NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win

My lynch pool for the day would be like Pulsar, Skipper, Flandrs and maybe an honorable mention to CK or Bluedoom because I think I could clear a few people off either of them flipping scum. I probably think CK slightly over Bluedoom in terms of town cred but both are null / very light tl.
 
Nuxl said:
im not entertaining a vote on AP ever i think

ill buy lazy!dusk town too, ill give m2h a pass for both being depressed and active in thread

i townlean des still but not as much as before
flanders being afk today gives me a bit of heebie jeebies but hes still above the null line for his entrance
and i have a secret townlean on thechickening i dont wanna out

this leaves needing to find like 5 town in

a fairy
ImaginaryNeon
JALMONT
SherlockADH
CrreamyKitty
pulsar512b
Aura Guardian
realiti
bluedoom
skippergamez
Dead by Daylight
Lechen
NightEmerald
HydrogenHydreigon
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hydro/a fairy/lechen all did stuff i vaguely townread but not strong enough to put them in pool above

bluedoom > realiti [i want to townread for agreeing with but expressing hesitance that i dont want to outright clear them as "being agreeable" is really easy on dead d1s - esp realiti cos ive put my hand on a burning stove twice now and is saying stuff that looks vaguely partnery with ppl like skipper]

JALMONT DBD sherlock CK skippergamez null line

ImaginaryNeon

NE/aura guardian

pulsar

Honestly i'm kinda weaksauce, this feels like I'll need to reevaluate this later but that's where my gut's at least for d1 wagons
 
<- no (super investigative) meta solving nuxl has a 5th of the power as meta overlord nuxl

is this the sacrifice i have to endure to work a full time job?
 
M2H said:
My lynch pool for the day would be like Pulsar, Skipper, Flandrs and maybe an honorable mention to CK or Bluedoom because I think I could clear a few people off either of them flipping scum. I probably think CK slightly over Bluedoom in terms of town cred but both are null / very light tl.
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this isnt terrible - albeit with the rate things are going id like to collude on a wagon that could stack to CK's number
 
Honestly as I was digging through - this is a weird read but I thought flanders hated the game more as scum. the content in working title seemed way more aggressive? that being said he actually dipped in that game too and went mia after what seemed like a stronger entrance, so shrug
 
M2H said:
Nuxl Would you agree with these anti-pairing reads:

NOT CK / NE
NOT CK / Bluedoom
NOT Bluedoom / DbD
NOT Bluedoom / NE
NOT Tommy / Des
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honestly i dont really think about pairing reads, this is by all means mountainous so putting yourself in a working hole like that seems horrible because a strong bus could win you the game

like ok yeah ck/ne probable sure, bluedoom made exactly 5 posts this phase btw with static ass wagons, but you also just put two of my townreads in tommy/des as a nonpair like im agreeing with you by extension
 
Nuxl said:
honestly i dont really think about pairing reads, this is by all means mountainous so putting yourself in a working hole like that seems horrible because a strong bus could win you the game

like ok yeah ck/ne probable sure, bluedoom made exactly 5 posts this phase btw with static ass wagons, but you also just put two of my townreads in tommy/des as a nonpair like im agreeing with you by extension
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I read people by watching for things that I don't think they would do in certain situations. Since you agreed with my other reads, I'll bring attention to Bluedoom here. Bluedoom called out skipper / Lechen / DbD as people on the CK wagon and assumed the CK wagon is suspicious. This was actually a very telling post because Bluedoom would have singled out CK here (unlikely as a partner -- would look awful after a CK scum flip). I'm gonna say Bluedoom could have made the post with Lechen because Lechen has decent town cred. He acknowledges skipper out of the group so I'll say that is not likely a pairing but could be. But what Bluedoom did with NE and DbD was a lot more interesting. If DbD and BD are allied, BD would have singled out DbD in reverse by skipping over him and voting somebody else entirely. Not a likely maneuver since that singles out a partner and also renders your analysis meaningless. BD having a reasonable justification to vote in that set and YET choosing to vote NE would be such a crazy way to single out a partner and is not something that the usually cautious Bluedoom would want to do.
 
thanks for sharing the thought process

not gonna nod my head and say this lines up and im following you on this 100% (I had to check back but my eyes are glazing over your post on a reread lmfaoo ) or anything but i do wanna say that you should just keep these future reads quiet and out them when you think you get a hit on one of them

ftr since you put bluedoom in your vote pool due to partners stuff i don’t think this inherently justifies that unless you explicitly have a good reason to not town read him atm, reminder that the state of the day rn has CK on a large runaway so a team where CK isn’t on atm can literally do whatever they want
 
I say all of this to say, in a vacuum NE / Bluedoom / CK are probably the most useful info votes I have come up with, pulsar / flanders / skipper for my actual reads.
 
Nuxl said:
I can probably buy DBD just hyperfixating on one person, like he's not scared to do it and i mean wtf does that mean for his slot if he's wrong as scum, which seems like a tactic that id expect people less familiar rolling scum to not employ. I'd say he's trending up

aura guardians content is pretty confusing to sift through but i swear to god he copypasted one of his previous posts with garbage reasoning following a bandwagon vote from a past mafia game and he happened to be town there. I'm not sure what I'm trying to convey by posting this, I just unfortunately think his content really sucks but it just happens to not be out of his element...?
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wrt: I think you do bring up a good point wrt its generally bad play to hyperfixate as scum. Unsure though because a)In my experience with him in other maf games and diplo, he doesn't think long term and b)tunneling is often a scum tactic anyway(although he hasn't gotten to that level)

I didn't get much AI content from ag too, confused about the past game stuff tho
 
bluedoom said:
wrt: I think you do bring up a good point wrt its generally bad play to hyperfixate as scum. Unsure though because a)In my experience with him in other maf games and diplo, he doesn't think long term and b)tunneling is often a scum tactic anyway(although he hasn't gotten to that level)

I didn't get much AI content from ag too, confused about the past game stuff tho
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LMFAO ouch

my expectation of newer scum players might be a bit different. its not gonna apply to everyone but yeah. I know Tommy has teamed with him before so if he shows up it’s probably going to be noticeable to him better

i saw a post on page 2 of a different game where he literally just said something like “Anyway, im going to hop on this bandwagon because I agree with X” as town like that awkward post he made in his opener here. not really AI but it struck me as well, overly similar
 
NightEmerald said:
wow its really been a while since ive played mafia im getting stomachaches over just 4 pages

Nuxl is giving me a headache in terms of trying to read, because theyre definitely making progress, ie, pressing (i think thats the best word) people on page 4, they literally explain their thought process for it as they do it, and it makes sense, but it feels more like an obligation than a thought, lining up with the way they present themselves as experienced. As a result, barring extenuating circumstance I’ll probably wait to vote them because theyll either be promoting good discussion or get outed by prs (or both), based on what ive seen from them already.
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because this was literally a whole lot of nothing as well
 
Nuxl said:
LMFAO ouch

my expectation of newer scum players might be a bit different. its not gonna apply to everyone but yeah. I know Tommy has teamed with him before so if he shows up it’s probably going to be noticeable to him better

i saw a post on page 2 of a different game where he literally just said something like “Anyway, im going to hop on this bandwagon because I agree with X” as town like that awkward post he made in his opener here. not really AI but it struck me as well, overly similar
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Yeah I think that opener could come from him as town too, reason why I'm not fully comfortable voting him. Point taken tho, if you trust the tommy town thing then he should give us a better idea at reading dbd.

I didn't know that you were scumreading ne before me. You should join me in voting him, clearly.
 
bluedoom said:
Yeah I think that opener could come from him as town too, reason why I'm not fully comfortable voting him. Point taken tho, if you trust the tommy town thing then he should give us a better idea at reading dbd.

I didn't know that you were scumreading ne before me. You should join me in voting him, clearly.
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wheres tommy

tempting albeit possibly some people will join us on each of our wagons! i'll be on a relevant vote by eod likely
 
ok
bluedoom said:
Nuxl sorry my guy, ended up getting busy yesterday and completely forgot about the game.

I'm thinking of voting nightemerald here off of the post that he made in this page, I know the guy to be solvey and that post felt like a whole lot of nothing. there's a lot of fence sitting wrt the CK read and tbh idrc about the townreads on Lechen/skipperz, where is a counterwagon to that? Do you have an alternative vote to propose, NightEmerald ?

The other scumread that I have in mind based off of votals and general presence in the thread is Lechen; I know that the guy has been demotivated by rolling scum in forever in these mafia games, and I expected his presence to be much more. I'm not inspired by the CK vote(I haven't been getting any scum vibes from CK either) so it makes me wonder, did he just roll maf again?

Is there a reason why CK/skipperz/ag are wagons? Personally I would not vote skipperz here because I think he's miselim bait and his game is in line with what I've read of his town game in past games. In light of that I think I'm surprised to see M2H voting skipperz tbh? What are your reasons for that M2H ? I'm not able to place you cuz I was sure that you were gonna be excited to play but tbh I didn't expect some of your posts explaining your demotivation in the last two pages.

Personally I'm fine ignoring jalmont and neon until later phases.
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I thought my read on CK was clear, let me clarify. I TR CK for imo, making a lot of deeper level posts (off the top of my head, the remarks on jalmont dont seem like something id expect from scum), and generally being unafraid to put names out there. While the opposite isn’t necessarily scummy, i view playing scum as an attempt to delay the town’s ability to solve without them realizing you’re doing so, and so what ck’s doing is just towny in my eyes.

What may have given you the impression of flip floppiness is the earlier parts. To clarify, they’re moreso “I see how saber and lechen could sr ck if you look at the post they’re looking at like xyz”

Which brings me to your question. Right now, I would vote dead by daylight, because of a couple things.
1: I think the push on ck is partially disingenuous because personally I see them as making several good posts
2: I think Lechen and Saber had reasons to vote ck that I’m not irritated by
3: the way des phrased their interest in voting ck didnt feel like scum trying to push a mislim because of the several vote candidates they mentioned, not all were people with preexisting thread traction i dont think
 
Maybe no vote is a play. I scumread CK but there has been no resistance to the wagon which is weird and def concerning because mafia doesn't let their partner die day 1 surely. My only other scumlean is like skipper but I really don't feel confident on basing my vote solely on them being kind of hedgy idk considering they kinda look unpaired with CK now due to the eagerness to vote them and one of the major reasons I scumlean skipper was he looked like he was textbook distancing from CK
 
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