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NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win
- Thread starter Celever
- Start date
p52
i think you're town off p52 specifically but I think you waste too much time. Also, referring to it as hiding behind wallposts is annoying. I like wallposts, it's convenient for me, I feel like having what interests me all in one post helps me check things against each other, and also I am capable of far worse:
Now im done with that
1st) the post you linked came after your readslist, and refers to events that I'm pretty sure happened after your readslist
2nd)
If this is what you're referring to, I guess you can call it that? I feel like it's not even close to strong enough to be called a suspicion, the phrase "normal=scum" feels like shade rather than an actual attempt to solve
I can vouch that NE loves to wallpost, usually he pops in with a big wallpost to get caught up with game then dips rather than doing stuff real-time. Null tell from him.
Nowadays wall posting is easier for me as I'd rather ISO and re-read than lurk and livepost in thread - just how I want to use my playing time. Anything in particular I should focus on though? Feel like nothing is happening
give me your m2h read
is this abt 1289? fair ig
Too bad I can't see the thoughts
good afternoon, catching up now. is p52 page 52?
Ya and dl at 5 pm est
tyty :) will hold off on voting until hydro says they’re ready to be voted
Ok at least everyone else voted for him
Flanders just shouldn't be town read here imo. The somewhat hedgy tl on him could easily be a partner.
I think NE is honestly fixating on me quite a bit at this stage regarding their read on me being kinda strong and then kinda indirectly asking for me to focus on his slot more along with grilling realiti for the null read on me. Not sure whether that comes from town him or scum him more but that is an observation I'm having.
His time in the thread was also much more subdued than usual. I expect chaos from Flandrs.
Rough readslist from me here, not too confident on bottom section so I’d want to focus on sorting things out down there.
Warning, wallpost coming!
Towncore:
A Fairy (Villagery d2 with solid in-depth analysis and good vibes, scrappy/blunt if that’s a way to describe it in a villagery way, I also don’t think W!Fairy would fake that derp given the context asw)
Des (Following their town meta, actively engaged in the thread and not afraid to throw out opinions, consistent effort to ask probing, solving questions, likely way out of wolfrange. Concerns with them echoing consensus make some sense but the way they get there is genuine and more likely a result of them just being stumped)
Nuxl (Solid d1 with good solving analysis, villagery reaction tests and makes some reads that W!Nuxl absolutely doesn’t need to make, e.g. TRing me EOD. Also locktowned by AP, so I will sheep his legacy bc it is likely why scum killed him)
JALMONT (Bold posting d1 which does nothing but attract attention if a wolf, and comes from a belief they strongly hold. Villagery d2, I liked p#1,220 and p#1,215 in particular, strong analysis and solving effort despite a threadstate where they could easily coast)
Townleans:
M2H (Hyperfocus on stuff like RWSTFO nonsense and crunching teams is genuine and at least >randtown. Solid solving process and effort, and reads that seem unlikely to come from a wolf, such as p#1,210 and p#1,038. Has things I disagree with them on, such as the NE scumread but I don’t think that ever outweighs my macro read on them)
NightEmerald (Inactive slot but with reasons so that’s null. Their wallposts are all good analysis, NE can do this as a wolf but the difference I’ve noticed is that he seems to be moreso zeroing in on particular players and solving them, whereas his wolfier wallposts are more like word vomit on the entire PL and agendad in some way. I don’t really see that here, he seems more open-minded and makes some reads that he could beneficially avoid as a wolf or hints at like some villagery self doubt mid-posting such as in p#1,483 where they start out with Nuxl posting d2 feeling contrived then proceeding to just town him anyways, and following his fairy townread up with some concerns he has. This reads to me as a villager weighing both sides and being cautious rather than hedgyness imo.)
Realiti (Their earlier solving was decent, but I rly like their pop-in d2 because the analysis is pretty well put together yet simultaneously kinda disagreeable in a way that makes me think genuine villageriness rather than powering an agenda or LAMIST posting.)
Duskfall98 (Engaged d1, has a few reads e.g. the read on me that don’t really look agendad and I can see this slot just being a demotivated villager coming into d2, though there are some valid concerns with the way they go around neon and how they kinda just stop playing d2)
DBD (Tunnel on me is questionable but the way his wolf radar seems to just ping and go “CK WOLF HOLY SHIT!” at some of my posts even after catching heat for doing so makes me believe it is more likely to just be a villager confident in their read and running me down than a wolf. That being said, he doesn’t really do much outside of that. Maybe looking better recently though?)
Bluedoom (Some of his reads are def ??? Imo, but in a sense it could be villagery because he’s bold enough to pursure them. From what I know of him from team galactic it isn’t too abnormal for him to play the game like this. He does feel like he’s putting forth some effort to solve his scumreads so I don’t exactly think his posts are agendad even if the reads themselves I don’t agree with at all. Likely unpaired with Lechen, probably town if Lechen flips scum)
Skippergamez (Some of his posts feel pretty meh early on and his reads kinda come out of nowhere without much elaboration. However I do kinda get a sense that he’s trying to solve the game, and I doubt he is paired with AG/Lechen, so he can hang in my TLs for now)
Scumleans:
Aura Guardian (Some odd reads that I don’t really understand the process behind if it exists, whack popin EOD1, opportunistic looking pushes that he doesn’t really actually try to solve, particularly myself and DBD. He has some posts like the thing about hypoing roles and towning IN, but this isn’t rly clearing because it can just be fabricated for towncred, particularly the IN white knight because he was going over anyways, P#1095 makes it read like a scum trying to look more correct than the villagers on neon wagon)
Lechen (Inactive slot. Some of his reads stand out as kinda not really thought through, no offense, and opportunistic, such as the way he hops on me/skip. Brings up that he doesn’t like my wagon, then says he wants to vote between me/skip, then votes HH and dips which is ??? And reads as not really caring for a v/v wagon happening d1. Trying to unpair me/skip could potentially be towny but not following it up with a vote on either of us has me skeptical. Doesn’t do much elsewhere. Likely unpaired with bluedoom, probably town if bluedoom flips scum.)
Chickening (Inactive slot. A lot of their posts are like just words that don’t really lead anywhere or seems very noncommital in a way that reads like a wolf struggling to keep up with posting, e.g. P#741 or P#746. An argument could be made that this is a villager because of how non-consensus the posts are, but its done in such a way that it looks fabricated and noncommital so I don’t think that read holds. If anything, this slot also kinda just gets iced out by POE)
Flandrs (Has a few tls put out early on but they feel pretty noncommital and nothingburger he doesn’t really make much of an effort to defend them, then he just dips? The reads aren’t awful and I actually agree with a few but they aren’t really leveraged if that makes sense. Vote on AG could be unpairing, but it’s kinda just there in a way that could easily be distancing especially with his reaction to later AG votes)
Ehmcee (Sub in for pulsar slot, who kinda didn’t do much aside from plop a vote on top wagon and dip. Pops in with a readslist unelaborated that seems to be going along with threadstate and I’m not really digging it tbh. With this being a freshly subbed in slot I will give it some grace, but my POE has it as a wolf and the slot he subbed in for wasn’t one I liked.)
Warning, wallpost coming!
Towncore:
A Fairy (Villagery d2 with solid in-depth analysis and good vibes, scrappy/blunt if that’s a way to describe it in a villagery way, I also don’t think W!Fairy would fake that derp given the context asw)
Des (Following their town meta, actively engaged in the thread and not afraid to throw out opinions, consistent effort to ask probing, solving questions, likely way out of wolfrange. Concerns with them echoing consensus make some sense but the way they get there is genuine and more likely a result of them just being stumped)
Nuxl (Solid d1 with good solving analysis, villagery reaction tests and makes some reads that W!Nuxl absolutely doesn’t need to make, e.g. TRing me EOD. Also locktowned by AP, so I will sheep his legacy bc it is likely why scum killed him)
JALMONT (Bold posting d1 which does nothing but attract attention if a wolf, and comes from a belief they strongly hold. Villagery d2, I liked p#1,220 and p#1,215 in particular, strong analysis and solving effort despite a threadstate where they could easily coast)
Townleans:
M2H (Hyperfocus on stuff like RWSTFO nonsense and crunching teams is genuine and at least >randtown. Solid solving process and effort, and reads that seem unlikely to come from a wolf, such as p#1,210 and p#1,038. Has things I disagree with them on, such as the NE scumread but I don’t think that ever outweighs my macro read on them)
NightEmerald (Inactive slot but with reasons so that’s null. Their wallposts are all good analysis, NE can do this as a wolf but the difference I’ve noticed is that he seems to be moreso zeroing in on particular players and solving them, whereas his wolfier wallposts are more like word vomit on the entire PL and agendad in some way. I don’t really see that here, he seems more open-minded and makes some reads that he could beneficially avoid as a wolf or hints at like some villagery self doubt mid-posting such as in p#1,483 where they start out with Nuxl posting d2 feeling contrived then proceeding to just town him anyways, and following his fairy townread up with some concerns he has. This reads to me as a villager weighing both sides and being cautious rather than hedgyness imo.)
Realiti (Their earlier solving was decent, but I rly like their pop-in d2 because the analysis is pretty well put together yet simultaneously kinda disagreeable in a way that makes me think genuine villageriness rather than powering an agenda or LAMIST posting.)
Duskfall98 (Engaged d1, has a few reads e.g. the read on me that don’t really look agendad and I can see this slot just being a demotivated villager coming into d2, though there are some valid concerns with the way they go around neon and how they kinda just stop playing d2)
DBD (Tunnel on me is questionable but the way his wolf radar seems to just ping and go “CK WOLF HOLY SHIT!” at some of my posts even after catching heat for doing so makes me believe it is more likely to just be a villager confident in their read and running me down than a wolf. That being said, he doesn’t really do much outside of that. Maybe looking better recently though?)
Bluedoom (Some of his reads are def ??? Imo, but in a sense it could be villagery because he’s bold enough to pursure them. From what I know of him from team galactic it isn’t too abnormal for him to play the game like this. He does feel like he’s putting forth some effort to solve his scumreads so I don’t exactly think his posts are agendad even if the reads themselves I don’t agree with at all. Likely unpaired with Lechen, probably town if Lechen flips scum)
Skippergamez (Some of his posts feel pretty meh early on and his reads kinda come out of nowhere without much elaboration. However I do kinda get a sense that he’s trying to solve the game, and I doubt he is paired with AG/Lechen, so he can hang in my TLs for now)
Scumleans:
Aura Guardian (Some odd reads that I don’t really understand the process behind if it exists, whack popin EOD1, opportunistic looking pushes that he doesn’t really actually try to solve, particularly myself and DBD. He has some posts like the thing about hypoing roles and towning IN, but this isn’t rly clearing because it can just be fabricated for towncred, particularly the IN white knight because he was going over anyways, P#1095 makes it read like a scum trying to look more correct than the villagers on neon wagon)
Lechen (Inactive slot. Some of his reads stand out as kinda not really thought through, no offense, and opportunistic, such as the way he hops on me/skip. Brings up that he doesn’t like my wagon, then says he wants to vote between me/skip, then votes HH and dips which is ??? And reads as not really caring for a v/v wagon happening d1. Trying to unpair me/skip could potentially be towny but not following it up with a vote on either of us has me skeptical. Doesn’t do much elsewhere. Likely unpaired with bluedoom, probably town if bluedoom flips scum.)
Chickening (Inactive slot. A lot of their posts are like just words that don’t really lead anywhere or seems very noncommital in a way that reads like a wolf struggling to keep up with posting, e.g. P#741 or P#746. An argument could be made that this is a villager because of how non-consensus the posts are, but its done in such a way that it looks fabricated and noncommital so I don’t think that read holds. If anything, this slot also kinda just gets iced out by POE)
Flandrs (Has a few tls put out early on but they feel pretty noncommital and nothingburger he doesn’t really make much of an effort to defend them, then he just dips? The reads aren’t awful and I actually agree with a few but they aren’t really leveraged if that makes sense. Vote on AG could be unpairing, but it’s kinda just there in a way that could easily be distancing especially with his reaction to later AG votes)
Ehmcee (Sub in for pulsar slot, who kinda didn’t do much aside from plop a vote on top wagon and dip. Pops in with a readslist unelaborated that seems to be going along with threadstate and I’m not really digging it tbh. With this being a freshly subbed in slot I will give it some grace, but my POE has it as a wolf and the slot he subbed in for wasn’t one I liked.)
"fit in without offering content beyond surface level" - i don't really know what i could do to change that, because at the time i was seeing a lot of people go "oh yeah i don't have that many scum reads" or just. tunnel visioning their focus on specific people. neither of which i wanted to do.
disappearing is my bad, and not a good look for sure. i'm just not used to this. hell, the only reason i signed up for smogon is to play this LOL i had to add it to my bookmarks to remember it's a site i should be checking in on periodically
you already know i've been side eyeing you and des - as time goes on, you seem townier, but des is still unknown territory to me.
if i had to vote someone (outside of hydro, for obvious reasons) - i'd be looking at pulsar (due to being one of the later people to jump the ck vote) and lechen. what holds me back from really doing much about it is that both have valid reasons to not be around, hell - pulsar literally subbed out due to irl. lechen may have valid reason in eipp but i know nothing about that
may i ask what rwsfto, lamist and poe are CrreamyKitty
RWSTFO = rand wolf sub the fuck out, basically angleshooting someone being wolf by saying they could’ve subbed out because of rolling wolf
lamist = look at me I’m so townie, used when someone looks like they’re posting just for the sake of being townread rather than real solving
POE = Process of elimination, for example if I have a bunch of people I think are town then the remaining people I don’t TR could be considered scum by POE
thank you :)
