Whats the reason that the US has been supporting them on the genocide anyways? profit? Idk about that part of history.
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From the perspective of the military, Israel is basically a puppet state in the Middle East.
To quote a much younger Joe Biden, "If there weren't an Israel we'd have to invent an Israel."
We view it as our main entry point into the region.
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Not picking on you, but it's that kind of colonial thinking that is driving the instability within the Middle East. I cannot help but think that negotiations without the USA involved, and no military aid to Israel, would have ended this conflict a long time ago. As it stands the USA is effectively giving Israel carte blanche to carry out their genocide.
its less colonial thinking and more so colonial facts. israel is a colony state created by europe and the united states and it will act accordingly (i.e removing all natives) until its removed.
the removal of us from the picture would speed up israels downfall as its a colony that cannot survive without mainlain support. israel will never accept peace talks because it was not created to do so, all of its existence relies on death of palestinians, the us just supplies it with ammo to back up their genocidal goals.
Hard truths for sure.
I might go play Pokemon Blue on the Analogue Pocket for a bit after work. Sometimes the nature of this conflict is just overwhelming.
We talk a lot about the US, but Germany, Italy and the UK all give military support to Israel.
They do, though america is the base of the pyramid. get the US out and soon they all crumble and remove themselves, in a follow the leader way. Its also harder to pressure anyone from the global north to not just follow along with the US. Not that it cant be done obviously, but both the pressure and incentives go against it
Also, if the nation with the most interest and investment in the Zionist project decides that enough is enough and pulls support, it would be truly catastrophic optics for any other nation to continue their support. I conflate American support for Israel and broader Western support for Israel because I highly doubt that any other Western nation would continue supporting it if America backed out on the basis of the crimes that Israel is committing in the region. I feel that way because it would make them look terrible, and they don't have the weight to throw around in the face of bad optics that America does.
For sure, the pressure is well deserved as the US is the biggest contributor, but the others should be pressured too, at least the UK is reviewing the military aid it is sending to Israel. Though I think that Germany would continue the military aid even without the US.
They do, but they vote for UN Peace resolutions and even vote pro progress if taking a turn on the security council. We are the Joe Manchin of this issue.
But maybe it’s like with Manchin where if we didn’t exist other dissenters would appear lol
Aight this man was right. Recent polling (on 538) confirms literally everything RaikouLover said. I'm convinced, next time RL talks I'll listen.
This is what current polls show. Notably Maine splits up electoral votes but the second district now also is voting blue. Harris is ahead in 6 of 7 swing states. The 7th is Georgia and she's behind by less than 1%.
Suck it hard Trump.
Edit: I won't lie though there are some unfortunate similarities with this prediction map and the one from 2016. Don't worry I'm sure it's nothing.
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regardless of the current polls which show both essentially tied within the margin of error, though NC a bit better, imo GA red NC blue is a very unlikely outcome, which should be the least likely of the 4 possibilities. The only real reason I can see for NC to end up bluer than GA is if turnout in NC is massively buoyed by the governor's race.
I don't have numbers to back it up but I'd be very surprised for Georgia to have whipped up the entire goddamm state's dems in 2020 (and a runoff election!!!) and then suddenly be slated to be more red than NC only one presidential election later.
We live in hell
Harris Campaign (maybe DNC as a collective, not sure specifically who) was even allegedly in talks with allowing a speaker from a Palestinian American and then shot them down. I expect the protests to get much louder after this becomes more well known.
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Yep, this is why my local MP has virtually an email a week from me highlighting the issue, over and over again.
Don't think we're pro this - the majority of the UK's population has completely turned 180 degrees on the Israel/Palestine conflict.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/artic...s-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-may-2024-update
The tide is slowly turning - we are currently in the summer recess for government and when it is back in September, 11 months on, I am expecting some fiery debates again.
The Tory Party are at the heart of much of the UK support for Israel's genocide. Unsurprisingly they are getting found out now for their complicity in it.
No, we in the United States do not live in hell.
The sentiment I’m hearing in the black community has been twofold; we are not giving up eighty years of our civil rights over this issue and when are y’all going to bring that same heat to the Republicans who are running on wiping Gaza completely off the map.
I'm from the UK and this is actually quite surprising! I think the vast majority are fed up with the destruction around them. Thanks for sharing this, I hadn't seen this latest poll. Fills me with faith.
Idk if you know this but Trump is literally committing treason by telling Netanyahu to not sign a ceasefire so he's more likely to win the election, idk why you think protesting them would do anything lmao
(Protesters several states away at a Conservative rally) "Stop the genocide! Stop the genocide!"
(Trump in his cozy office) "Hey buddy boy Nety-yahu! Yeah, it's me; they say I have the biggest election chance [it's true, it's true!] Yup, right. If you don't sign the ceasefire, I'll let you turn Gaza into a golf course, understand me? The biggest golf course!"
we've went through this already but also, no, nobody is dumb enough to think that if trump said he will be better on gaza that he'd actually be telling th truth, because protestors aren't that stupid (as a collective); and republican strategists also know this
its a very stupid thing to keep chirping about, it's a whataboutism that makes no sense. the republican party isn't in power, they don't want to change, their candidate is literally committing treason to push the genocide agenda, and the military that republicans pander to even harder than the dems (somehow) also want to kill all palestinian
"if you really cared about palestine you'd stop protesting the democratic party and wasted your time, preferably out of ear shot, eyesight and away from my precious candidate who i love, and think is awesome; by the way the minority groups i know think you suck" (because no one in palestinian protests are minorities i guess?)
im gonna reiterate that 90% of the palestinian protesters want to vote for kamala but turns out some people have actual principles and think they can change her mind. maybe if you want the protesters to shutup then join in with telling the administration to change their ways!
I am just relaying the sentiment I’m hearing in the black community. The black community has significant pull in the 2024 Democratic Party. We are not dying on this hill. No matter how many times you say “protesting Republicans is useless” what we see is a double standard and smoke only being directed at the black woman.
People were protesting the white guy president approximately 30 days ago, he just isn't the nominee anymore.
Don't see how it's a double standard.
In general this is a "Your protesting is ineffective! You should protest this way that I, who doesn't believe in your protest, want you to!"
It's entirely bad faith
I just explained how it is a double standard. You aren’t demanding anything from the Republican Party. They are running for President, too. Remember?
The protests against Biden were also met with a side eye (go look at Biden’s popularity in the black community). The black community selected the last three Democratic nominees, you might want to listen.
How can you both talk of trump as hes going to be a mega dictator if he gets elected but also think that demanding something from him or the republican party which supports him almost fully is gonna do anything. The convo is gonna go "stop sending aid to israel" "kill yourself commie" but presented more nicely since they cant tell people to kill themselves. They don't even conceed to democrats which are just as much of ghouls as they are, tell me why they'd even listen to a single leftist demand unless they have a gun on their head
Because the Republican Party is not going to be pushef Left lol. This has been explained many times.
Also using a minority group to pretend there is a consensus to try to guilt people who are protesting a genocide is extremely cringe. Pretending that the Democratic cause = Civil Rights cause is also just ahistorical, and wrong. The stakes are the same for that community as they are for say, groups I belong to (queer and disabled), so I don't see why this is supposed to be a gotcha too.
In the theoretical Trump Nazi regime or whatever, you realize I get murdered right?
I fully believe that Trump is a threat to my existence and yet I'm not gonna vote for Kamala unless something changes because I'm not willing to sacrifice other people for my comfort. "Commit to voting for Kamala or let Trump win" is a false dichotmy, Kamala can change her position and promise policy at any time.
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