Judge This Elite Squadron *Judicator*

Wedge

The Judicators:

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Analysis:
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Swampert @ Leftovers "Judgement"
Impish Nature
252 HP/252 Defense/6 Attack
-Earthquake
-Avalanche
-Roar
-Stealth Rock

Swampert is a pretty good lead. It gets destroyed by Grass Knots and Energy Balls found on people like Gengar, Azelf, etc, but I can usually predict those before anything bad happens. Swampert is my Dragon and Tyranitar counter, being able to Roar away Dragon Dances or kill them with either Avalanche or Earthquake. Overall, it's a great Pokemon for this team.

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Weezing @ Black Sludge "Dimenspade"
Bold Nature
252 HP/252 Defense/6 HP
-Pain Split
-Will-o-wisp
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower

Weezing is an amazing Pokemon. He acts as my Gyrados counter, Heracross counter, non-subbing and non-taunting Physical wall counter, and is a great Pokemon in general. Pain Split is great for recovery (unless they're under a Substitute T-T...but that's okay because my Phazpert comes in to save the day :D Weezing is one of my favorite Pokemon :)

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Blissey @ Leftovers "Meta-Oval"
Calm Nature
252 Defense/40 Special Attack/216 Special Defense
-Flamethrower
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave

I stole Obi's EV Spread here, but it works wonders. Flamethrower because it can 2HKO Skarmory with this Spread, and is awesome against incoming Metagross. Thunder Wave allows me to bring in a sweeper and finish the job. Blissey is one of the most reliable Pokemon on my team and is an excellent Special Wall.

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Salamence @ Leftovers "AeroStorm"
Adamant Nature
252 Attack/120 HP/136 Speed
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Substitute

I can't believe how well this thing works!! Substitute blocks all statuses, Leech Seed, Intimidates, Mean Looks, and can completely screw over a team if they let me get 2 Dragon Dances (that outspeeds pretty much everything and will rape anything switching in). This is the powerful backbone of my team and always gets the job done.

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Gengar @ Choice Specs "Zero"
Timid Nature
252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Thunderbolt
-HP {Ice}

SpecsGar is severely underrated. It is a great revenge killer to anything that isn't scarfed, and can OHKO Tyranitar with Focus Blast. It comes in after a KO to kill many threats and clears away pesky Physical Walls so Salamence and Lucario can have a field day.

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Lucario @ Life Orb (?) "AuraWolf"
Adamant Nature
252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Inner Focus (?)
-Close Combat
-Extremespeed
-Crunch
-Swords Dance

This is also a great revenge killer and if it comes in on a wall that can't do anything, it can Swords Dance up, and kill. I'm using the Smogon All-Out Sweeper set, but I'm not sure if Life Orb and Inner Focus are the right things. I was wondering if I should go with Expert Belt or Steadfast (which could benefit me in the long run). I know my team is rather slow, so a strong Priority Move helps that a lot. Anyways, Lucario is a new addition to my team and works incredibly well alongside Salamence and Gengar. Lucario resists all of Salamence's weaknesses and Vice Versa. Lucario also resists Ghost and Dark, while Gengar is immune to Fighting and Ground. The trio work very well together and I'm having more success with this one than with the Gallade I used to use.


Overall, I think it's a good team, but input would be very very helpful.
 
jolly lucario would work better, no need for adamant since you have swords dance on him you could also let him hold a muscle band for that extra attack boost
 
I like this team. This team inspired me to make one of my most powerful and greatest team yet. Good team very excellent. I can't seem to find any problems. Has there been anything that felt out of place with the team?
 
_TALON_ said:
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Analysis:
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Swampert @ Leftovers "Judgement"
Impish Nature
252 HP/252 Defense/6 Attack
-Earthquake
-Avalanche
-Roar
-Stealth Rock

I think Restalk could work here. Shuffling your opponent's team by Sleep Talk is a lot of fun! People would usually try to set up n a sleeping Pokemon but it will have a hard time with Sleep Talk.

Not only that, without Rest, Swampert will fall quite quickly, especially against Banded or Specked pokemons.

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Weezing @ Black Sludge "Dimenspade"
Bold Nature
252 HP/252 Defense/6 HP
-Pain Split
-Will-o-wisp
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower

K.

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Blissey @ Leftovers "Meta-Oval"
Calm Nature
252 Defense/40 Special Attack/216 Special Defense
-Flamethrower
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave

I don't see the point of having that much, or any Special Defense. Just give it the standard EV spread of 148 HP, 252 Def, rest into SAtk. This way Blissey can take physical attacks a lot better. Also Bold is a better nature for it.

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Salamence @ Leftovers "AeroStorm"
Adamant Nature
252 Attack/120 HP/136 Speed
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Substitute

K. Good luck against Skarmory though.

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Gengar @ Choice Specs "Zero"
Timid Nature
252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Thunderbolt
-HP {Ice}

K. I think Hypnosis should be somewhere though, perhaps over Hidden Power: Ice or Focus Blast.

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Lucario @ Life Orb (?) "AuraWolf"
Adamant Nature
252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Inner Focus (?)
-Close Combat
-Extremespeed
-Crunch
-Swords Dance

Seeing as your team will have trouble with Scarf/SpecsGar once Blissey is gone, I suggest Bullet Punch over Extremespeed or Crunch.
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@ Junior:

-Blissey is calm because it really needs the special defense. Although the OU metagame tends to be physically based, there are plenty of nasty special attacks that need to be absorbed. Standard Bliss is OHKO'd by a Life Orb'd max sp atk NP'd Hyper Beam from Porygon-Z, to give you a perspective. Azelf can 3HKO standard bold Bliss with Psychic after a NP with a Life Orb as well. I'm pretty sure modest Gengar with Life Orb can 2HKO Bliss with Focus Blast as well. Well, the point is, there are way too many nasty special attacks to be running bold anymore.

-Lucario: I'm kind of wondering how much a Specs T-Bolt from a Gengar will do to Luke, but I sort of doubt Gar- even with Specs- can do much damage to Lucario besides the one random HP Fire Gar or a Focus Blast, and the latter is quite unreliable.

But saying that is a bit unfair, because a Poke would likely give him problems after the specific counter is gone.
 
Bentendo13 said:
@ Junior:

-Blissey is calm because it really needs the special defense. Although the OU metagame tends to be physically based, there are plenty of nasty special attacks that need to be absorbed. Standard Bliss is OHKO'd by a Life Orb'd max sp atk NP'd Hyper Beam from Porygon-Z, to give you a perspective. Azelf can 3HKO standard bold Bliss with Psychic after a NP with a Life Orb as well. I'm pretty sure modest Gengar with Life Orb can 2HKO Bliss with Focus Blast as well. Well, the point is, there are way too many nasty special attacks to be running bold anymore.

Well, if you take all situations into account, then that's just ridiculous.

Max Def, Bold and 148 HP allows you to take Physical hits a WHOLE LOT BETTER.

SpecsGar can't exactly 2HKO Blissey if you factor in Leftover Recovery or Softboiled recovery and Focus Blast's miss rate. That's with Focus Blast BTW, Shadow Ball doesn't affect and Thunderbolt doesn't do much, let alone HP Ice.

Azelf will suffer and fall long before Blissey would. Most Blisseys carry Thunderwave or Toxic. Thunderwave totally screws any fast yet fragile sweeper over or Toxistalling Blissey can just stall it to death. Putting Seismic Toss on that which is a 3HKO too.

The only problem the standard Bliss would be weak against is NP Hyper Beam pZ which is uncommon enough. Plus you can always revenge kill it. You won't see many of them anyway.
-Lucario: I'm kind of wondering how much a Specs T-Bolt from a Gengar will do to Luke, but I sort of doubt Gar- even with Specs- can do much damage to Lucario besides the one random HP Fire Gar or a Focus Blast, and the latter is quite unreliable.

Focus Blast is actually quite common on Gengar. Its one of its standard moves and completes the Ghost-Fight duo.
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Dang it Junior, stop putting the words inside the quotes, it's impossible to quote you. :(

-Bliss: Do you honestly want to take physical attacks with Bliss? The point is special attackers in the metagame are scary enough for people to use calm Blisseys now.

Timid Gengar can't OHKO with Specs Blast, but modest can, even with Life Orb IIRC.

Also, you should be prepared for everything in the metagame, which includes that one random NP Hyper Beam P-Z. I probably wouldn't keep Bliss in on Azelf in fear of Explosion anyways.

-Gengar: Uhh, no shit lol. But if it's on Specs or Scarf and it's not stuck on Focus Blast/HP Fire, Lucario can pretty much come in and revenge kill Gar. But that's only if it's not stuck on Blast or that random HP Fire.
 
Bentendo13 said:
Dang it Junior, stop putting the words inside the quotes, it's impossible to quote you. :(

That's how I roll.

-Bliss: Do you honestly want to take physical attacks with Bliss? The point is special attackers in the metagame are scary enough for people to use calm Blisseys now.

Blissey loves sponging up physical attacks like EQ or DClaw from Garchomp, EQ from Meta even and anything weaker.

Timid Gengar can't OHKO with Specs Blast, but modest can, even with Life Orb IIRC.

It can never OHKO. Let me run some calcs.

Modest Gengar with Choice Specs and 252 SAtk EVs invested does 48.84% - 57.41% to a Blissey. But seriously, no-one does that so lets look at something like Timid SpecsGar.

44.62% - 52.47% from Timid SpecsGar. Factoring in Leftovers, it is never a 2HKO unless you do max damage twice and Spikes/SR are up.
Also, you should be prepared for everything in the metagame, which includes that one random NP Hyper Beam P-Z. I probably wouldn't keep Bliss in on Azelf in fear of Explosion anyways.

I agree with you but he IS prepared for an NP Hyper Beam PZ. Gengar says hai.

-Gengar: Uhh, no shit lol. But if it's on Specs or Scarf and it's not stuck on Focus Blast/HP Fire, Lucario can pretty much come in and revenge kill Gar. But that's only if it's not stuck on Blast or that random HP Fire.

You can't really rely on them being Choiced. As you said yourself, "You should be prepared for everything in the metagame". Standard LO Gengars are still common especially since ScarfChomp usage died down.
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You alone made me post so much, Bentendo. lol
 
Blissey really wants some sdef EV's, not only cause of specs gar and things like that, but imagine this scenario:

Blissey at half health due to some passive demages and things like that.
Your activie pokémon is gliscor, and the opponent one is a specs mence.
He uses Draco meteor, blissey takes the SR demage and what? She dies.
With more sdef, she probabily would be at something like 60% hp and endured the draco meteor and healing itself.
 
Damn it Junior! :'[

Blissey: What kind of idiot honestly leaves in Blissey on a Garchomp? It can threaten to Swords Dance up, or go for the immediate Outrage, which will likely OHKO depending on the nature/spread/etc. Garchomp isn't OHKO'd by Ice Beam, and there's always the possibility of a Yache berry.

Blissey can't counter Gengar if it's 2HKO'd by one of its attacks...

Porygon-Z WILL be carrying Dark Pulse in case a ghost decides to risk a switch-in, no doubt about it.

Gengar: You said in your previous post:

Seeing as your team will have trouble with Scarf/SpecsGar once Blissey is gone, I suggest Bullet Punch over Extremespeed or Crunch.
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You said specifically Scarf/SpecsGar, and now you just switch to LO(w)Gar? C'mon now. :[

Edit: I just realized that a lot of this is just speculation, in other words, pointless arguing.
 
Bentendo13 said:
Damn it Junior! :'[

>=)

Blissey: What kind of idiot honestly leaves in Blissey on a Garchomp? It can threaten to Swords Dance up, or go for the immediate Outrage, which will likely OHKO depending on the nature/spread/etc. Garchomp isn't OHKO'd by Ice Beam, and there's always the possibility of a Yache berry.

Just saying lol. Metagross though!

Blissey can't counter Gengar if it's 2HKO'd by one of its attacks...

It can. Especially when the chance for 2HKO are quite low!

Porygon-Z WILL be carrying Dark Pulse in case a ghost decides to risk a switch-in, no doubt about it.

Yes but if you predict properly then you can switch into a Tri Attack or Hyper Beam.

You said specifically Scarf/SpecsGar, and now you just switch to LO(w)Gar? C'mon now. :[

But you said to consider everything in the metagame. =(

Edit: I just realized that a lot of this is just speculation, in other words, pointless arguing.

Quite so, lets stop. :)
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Most [SIZE=-1]knowledgable players will give Blissey Calm because of all the threats that beat Bold versions. Seriously, Calm gives it soo much more special defense while Bold just gives you an extra 11 defense points, which is pointless since it is supposed to counter special pokes. Max defense is a given of course, but everyone knows that. The standard EV spread suggests WAY too much special attack, 212 is pushing it and Ice Beam usually won't OHKO Salamences anyways since you need ~220.

This is a very solid team with some great synergy.

Many people underestimate DDMence because SpecsMence is soo common. Substitute is interesting but it could definitely work since you have Leftovers.

I don't know what else to say besides great team. Keep Adamant on Lucario, Jolly is worthless since base 100s usually will be beaten by Extremespeed(Salamence) or they don't run much speed(Zapdos, Celebi, etc.)


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Bentendo, I'm confused on whom you and Junior are ranting about.

Is it Lucario or Gengar?

Specs Gar has been working quite well for me, and I think only with Specs it can OHKO Tyranitar with Focus Blast. It's a great Revenge Killer against those annoying Dragons and can easily decimate a Gyrados if Weezing goes down.

With the Calm vs Bold argument on Blissey, it's as Bentendo says: Blissey is there to take SPECIAL not physical hits. That's what Swampert and Weezing are for. I tried a Rest Talker Swampert before, but he worked very badly with this team. Swampert has to be readily available to Phaze away stat raises and I can't rely on Sleep Talk's 33% chance of that happening.
 
_TALON_ said:
Bentendo, I'm confused on whom you and Junior are ranting about.

Is it Lucario or Gengar?

Specs Gar has been working quite well for me, and I think only with Specs it can OHKO Tyranitar with Focus Blast. It's a great Revenge Killer against those annoying Dragons and can easily decimate a Gyrados if Weezing goes down.

With the Calm vs Bold argument on Blissey, it's as Bentendo says: Blissey is there to take SPECIAL not physical hits. That's what Swampert and Weezing are for. I tried a Rest Talker Swampert before, but he worked very badly with this team. Swampert has to be readily available to Phaze away stat raises and I can't rely on Sleep Talk's 33% chance of that happening.
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Mainly about calm on Blissey. Most of it was pointless speculation though.

Gengar can still OHKO T-Tar with a Life Orb or with a Sash, unless they have a bunch of EVs in HP and sp def (which isn't standard).
 
Bentendo13 said:
Mainly about calm on Blissey. Most of it was pointless speculation though.

Gengar can still OHKO T-Tar with a Life Orb or with a Sash, unless they have a bunch of EVs in HP and sp def (which isn't standard).
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Should I try out Expert Belt Gar?

I already gave Luke Life Orb and it works wonders on him.

By the way, how do you like the team overall?
 
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