NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win

Maybe no vote is a play. I scumread CK but there has been no resistance to the wagon which is weird and def concerning because mafia doesn't let their partner die day 1 surely. My only other scumlean is like skipper but I really don't feel confident on basing my vote solely on them being kind of hedgy idk considering they kinda look unpaired with CK now due to the eagerness to vote them and one of the major reasons I scumlean skipper was he looked like he was textbook distancing from CK
nah no vote is bad

vote -> nk -> vote bell d2 -> vote someone else after = 4 kills for gun charge to go off, 3 of which are town majority needed for gun to go off, which leads to a 3rd controlled kill by the time maf gets their 2nd

A no vote means you just let mafia get a picking of someone of their choice before going through this process, and risks them killing bell/gun for two nights before gun goes off
 
Maybe no vote is a play. I scumread CK but there has been no resistance to the wagon which is weird and def concerning because mafia doesn't let their partner die day 1 surely. My only other scumlean is like skipper but I really don't feel confident on basing my vote solely on them being kind of hedgy idk considering they kinda look unpaired with CK now due to the eagerness to vote them and one of the major reasons I scumlean skipper was he looked like he was textbook distancing from CK
I agree with the reads, but not the conclusion. Voting is only slightly worse d1 than any other day, and we have a good deal of wagon information to go off.

Questions for you:
were you expecting anyone in particular to oppose the ck vote?
did I not count as opposition, or were you just expecting more?
what are your thoughts on ag and the people voting them?
 
IMO nuxl duskfall98 and flandrs are town, but why do you think pulsar and m2h are town? i think pulsar is null and m2h's posting has not been great. i don't really have an opinion on lechen atm

fairy has mastered the art of doing nothing n1 so im also putting them as a null
haven’t made a concerted effort to read m2h, so fuck it you’re explaining the important parts.

On a rough timeline of M2H’s progression on skipper, where do things not line up?
Has M2H’s recent posts made you more or less confident in this read?
If you could get one detailed read from M2H, who would you want it to be, and what specific points do you want m2h to give their interpretation on?
 
wrt: I think you do bring up a good point wrt its generally bad play to hyperfixate as scum. Unsure though because a)In my experience with him in other maf games and diplo, he doesn't think long term and b)tunneling is often a scum tactic anyway(although he hasn't gotten to that level)

I didn't get much AI content from ag too, confused about the past game stuff tho
I would LOVE to think long-term in diplo, if people would only stop ganking me instantly so that there isn't a long-term to think about! And when I'm mafia, I do what I can to do long-term, like a single bus, etc. When I don't do long-term in mafia, it's because there's a clear leader and I can halfway turn my brain off, not thinking much at all.

I had been thinking of CK or maybe Nuxl for the post you quoted, but

##Unvote
##Vote: bluedoom

OMGUS.
 
I would LOVE to think long-term in diplo, if people would only stop ganking me instantly so that there isn't a long-term to think about! And when I'm mafia, I do what I can to do long-term, like a single bus, etc. When I don't do long-term in mafia, it's because there's a clear leader and I can halfway turn my brain off, not thinking much at all.

I had been thinking of CK or maybe Nuxl for the post you quoted, but

##Unvote
##Vote: bluedoom

OMGUS.
you know that the first paragraph was about dbd, right?
 
VOTECOUNT 1.2

CrreamyKitty (4)
: Dead by Daylight, skippergamez, des121, pulsar512b
skippergamez (2): M2H, AngryPidgeon
Aura Guardian (1): StupidFlandrs48
Dead by Daylight (1): Duskfall98
M2H (1): realiti
ImaginaryNeon (1): Crreamykitty
NightEmerald (1): Bluedoom
Pulsar512b (1): Nuxl
Bluedoom (1): Aura Guardian

Not Voting (8): a fairy, ImaginaryNeon, JALMONT, SherlockADH, NightEmerald, HydrogenHydreigon, thechickening, Lechen


Heya! I will update this when I have time in my mornings-noon. Ping me if there is some kind of mistake.
 
I don’t think DBD or Des are scum, skipper is a but of a scumlean and pulsar just null.
im not entertaining a vote on AP ever i think

ill buy lazy!dusk town too, ill give m2h a pass for both being depressed and active in thread

i townlean des still but not as much as before
flanders being afk today gives me a bit of heebie jeebies but hes still above the null line for his entrance
and i have a secret townlean on thechickening i dont wanna out

this leaves needing to find like 5 town in

a fairy
ImaginaryNeon
JALMONT
SherlockADH
CrreamyKitty
pulsar512b
Aura Guardian
realiti
bluedoom
skippergamez
Dead by Daylight
Lechen
NightEmerald
HydrogenHydreigon
DBD Tunneling me and some of his analysis aside from that makes me think he is likely town

Jalmont is jalmonting and I think him sticking to his guns here leans town

HH has a lotta posts where it’s like he just had something go in his head and post it then something else and he makes that in a separate post and it’s all just a stream of consciousness that feels very genuine, and that coupled with his focus on peoples metas looks very unfabricated, the guy is prolly a villager imo

NE worldview is kinda narrow but like not in a scummy way because I think he’d be trying to get more out there and push for thread control as scum, and like the thought process behind how he’s reaching the TR on me feels genuine and consistent with how he actually solves as a villager
 
I don’t think DBD or Des are scum, skipper is a but of a scumlean and pulsar just null.

DBD Tunneling me and some of his analysis aside from that makes me think he is likely town

Jalmont is jalmonting and I think him sticking to his guns here leans town

HH has a lotta posts where it’s like he just had something go in his head and post it then something else and he makes that in a separate post and it’s all just a stream of consciousness that feels very genuine, and that coupled with his focus on peoples metas looks very unfabricated, the guy is prolly a villager imo

NE worldview is kinda narrow but like not in a scummy way because I think he’d be trying to get more out there and push for thread control as scum, and like the thought process behind how he’s reaching the TR on me feels genuine and consistent with how he actually solves as a villager
Why do u skipper is scum lean? Based on which quote?
 
ok

I thought my read on CK was clear, let me clarify. I TR CK for imo, making a lot of deeper level posts (off the top of my head, the remarks on jalmont dont seem like something id expect from scum), and generally being unafraid to put names out there. While the opposite isn’t necessarily scummy, i view playing scum as an attempt to delay the town’s ability to solve without them realizing you’re doing so, and so what ck’s doing is just towny in my eyes.

What may have given you the impression of flip floppiness is the earlier parts. To clarify, they’re moreso “I see how saber and lechen could sr ck if you look at the post they’re looking at like xyz”

Which brings me to your question. Right now, I would vote dead by daylight, because of a couple things.
1: I think the push on ck is partially disingenuous because personally I see them as making several good posts
2: I think Lechen and Saber had reasons to vote ck that I’m not irritated by
3: the way des phrased their interest in voting ck didnt feel like scum trying to push a mislim because of the several vote candidates they mentioned, not all were people with preexisting thread traction i dont think
Can I just say on the last part about me I do agree with your reasoning but also I put on ck because that quote he put was a Lil scum to me
 
idk why ppl are scumreading me this feels the exact same as the last few nocs ive played here where i get scumread for little reason early and im a bit annoyed tbh
 
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