(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

[ant4456]

i also wanna add that eevee is the secondary mascot not just because of its broad appeal but because its gimmick symbolizes one of the biggest parts of pokemon, and most of its evos are super marketable too

eevee itself is marketable but it wouldnt be the pick over say, vulpix which is also popular especially alolan vulpix the year before LGPE, if it was just eevee

 

[Blue glass]

True heads know it was Clefairy the one which was replaced in LGPE.

 

[Ironmage]

i also wanna add that eevee is the secondary mascot not just because of its broad appeal but because its gimmick symbolizes one of the biggest parts of pokemon, and most of its evos are super marketable too

eevee itself is marketable but it wouldnt be the pick over say, vulpix which is also popular especially alolan vulpix the year before LGPE, if it was just eevee

I used to think Eevee would be an optimal primary mascot under this reasoning, but then LGPE chose to completely sideline its gimmick when promoting it to secondary mascot.

I've since given up on trying for workable mass appeal and have decided to instead champion Metagross as the best possible mascot because it's much harder to break what makes it interesting.

 

[ant4456]

I used to think Eevee would be an optimal primary mascot under this reasoning, but then LGPE chose to completely sideline its gimmick when promoting it to secondary mascot.

I've since given up on trying for workable mass appeal and have decided to instead champion Metagross as the best possible mascot because it's much harder to break what makes it interesting.

its not rlly sidelining the gimmick? because mascots are that.

mascots.

even as far back as Pokemon XY they made entire shorts about every eeveelution + some other marketable pokemon, like Pikachu. Eevee is a symbolic Pokemon, and neither it or Pikachu could evolve in that game.

playing into its gimmick in gameplay is almost an impossible task in effect because there are 8 pokemon. LGPE was just the "crowning" of Eevee, really; Eevee was one of the few non Alolan pokemon in Gen 7 to get a Z Move. its always going to be the sole pokemon of the line to get the gimmicks because doing 8 pokemon gimmicks to represent one just isnt really gonna happen

either way eevee being the evolution pokemon is 100% part of it, but also the fact that most of its evolutions are some of the most popular pokemon ever

 

[Worldie]

There is also the bonus point that Pikachu and Eevee (as well as some other mons like Meowth) are unevolved pokemon.

This is actually pretty significant, as it allows GF to give them stupidly overpowered ingame gimmicks that don't break the game cause they're on shit pokemon.
Imagine if Eevee's Zmove could actually be used by one of its evolutions. Or if Raichu could hold Light Ball.

 

[Yung Dramps]

Watch Z-A give every Eeveelution a Mega

 

[ant4456]

Watch Z-A give every Eeveelution a Mega

Tbh as an Eeveelution person I wouldn't want that

I also don't want a new Eeveelution in general. It'd be like Game Freak saying I have an extra child to love and care for when I didn't ask for it

 

[Esserise]

I still struggle to accept the fact that they apparently ever considered anything other than Eevee as the other half of LGP_ in the first place, considering that Eevee was literally the Pokémon that you would have started with in Yellow if Blue hadn’t got so uppity.

Like, making Eevee a usable Starter in a Yellow remake that aims to be a paired release just feels like such a self-evidently natural decision, and even more so with all of Eevee’s existing popularity in mind. How did they ever find themselves contemplating anything else?

 

[ant4456]

I still struggle to accept the fact that they apparently ever considered anything other than Eevee as the other half of LGP_ in the first place, considering that Eevee was literally the Pokémon that you would have started with in Yellow if Blue hadn’t got so uppity.

Like, making Eevee a usable Starter in a Yellow remake that aims to be a paired release just feels like such a self-evidently natural decision, and even more so with all of Eevee’s existing popularity in mind. How did they ever find themselves contemplating anything else?

The context for the project in general is it was mainly veteran staff, lots of people from the Kanto/Johto days on the project.

It was a very personal project and was Masuda's "swan song", so I guess it's not ENTIRELY surprising that they were considering a more personal pick. LGPE is often viewed from a very corporate lens as a $60 product but it is pretty much the devs themselves doing their own 20th anniversary Kanto nostalgia.

I'm sure that Eevee was more a corporate decision than anything, even as an Eevee fan.

 

[DrrT]

Psyduck could have gotten an Alolan evolution tho. Very weird it didn't happen. The only case I can think of "that mon is never getting regional forms" is Charizard.

Anyways. I love how GF seems to have decided that it was time for the old legendaried group to get some fresh additions.
- first the Kanto birds with Galarian Form (trought is kind of annoying they could have been released a gen later and they would have gotten their own names as convergent mons).
-The Beast with their Past Paradoxes
-The Regis with Regieleki and Regidrago
-The Lake Trio didn't get anything, but where important to LA's stories
-The Forces of Nature (We should just call them the Seasons at rhis point btw) with Enamorus
-The Musketeers with their Future Paradoxes
...and that's it since there are no groups in gen 6/8 and 9 is too early.

Which means that the only posible candidate to get something soon are the Tapus (reverse Zygarde situation)? I wonder if it would be a shared mega or another member.

I guess they can always go and give the Lat@s another member and burn the fandom to ashes, or maybe even the Calyrex horses could get a third one?

My point is that I absolutely adore it. Great way of revitalizing these groups. I just hope they don't push it too much- Enamorus made sense in Hisui, the Tapus in ZA would need Hoopa and changes to the lore to be in a region they don't even fit.

Thinking abour how Paradoxes are probably done, maybe they could use convergent lines or some kind of weird version of it for, for example Manaphy and Phione.

 

[Esserise]

I guess they can always go and give the Lat@s another member and burn the fandom to ashes, or maybe even the Calyrex horses could get a third one?

Strange Ending: Heatran gets some sort of counterpart, or like an underwater volcano-themed regional form

Personally, while I do like all of those additions, I kinda hope the Tapu are left out of it. Maybe this is a take for the unpopular opinion thread, but I’ve always preferred to have some level of imbalance when it comes to the distribution of things like evolution and forms and such. Or, maybe not “imbalance” per se, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing to leave some things untouched.

Like Dragonite. People talk about how it has unfortunately missed the boat on Megas, Z-Moves, regional forms, Gigantamax, etc. generation after generation, but all of those missed chances give me a sense of the original pseudo-legendary standing the test of time. Good ol’ Dragonite just is what it always has been, and doesn’t necessarily need to change.

I guess in my mind, when everything has some sort of gimmick or variant or offshoot, it just starts to feel like something being done out of obligation rather than as an organic choice. Of course, that’s not to say I think parity should always be avoided. I think it would definitely feel weird at this point to give, say, only some of the Eeveelutions a Mega Evolution, or what-have-you. They’re such a closely knit group that disparity in their case would feel more like exclusion. Whereas things like “pseudo-legendaries” or “minor legendary trios” are broader and less intrinsically linked, so them not all sharing the same creative paths makes sense to me.

(Funny enough though, I’m a tiny bit of a hypocrite here because, as you note, the Lake trio weren’t really revised in terms of design, but part of me wishes they had been, if only because I’ve always felt like they’re very same-y. The Forces of Nature quickly rectified their lack of design variation with the introduction of the Therian Forms in B2W2, and I sort of always wished that would happen for the Lake trio. Even more so in light of Legends: Arceus giving them each a related key item with a rather evocative name — Uxie’s Claw, Mesprit’s Plume, and Azelf’s Fang — but alas, I am willing to settle for them being one of the few “untouched” minor Legendary groups.)

 

[R_N]

Strange Ending: Heatran gets some sort of counterpart, or like an underwater volcano-themed regional form

Personally, while I do like all of those additions, I kinda hope the Tapu are left out of it. Maybe this is a take for the unpopular opinion thread, but I’ve always preferred to have some level of imbalance when it comes to the distribution of things like evolution and forms and such. Or, maybe not “imbalance” per se, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing to leave some things untouched.

Like Dragonite. People talk about how it has unfortunately missed the boat on Megas, Z-Moves, regional forms, Gigantamax, etc. generation after generation, but all of those missed chances give me a sense of the original pseudo-legendary standing the test of time. Good ol’ Dragonite just is what it always has been, and doesn’t necessarily need to change.

I guess in my mind, when everything has some sort of gimmick or variant or offshoot, it just starts to feel like something being done out of obligation rather than as an organic choice. Of course, that’s not to say I think parity should always be avoided. I think it would definitely feel weird at this point to give, say, only some of the Eeveelutions a Mega Evolution, or what-have-you. They’re such a closely knit group that disparity in their case would feel more like exclusion. Whereas things like “pseudo-legendaries” or “minor legendary trios” are broader and less intrinsically linked, so them not all sharing the same creative paths makes sense to me.

(Funny enough though, I’m a tiny bit of a hypocrite here because, as you note, the Lake trio weren’t really revised in terms of design, but part of me wishes they had been, if only because I’ve always felt like they’re very same-y. The Forces of Nature quickly rectified their lack of design variation with the introduction of the Therian Forms in B2W2, and I sort of always wished that would happen for the Lake trio. Even more so in light of Legends: Arceus giving them each a related key item with a rather evocative name — Uxie’s Claw, Mesprit’s Plume, and Azelf’s Fang — but alas, I am willing to settle for them being one of the few “untouched” minor Legendary groups.)

Different strokes and all that jazz but considering how varied the "additions" have been (up to & including "not actually getting anything beyond a new signature move" lmao), I think the variety makes up for it. Some got brand new members. Some got strange new variations that are their own thing but not. Some got new, segregate forms. Some got new, actual forms. None of it really feels out of obligation (otherwise I think the lakespirits would have gotten something more significant than a new move) as it is just wanting to remix old concepts for fun.

I think if the Tapu get something "new" it'll be a Kommo-o styled instance: a replacement for their Z-Move. Guardian of Alola is pretty distinct as far as Z moves go since it's meant to represent the Strange Souvenir, it summons this giant being of energy they pilot and kind of seems like unstated lore implications. It feels like something that should still get some form of representation & I think the only reason they didn't get a move is because they were added well after the fact and I assume they wanted to focus on the other folks.
(side note I still think its a shame Eternabeam got the axe entirely. Not even in the "just use the unused generic version of it". Just have a floating jpeg of eternamax show up if you dont want to bring over the model!)

 

[ant4456]

I think pulling a Mega Lati and giving every Tapu basically the same mega but with their types and abilities is possible, with it based on Guardian of Alola, as R_N said.

im still mad about ultra necrozma not being in two gens bc z move lock so like if we do get an alola legendary mega i hope its just ultra necrozma as a mega

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Fuck Masuda, so I hope Psyduck never gets anything, and I hope it's bottom-tier in Unite as well.

 

[bdt2002]

Fuck Masuda, so I hope Psyduck never gets anything, and I hope it's bottom-tier in Unite as well.

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Real question here- is Pichu in Pokémon Unite yet? Because the devs adding Pichu to Unite and finally adding the ukulele after so many games have failed to do so, only to lock it behind and expensive paywall is absolutely something I could see the greedy Unite developers doing, whether it be as a move in-game or an alternate costume.

I would love to say this is another Pichu Propaganda Post from yours truly, but I remember one of the Pokémon developers said Pichu was their favorite Pokémon at some point. Look, if we can’t get this thing in Smash or in Pokémon Go (a game that brought back Shadow Pokémon of all things), Unite might be our last hope, let me have this

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Real question here- is Pichu in Pokémon Unite yet? Because the devs adding Pichu to Unite and finally adding the ukulele after so many games have failed to do so, only to lock it behind and expensive paywall is absolutely something I could see the greedy Unite developers doing, whether it be as a move in-game or an alternate costume.

I would love to say this is another Pichu Propaganda Post from yours truly, but I remember one of the Pokémon developers said Pichu was their favorite Pokémon at some point. Look, if we can’t get this thing in Smash or in Pokémon Go (a game that brought back Shadow Pokémon of all things), Unite might be our last hope, let me have this

No idea. I'd have to get paid to play Unite.

 

[bdt2002]

No idea. I'd have to get paid to play Unite.

Honestly, yeah, that checks out. I’m not sure I’d want to get flanked by a Pichu + Psyduck core anyways. (as a fellow Unite denier, I would imagine getting emoted on by Masuda’s favorite Pokémon is already grounds for uninstalling the game in real life)

 

[Esserise]

Different strokes and all that jazz but considering how varied the "additions" have been (up to & including "not actually getting anything beyond a new signature move" lmao), I think the variety makes up for it. Some got brand new members. Some got strange new variations that are their own thing but not. Some got new, segregate forms. Some got new, actual forms. None of it really feels out of obligation (otherwise I think the lakespirits would have gotten something more significant than a new move) as it is just wanting to remix old concepts for fun.

True, this is a very good point and I do agree. I don’t think the current state of things is really a problem at all, to be honest — I think the different approaches they’ve taken to revisiting those Legendary groups have all been creatively valid and fun.

Personally, I wouldn’t even put “new signature move” on anywhere near the same level as anything that involves a new design revision anyway, so to my mind, the Lake trio basically are still “untouched” alongside the tapu. Creating some watered-down version of Guardian of Alola for the tapu would register in much the same way to me.

I think the point I’m trying to make is really just speaking in broader terms about the possibility of there being some value in not revisiting every past iteration of a concept through a new lens. Every now and again, for instance, I’ll see threads on reddit about how almost every single evolutionary line from Gen 1 has been modified in some way, be it through Megas, regional forms, Gigantamax forms, new evolutions, pre-evolutions, convergent species, Paradoxes, and so on, with most of the few that haven’t being gimmick mons like Ditto. The Dratini line is like one of the last bastions of pure Gen 1-ness, and I often feel like that should be left as it is.

I mean, if Game Freak have a good idea for Mega Dragonite or Kalosian tapu, then by all means, they should go for it, because shutting down a fun idea out of some arbitrary sort of preservationism like what I’m preaching would be silly. But equally, I’m rather skeptical of the sense I get from those aforementioned threads; the sense that fans think GF need to tick the last few boxes simply because they still have yet to be ticked.

 

[Bakugames]

Psyduck would have been better than eevee because eevee is boring and psyduck is yellow, and yellow is the best color there is. That's why pikachu is so popular, its the yellow

 

[Sonikku A]

Psyduck would have been better than eevee because eevee is boring and psyduck is yellow, and yellow is the best color there is. That's why pikachu is so popular, its the yellow

Yellow was sadly WHY he wasn't chosen for LGPE. They really sad "too much yellow"

 

[Bakugames]

Yellow was sadly WHY he wasn't chosen for LGPE. They really sad "too much yellow"

No..................................... it can't be..................................................

 

[ant4456]

Real question here- is Pichu in Pokémon Unite yet?

No.

It's complicated but basically some Pokemon have or don't have different parts of their line. On release date people thought maybe Baby Pokemon specifically weren't in because most Baby Pokemon applicable were not in, including Riolu, Pichu, Mime Jr, Munchlax, Igglybuff did not exist in the game. Pikachu was always a special case with it not evolving into Raichu.

Duraludon doesn't evolve into Archaludon because it came out during Gen 8. For some reason, Clefairy is a two stage line that skips Cleffa. Marill also skips Azurill. Happiny is skipped.

At first I thought Charcadet was the first Baby Pokemon in Unite, but I guess I just made that fact up in my head? Charcadet aren't Baby Pokemon? What? Okay, so yeah no, Baby Pokemon just aren't in Unite.

Some other oddities:

Psyduck doesn't evolve similarly to Pikachu.

Every Eeveelution in the game evolves from Eevee, but every Eevee is a bit different while mostly being the same Pokemon. There's icons over Pokemon that tags them as their Pokemon, and every Eevee has a little indicator of what it evolves into so players don't have to remember.

If you think it's dumb that Lucario basically just got to spawn as a Lucario at the beginning of the game, no need to evolve like most Pokemon, I promise you that actually mattered in gameplay and Lucario was in fact one of the most broken Pokemon in Unite history, and part of that is it could 1v2 lanes early game and had broken attacks.

Most 3 Stage evolution Pokemon have an awkward early game unless they evolve super early, which starters like Delphox can. Pokemon like Gardevoir, Garchomp and Tyranitar have their final evolution as being when they finally become good with it taking pretty late levels. Not having to do a Baby form helps out a lot of these Pokemon, albeit it isn't a big enough boost to where there's a trend of them being better than Pokemon that are evolutions.

 

[Bakugames]

At first I thought Charcadet was the first Baby Pokemon in Unite, but I guess I just made that fact up in my head? Charcadet aren't Baby Pokemon? What? Okay, so yeah no, Baby Pokemon just aren't in Unite.

To be fair

This is a baby

 

[R_N]

Toxel's been the only Baby Pokemon since Gen 4, incidentally.
Probably on the back of literally being a baby, design-wise. For some reason. Kinda feels like there should be a mid stage in there somewhere...

 

[DrrT]

I suppose they figured people are just not that interested in babies anymore. After Duraludon didn't get one in ID and how breeding works in SV, I don't except them to ever be a thing again honestly.