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I think the world would like a bit of hope.

But Kamala Harris is the other wrong choice.

Dr Jill Stein is, however, the best choice - period.

From the outside looking in, the USA needs to hit the reset button and stop bombing people either by themselves or by proxy or providing the weapons period.
 
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MrHands said:
Kamala is ahead of Trump by 1.5 points in national polls.
She's also beating Trump in most swing states, and her lead is only growing.

This is what happens when your VP nomination yells at a kid for liking Pokémon. Edit: also when you're a racist rapist felon authoritarian who takes presidential selfies with canned beans.
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No I honestly think it's more "What happens when the political party acts like a party for once in many people's lifetimes", Kamala's success was predicted before she became nominee and before Vance was the pick. This was going to happen regardless of JD Vance being a psycho. People who were going to vote Trump are still going to vote Trump no matter how weird JD Vance is, because they are racist and often straight up dislike their families. And Trump being probably a racist was known in 2016.

Trump was always... ALWAYS weird, always clear in his intentions, always playing the same lines- his talking points in 2024 are basically the same thing but with 20% more bitterness than 2016, and a bit more authoritarianism in his tendency. But overall, Kamala being ahead right now is because the Democratic Party seems to have actual life on it, something that hasn't seemed true since 2020.
 
adjectivenoun said:
Trump should listen to the pundits telling him to pick a new VP.
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I think his momentum has gone way down every time there's a new clip/story of JD Vance doing/saying something stupid. Because it's not like, "Trump" stupid, it's more like, what anyone in the world on all sides of the political spectrum consider stupid. And that actually matters more to his base than any felony convictions.
 
Fingers crossed that Trump doesn't pick a new VP tbh.

Considering in Trump's recent (awful) interview he kept saying "yeah I don't know about what Vance is saying", he already seems to be distancing himself though, so I'm not sure what will happen.
 
MrHands said:
Kamala is ahead of Trump by 1.5 points in national polls.
She's also beating Trump in most swing states, and her lead is only growing.

This is what happens when your VP nomination yells at a kid for liking Pokémon. Edit: also when you're a racist rapist felon authoritarian who takes presidential selfies with canned beans.
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JD Vance is a power-hungry, grifting piece of shit. He’s also just a weird asshole.

VPs make no difference in campaigns and I hope Kamala Harris prioritizes a governing partner that she has good chemistry with over perceived short-term electoral implications.

I maintain that we were always going to get to this point in the race eventually (tilting to Dem victory) and that polls are garbage and not evidence of anything.

S.A.C. Martin said:
I think the world would like a bit of hope.

But Kamala Harris is the other wrong choice.

Dr Jill Stein is, however, the best choice - period.
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This Jill Stein?

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RaikouLover said:
JD Vance is a power-hungry, grifting piece of shit. He’s also just a weird asshole.

VPs make no difference in campaigns and I hope Kamala Harris prioritizes a governing partner that she has good chemistry with over perceived short-term electoral implications.

I maintain that we were always going to get to this point in the race eventually (tilting to Dem victory) and that polls are garbage and not evidence of anything.



This Jill Stein?

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Yep, that Jill Stein.

As we say in the UK, sometimes you have to sit down with the people you don’t agree with to make a better path for peace.

The best example of this is the Good Friday agreement - go and look it up and see what I mean.

The Russia = bad position that many Americans take needs looking at. I think the diplomatic stance that China is currently pursuing across the world is probably the example of a country with power using it to its best advantage, for its best advantage, at the moment (and emphatically, that does not mean I support China’s internal politics and setup - just saying that there’s more than one way to make an omelette).
 
I think we should be specific about what exactly we think Jill Stein agrees with Russia on.

It's not really 'about' Jill Stein, but just a general problem that if someone wants to criticize some aspect of US' aggressive foreign policy, a quick and lazy response is to smear them by saying they are a "Putin Puppet," a "CCP agent," or more recently, a "Hamas supporter." Then you can avoid actually grappling with their positions.

For example, if someone says "stop the genocide against Palestinians," that is a good sensible position. The ruling class media does not focus on that though; instead they often portray anti-genocide protesters as "Hamas supporters" in some vague sense, in the hopes that people will turn their brains off and oppose the protesters without engaging with their message. By being specific, we can avoid that problem.
 
lilyhollow said:
I think we should be specific about what exactly we think Jill Stein agrees with Russia on.

It's not really 'about' Jill Stein, but just a general problem that if someone wants to criticize some aspect of US' aggressive foreign policy, a quick and lazy response is to smear them by saying they are a "Putin Puppet," a "CCP agent," or more recently, a "Hamas supporter." Then you can avoid actually grappling with their positions.

For example, if someone says "stop the genocide against Palestinians," that is a good sensible position. The ruling class media does not focus on that though; instead they often portray anti-genocide protesters as "Hamas supporters" in some vague sense, in the hopes that people will turn their brains off and oppose the protesters without engaging with their message. By being specific, we can avoid that problem.
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Agreed. It seems like the intent in posting that photo was to accuse her of being in cahoots with the Putin regime, but I would rather hear more specific criticism of her actual views on foreign policy. I'm also not moved by Russia trying to divert blue votes to her as part of their election interference; they were going to try to use third parties to split the vote regardless of who the candidates were.
 
Bughouse said:
yes, Jill Stein definitely doesn't agree with Russia
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This is a very poor argument. Your own link points out:

There’s nothing in the reports to suggest that Stein was aware of the influence operation
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So by your logic all Russian interference online during American elections automatically disqualifies candidates. Great, let’s talk about Russian interference that was pro-Trump then:

https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...ussian-interference-in-2016-us-idUSKCN25E2OY/

WASHINGTON (Reuters)t - Below are key findings of the U.S. Senate intelligence committee's final report released on Tuesday about Russian efforts to influence the 2016 U.S presidential election in which Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Hillary Clinton.
The bipartisan report, three-and-a-half years in the making, found Russia used Republican political operative Paul Manafort, the WikiLeaks website and others to try to influence the 2016 election to help now-U.S. President Donald Trump's campaign.
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CaffeineBoost said:
insane how trump went from looking completely unbeatable to absolutely done for, holy shit.
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To be fair throughout the WHOLE season poll respondents showed an overwhelming number of Americans didn’t want a Biden vs Trump re-match—

—and while there were no specific Democrats who polled ahead of Biden and Trump trounced the primary, polls frequently showed Trump losing badly to unspecified “Generic Democrat” and Biden losing to unspecified “Generic Republican.”

How we got here was a total shitshow with the Trump’s 30% base steamrolling the party-internal primary (30% > 20%) and the Democrats completely shutting down any ability for a primary process that informed the public about Biden’s capability to run—

—but I’d say fate rolled the dice EXTREMELY lucky for the Democrats locking Trump in and Haley/Desantis out, while giving the less Authoritarian-bow-to-the-king Democrats the chance to blunder into the BEST scenario.

Being late enough for weirdo Vance to be locked in and for the Democratic voters to be SO desperate and panicked that they’ve completely forgotten any and all parts of Kamala’s unpopular policy or vibes— just extra cherries on top from Lady Luck.

Sometimes it really is just as simple as taking voters at face-value.

'The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election'
—Nicky Haley, Jan 2024
 
Wait did Trump do something exceptionally stupid in the past 4 hours or do we mean the general ineptitude of him and his campaign because I think itd be business as usual if Trump didn't have to explode any time he has to consider someone being biracial
 
adjectivenoun said:
I would caution against taking it for granted, but this does make me happy.
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The 14 most recent polls on 538 all have Harris ahead of Trump. Her lead is around 2 points over Trump nationwide. Harris is also ahead in PA by 1.2, ahead in MI by 2.2, and ahead in WI by 1.8. If she wins these three while letting the Republicans take other "swing" states (and no weird upsets occur like Red California) the Democrats will have 270 electoral votes.

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If the election was held tomorrow Kamala would likely win, and tbh it seems her approval is just going up more and more every time I look. She may very well take all the swing states. Who knows.

Get fucked Trump.
 
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Techno said:
Just want to remind everyone talking about polls: VOTE. DOUBLE CHECK THAT YOU'RE REGISTERED TO VOTE. https://vote.gov/

Don't put confidence in polls and decide not to vote. Every vote matters.
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I know it's easy to say "I'm not in a swing state" but even if so register to vote. There's like 200 congressional seats up for grabs and some of them are probably where you live. Even if not there are usually local elections that matter. But even if literally no one you support has even 1% chance of winning your vote will give others hope for the future. Getting Trump'd in 2016 hurt but knowing he got rawdogged by the popular vote made it hurt a little less.

Techno is super right, just shut the fuck up and go vote!
 
MrHands said:
The 14 most recent polls on 538 all have Harris ahead of Trump. Her lead is around 2 points over Trump nationwide. Harris is also ahead in PA by 1.2, ahead in MI by 2.2, and ahead in WI by 1.8. If she wins these three while letting the Republicans take other "swing" states (and no weird upsets occur like Red California) the Democrats will have 270 electoral votes.
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Techno said:
Just want to remind everyone talking about polls: VOTE. DOUBLE CHECK THAT YOU'RE REGISTERED TO VOTE. https://vote.gov/

Don't put confidence in polls and decide not to vote. Every vote matters.
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Polls aren't worth the piece of paper they are written on. I'd rather them go back to publishing the 30% black voters to Trump bullshit like a couple weeks ago. Scared people vote. Those voting against convicted felon Trump should be terrified going into November.

The Democrats have to win the popular vote by about 2.5% to carry the Electoral College. Even better... Democrats need to win the popular vote by at least 4% (5% to be safe) to carry the Senate due to it's extremely anti-democratic small state lean. Remember, Biden won by 4.5% in 2020 and the Senate split 50/50. If Democrats do not get the Senate, nothing is getting accomplished for the next four years. Harris won't even get her damn cabinet picks through.

So buck up and vote!
 
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My brother in Christ the Democrats HAVE the Senate at this moment. The Dems had all three for the first two years. Yes, we have obstructionists like Sinema and Manchin. When Obama had a near supermajority, Lieberman was that very same obstructionist. I'm all for voting blue and hoping to expand our margins, but acting like we will get Progressive Wave America even if we got to fuckin 53 Senate seats is simply naive.
 
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