains enough support to legitimately vote him into office. I personally would vote for a mannequin found in a Sears dumpster over Trump but hey, Democracy am I right. If Trump wins he wins, and the frustrating lesson is that if America wants it, America gets it. If Trump wins I don't blame Biden (who has routinely and consistently enabled policies and laws that are, as the kids might say, based as fuck). I blame the people. But if that's what Americans want... we deserve it.
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I agree with this entire post. Except I am very bullish on Biden and bearish on the felon. Structurally, this election has the makings of a Biden landslide. It comes down to if people believe the polls or not. I've made my case the last few pages about how shitty and illogical all the fucking cross tabs are. I did however find this priceless nugget that should remind us not to be duped like back in 2016:
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