No I didn’t, why are you making up lies about me? Quote the post from that thread where I called you a fascist.
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No I didn’t, why are you making up lies about me? Quote the post from that thread where I called you a fascist.
I know I'm kind of quote mining here but it's not like the rest of your post has anything worthwhile.
But wtf??? "I have seen some concerning behaviors from him, all of them reinforcing my belief that he's someone who has dedicated significant time and effort to researching and outing fascists"???
Not that anybody called you fascist - you got off last time as being simply stupid instead of actively malicious - but you're not really beating the hypothetical fascist allegations bro...Why would researching and outing fascists be "concerning"????
Don't you think overusing a word that has a different meaning for everyone just makes it harder for everyone to understand your arguments and not saying what your definition of fascist is basically defeats the point of using the word.
that's not what I said, but in hindsight, thats what it did sound like. the main concerning behavior I found was him allegedly stalking divine. the reason for this, in my eyes, is obviously that he was trying to figure out if divine was a facist.
I remember a bunch of posts during that discussion being deleted, and as I thought, that was one of them. I do distinctly remember that what you said was something along the lines of "interesting that all scenarios created by facists are hypotheticals" in response to an analogy I made.
oh fuck, I didn't know that. could you pull up the post where he said that?
whoops.
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Isn’t it weird how boo spends so much time complaining about, personally attacking, and stalking the people who align with anarchism, and also mocked me for being trans and arab, to say nothing of past incidents of harassing and attacking trans users, and yet that to you validates that he’s anti-fascist? Lmao
Still no evidence to suggest that I indiscriminately call people fascists btw, unless you’re seriously going to contend that the republican party aren’t a party of fascists in 2024, and zero evidence of where i called you a fash
Still no evidence to suggest that I indiscriminately call people fascists btw, unless you’re seriously going to contend that the republican party aren’t a party of fascists in 2024, and zero evidence of where i called you a fash
Fair enough I guess. I still have the suspicion in the back of my mind that that was a Freudian typo but I guess it's more likely that it was just a typo from 1v3ing people and typing fast.
big red flag. sounds like a dangerous obsession and paranoia w the nerds on this website being foreign agents and terrorists, likely motivated by the reaction formation that gives valor to the relatively passive activity of trying to own each other itt. but in fact it's just reclusive adhd ppl all the way down and some ppl have ego and anger issues. there are def certain users you should hardcore avoid and those would be ppl who think there is any chance a user like divine retribution is secretly a fascist actor. thanks for sharing it helps keep us all safe.
If this is true that is insanely embarassing and creepy
I'm not super inclined to trash talk people who aren't even allowed to post in this thread to respond, but if you're referring to this interaction...
This most mostly said in jest and to highlight the fact that, despite confidently asserting that he knew my every activity over the last 8 years, he clearly knew nothing and it's kind of ridiculous to think otherwise. If he's stalking me, he's doing a really bad job of it if that's the conclusion he reached. I agree that it's probably a good idea to ignore him but not because he's a stalker, although if he actually had the ability to do so then that might be different. He does (allegedly) spend his free time doxing Nazis, which isn't something I'm going to complain about, but he is pretty convinced I'm a secret Nazi or a future Republican convert or something based on the fact that I dared to argue with him so I dunno.
Oh, and then after I stepped out of the thread for a while he did also demand Sabelette post evidence that she had committed crimes to the goal of anti-fascism, which is the most federal agent shit that has ever taken place in this thread. So maybe he is stalking us if we got assigned the most incompetent CIA agent in the bureau.
This most mostly said in jest and to highlight the fact that, despite confidently asserting that he knew my every activity over the last 8 years, he clearly knew nothing and it's kind of ridiculous to think otherwise. If he's stalking me, he's doing a really bad job of it if that's the conclusion he reached. I agree that it's probably a good idea to ignore him but not because he's a stalker, although if he actually had the ability to do so then that might be different. He does (allegedly) spend his free time doxing Nazis, which isn't something I'm going to complain about, but he is pretty convinced I'm a secret Nazi or a future Republican convert or something based on the fact that I dared to argue with him so I dunno.
Oh, and then after I stepped out of the thread for a while he did also demand Sabelette post evidence that she had committed crimes to the goal of anti-fascism, which is the most federal agent shit that has ever taken place in this thread. So maybe he is stalking us if we got assigned the most incompetent CIA agent in the bureau.
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Uncommitted movement declines to endorse Harris. Yet, is warning against both Trump and protest voting. Not surprised either way. The claim is that the group officially has 100,000 voters in Michigan.
This movement is so based. Applaud both their character and realism— they are the adults in the room.
It’s sad the Harris campaign won’t grow a spine, but Uncommitted’s principled support for voting Democrat in spite of her will make pressuring her much easier for the cause if she wins.
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I don't see why Harris has to care to cater to them. If she's elected, why would she be beholden to an uncomitted movement that's so cowardly that they proved they'll still vote for the dems despite being called uncommited? Their votes will be guaranteed as long as someone like trump is on the race, so all the dems have to do is keep trump around, which they gladly will do.
This is the thing that's never clicked with me, though I understand where the Uncommitted movement is coming from in principle. If you don't explicitly endorse Harris, but you do endorse voting against Trump and his contingent, what's the material difference? Unless the Republicans defy all trends, pull themselves out of their fascist death spiral, and become a party that leftists are actually okay with letting the Democrats lose to, how are the Democrats actually supposed to feel pressure from this?
Dems aren’t “keeping Trump around.” He overwhelmingly won the Republican primary for the third time. Dems have no say on who the Republicans nominate.
It’s a sad state in American politics but it is what it is. Harris will win with a lot of soft coalition support. It will show up in her disapproval ratings the moment her administration faces adversity. Similar to what happened to Biden. This is the new norm. Most people dislike the Democrats but they are the only game in town.
They feel pressure. That pressure got incumbent President Biden to drop out.
They felt pressure from the perceived weakness of Biden's campaign, but that's only partially related to his handling of Gaza at best, as can be seen in their willingness to rally around a candidate who really isn't that materially different from Biden on the issue.
Vibes, bro. Americans don’t care about policy, let alone foreign policy. Harris Gaza policy is no different from Biden, yet look at her skyrocketing approval rating!
Dems are keeping trump around because they love when Trump is around. It's an easy way to farm for voters by constantly going "well so you want Trump to win?" to any criticism of their party, and if Trump does win they can point at all the bad things that happened and go "this is why you should have voted for us", and then not implement any changes or improvements when they get elected (remember when the wall was a horrible thing that only trump could have done, and now both Biden and Kamala are committed to strengthen the ICE and border patrols?).
Democrats are not victims being attacked by the media, they're politicians who have found a successful strategy that can bring results without giving an inch to leftist politics, and the party is moving right at alarming rates. Sure, they sometimes lose, but your party will always lose at one point in two party politics anyway, better lose to a candidate that you can use to fuel fear and voters towards yourself (and I will say, it's funny how much dem voters salivate for a one party state, but if you imply that most of them will deny it and say they're not "tankies" lol);
Sorry but this is just rhetoric. Democrats have nothing to do with the Republican primary process. Trump won overwhelmingly; it wasn’t competitive. That’s who the Republican voters chose. Stop blaming the Democrats for Republican actions.
Dems perpetuate the same systemic problems that enabled a figure like Trump to arise in the first place.
We don’t have to get it for it to be true. It’s just like ‘Why did Biden do or try to do so much Progressive economic policy even when the Berniecrats caved and endorsed him right away?’ No idea— you also have no idea of the discussions between Biden and Bernie back stage. Regardless, voting for the candidate rather than withholding does more for the cause.
Kamala Harris has a huge ego and chip on her shoulder— she’ll have more to prove than Biden did, and he also was waaaay easier for progressives to manipulate than Obama or Clinton, again because of the chip on Biden’s shoulder. And if she weeks out a naaaarrrrrow win in Michigan with the support of some Arab/Muslim voters…
Also as I mentioned before, just shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame her outside the White House. Shame her on MSNBC. Shame her on the Breakfast Club. All of that is waaaaay easier if she wins, and if your coalition is not perceived as Trump enablers because you sucked it up and voted Democrat; as they have recommended. Having had their members vote Democrat, Uncommitted will continue to have access to all those pro-Democrat channels. She can ignore them and sit in her White House, but her ego and self-perception will constantly be stained if she does nothing.
Then there’s the international community. You notice how since Oct 7th Biden really lost the ability to speak of himself as the leader of the free world, or restoring our ally ships to strength— he couldn’t position himself as the global respect candidate with Japan, Korea, and all our European allies constantly moving contrary to our votes on Israel issues and the UN’s genocide charges. Imagine how much that sits in his craw, or how much it diminishes his own image of his legacy.
Shame. Shame. Shame. Shaming. Shaming these people’s fragile egos is all we have, but it’s definitely not nothing against such egomaniacs.
It worked on the Republicans— it can work on Dems too. After the election, Uncommitted should blitz every Dem station and say “These assholes are sending weapons to baby killers— they’re fucking weird.”
#she’sweirdtoo
^only for use after November folks, keep it wrapped up.
See if they are able to ignore.
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This is a completely different accusation than “Dems are keeping Trump around,” which is just blatant disinformation.
Biden is a pro-worker Democrat so I doubt much handwringing was needed from the Berniecrats on that particular front.
Re: shame. Shaming only works on Democrats. The media, protesters, and many folks in this thread have all admitted there is no point in holding Republicans accountable for anything.
Speaking of which, I hear something is coming out about NC gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson. So damning that convicted felon Trump wants him to drop out. This would be astonishing if it happens. They are the party of criminals and pedophiles. What could possibly make them shameful at this point in time?
Oh yeah I saw this. Apparently the candidate's defense is basically "fake news, lol." Wonder if the powers of the party will force him out or let him get absolutely demolished in the race.
Not hand-wringing, but having Bernie in his campaign, his ear, his trust, and seeing Bernie’s popularity certainly I think made it easier for Bernie to influence Biden’s perception what would be a great legacy. Biden didn’t have to try to do Build Back Better either.
Completely agree. But I think Democrats love of self-engrandized image of being the leaders of civility, diversity, human rights, objective reality, science, bunnies and rainbows— that’s not just cynical; to a degree they’ve drank their own cool aid and can have their feelings affected by brown people constantly appearing on the tv and podcasts they watch and calling them baby killers with the facts to back it up—
That will at least hurt their feelings. Shame can work on them.
Uncommitted’s stance on principle not endorsing Harris while telling their voters to vote Democrat— it’s the best response.
~ tbc, at least in my understanding, boo was banned not rly for particular 'substantive political postions', but for being continuously vitriolic to other users for no reason, as well as making all kinds of baseless assumptions in those vitriolic attacks. in this post that i believe u are referencing, https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-politics-thread.3743029/post-10197184 boo continued their constant behavior of claiming that they know who is and isnt (or has/hasnt been) "part of the antifascist movement", not even rly clearly defined but this is smogon forums and they do not know any of us to have any basis whatsoever to be making such claims and it also is just a totally ridiculous way of engaging with people in a video game forum. while im not v familiar with zoomer lingo, the 'smol bean' name-calling def reads as an attempt at a personal insult. and u also have in this post a continuation of the pattern of absurd assumptions as the basis for personal attacks, literally no one was defending north korea yet this entire post revolves around accusing people of doing so. similar patterns before in boos dozens of posts accusing anyone who says something critical of the democratic party as being a "jill stein apologist" and therefore a apologist for violence committed by the chinese govt (she made some gross comments abt that apparently), even tho literally no one in this thread cares about jill stein she was mentioned exactly once by anyone other than boo and it was a very casual passing mention, also other baseless accusations of being apologists for PSL, j frankly it felt impossible to have any conversation with them because anything anyone said would just get u accused for 10 other unrelated things that boo arbitrarily decided somehow associates with what u said. and ofc boo as the #premierantifascist in history is the expert on every correct and incorrect position so if u argue then they hit u with the "im the real anti fascist you are irrelevant" rhetoric.
idk if there was smthg specifically about that page 46 post that crossed the line for mods from my pov there were dozens of prior posts that were at least as bad if not much worse, but regardless these behavior patterns p clearly violate the standards of conduct of the thread, attacking people on a personal level, strawmanning ad hominems instead of engaging with what people have actually said, etc etc etc.
~ obv i cant comment on deleted posts in a smogon thread that i do not follow, but i think this is an example where u are treating criticism of fascist politics as a statement about someone's personal character, rather than the criticism of the positions they have taken which is what it is. the us republican party has a white supremacist programme in pretty much every 'policy area', supporting such a programme is objectively supporting politics that i would term fascist. (the democratic party has a white supremacist programme in a number of 'areas' too, but not as thoroughly, so one might not react in the same way solely from someone expressing support for a democratic party political programme.)
being fascist is not a personality trait and neither sabelette nor anyone else is suggesting that promoting fascist politics is somehow permanent. just as we are all potentially susceptible to fascist propaganda, we are all capable of reversing course.
~ on a entirely separate note but bc this has been referenced again and i wasnt present at the time of this post, there is no "danger of criticism of israel leading to antisemitism." this is a specific propoganda apparatus that zionism has spent decades building and the process of the zionist state achieving hegemonic control over defining, investigating, and criticizing "antisemitism" (quotes bc its rly what it considers to be antisemitism, under the philosemitic redefinition, which is very different from actual antisemitism).
most zionists are not jewish, the largest zionist organizations are explicitly christian, and the primary material forces that are responsible for the 'creation' of the zionist entity as a State and for maintaining it over the past 80 years have nothing to do with jewish people. to the extent there is any connection between zionism and actual antisemitism, the connection is that zionism has allied with antisemitism throughout its history (both before and after 1948), and they feed off of each other by design. the likud tried to form an alliance with hitler and mussolini during wwii. theodor herzl always propogated that antisemites (ie euroamerikan antisemites, antisemitism was a specifically european phenomenon but also herzl didnt gaf about the colonized world he was only thinking of europeans) would be the biggest allies of zionism bc antisemitic europeans didnt want jews in their own countries. zionism materially requires the continuation of antisemitism around the world in order to incentivize people to leave their homes and become settler colonists, and it works to produce such antisemitism by carrying out imperialist violence in the name of jewish people and insisting that the only way to oppose that imperial violence is to be antisemitic. this can be seen historically in the zionist entity's alliances with the most extreme white supremacist governments around the world ever since 1948. in the cases of apartheid south africa and Pinochet's military dictatorship in chile, the zionist state was one of the biggest suppliers of weapons to these regimes and they would not have been able to carry out their mass crimes at scale without its assistance. ('supplier' can be in quotes bc the zionist entity was mainly acting as a middleman for eg the us government to ship weapons to these regimes, enabling the us to pretend to adhere to a boycott of apartheid south africa or to distance itself from the pinochet regime that it had itself installed). israel today openly discusses the importance of its alliances with antisemitic regimes in poland and hungary, and eg in 2021 when poland passed the restitution law denying all future legal claims regarding property in poland stolen by nazis, there were some initial symbolic/performative reactions but ultimately zionism and particularly far right zionism (ofc all zionism is far right, but the 'far right within zionism') was very clear that the value of its alliances with fascist regimes in eastern europe were much more important than the conditions or safety of jewish people in those countries.
antizionism and antisemitism are associated in discourse entirely because of an ideological campaign that has fought to do so, and to present white supremacist zionist organizations like the ADL as "authorities on antisemitism." the ADL has propogated violence against black and indigenous leftists throughout its history, its is ofc absurd for an organization that has acted to defend white supremacy at every turn to be represented as an "authority on antisemitism", but this is the world we live in under the philosemitic redefinition and weaponization of antisemitism.
https://droptheadl.org/
"in assigning itself the role of “protector of Jews”, white Euro-America becomes responsible for defining who is a Jew and who is a threat to the Jews. When philosemitic white Euro-America is defining the Jew, that they will then “protect,” they find that the real Jewish community doesn’t so neatly fit into the box they have crafted for us. Because of the contradictions created by the philosemitic definition of Jew, in the public conscience, Jew necessarily becomes a term removed from the Jewish people and antisemite becomes a fluid category which serves as a rhetorical tool to push philosemitism. Jews become ideas, as opposed to real people. This is why Mike Pence can host a Christian “rabbi” in the wake of an antisemitic massacre.
"The Jewish people who agree with philosemites about the definition of antisemitism are publicly ‘respected’ while the Jewish people who disagree with the philosemitic definition of antisemitism are discredited and delegitimized. The Jewish people who agree with this definition are bestowed with the ability to be spokespeople about what antisemitism is and how it must be fought. The people who refuse to accept that philosemitic redefinition of antisemitism, including Jewish people, are conversely held to be a threat to the Jews."
criticism of israel does not carry a "danger of leading to antisemitism". if anything carries a "danger of leading to antisemitism", it is limiting one's criticism of israel in a way that keeps within the boundaries of philosemitism.
"The anti-fascist anti-colonial struggle being waged by the anti-zionist resistance, against genocidal zionist colonialism, is piercing the heart of the systems of global white supremacy and ‘western civilization’ that have made philosemitism a core component of their identity. and it is these very systems that produce antisemitism in the first place. In this way, every booby trap set by the anti-zionist resistance which detonates under a tank on its way to raze a Palestinian neighborhood and every well-placed sniper shot brings us closer to a world without antisemitism.
In effect, it is those deemed ‘antisemites’ by the philosemitic white supremacist world that are fighting antisemitism. We must join them in this fight, celebrate their successes and mourn their martyrs, study their tactics and ideas, and do everything in our power to put an end to the zionist genocide." (https://emcohen.medium.com/the-only-way-out-is-through-e9f209d05338)
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