Diplomacy Blind Date Diplomacy - GAME OVER (7-way draw)

Duskfall98 said:
I’m not working with turkey it’s a bad idea ftr sunny doesn’t speak for Italy
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Sorry, didn’t mean it to come across like that. But again I find if hard to believe that DBD has your best interests in mind when he is asking you to leave Ven wide open + is literally promising you zero centers.

I fail to see how what DBD is saying is anything more than an empty promise to both hydro and Tommy

Will respond to the rest later I am at the doc
 
I am already allied with Austria. I have one slot remaining. Either England or Italy can ally with me. Sunny is trying to misrepresent my offers.
 
I think we should all be able to see through Sunny's facade of an "equal division" and "cooperation thus far" - he will stab you in the future, because that increases his chances at winning. Even if you are allied with him, he doesn't care about giving you centers.

Germany right now is, I'll say it, a fairly weak state compared to most. But what that means is that we have to keep our allies - we cannot readily stab them unlike Sunny can.
 
Dead by Daylight said:
I think we should all be able to see through Sunny's facade of an "equal division" and "cooperation thus far" - he will stab you in the future, because that increases his chances at winning. Even if you are allied with him, he doesn't care about giving you centers.

Germany right now is, I'll say it, a fairly weak state compared to most. But what that means is that we have to keep our allies - we cannot readily stab them unlike Sunny can.
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Duskfall98 HydrogenHydreigon hate to sound obvious, but I would keep this in mind when choosing who to ally with
 
sunny004 said:
So you’re actively trying to pit Italy and England against each other.
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Nope, I'm just saying that one of the two has to ally with me to ensure we have enough SC's to divide between us and the other is forced to either ally with you or join up with us through allying with Austria. It would certainly be nice if we could split Marseilles, Brest, and the Iberians in the future, and I would love to have both of your countries's help, Italy and England. I just need a hard commitment from one person right now.
 
I think we should all be able to see through DBD’s facade of an "equal division" and "cooperation thus far" - he will stab you in the future, because that increases his chances at winning. Even if you are allied with him, he doesn't care about giving you centers.

France right now is, I'll say it, a fairly strong state compared to most. But what that means FOR ANY COUNTRY is that we have to keep our allies - we cannot readily stab them unlike DBD can.

I fixed it for you. The statements you said are broadly applicable to any country here. What happens to this argument when you take my centers? At least I have been consistent with my intent this entire time.
 
sunny004 said:
I think we should all be able to see through DBD’s facade of an "equal division" and "cooperation thus far" - he will stab you in the future, because that increases his chances at winning. Even if you are allied with him, he doesn't care about giving you centers.

France right now is, I'll say it, a fairly strong state compared to most. But what that means FOR ANY COUNTRY is that we have to keep our allies - we cannot readily stab them unlike DBD can.

I fixed it for you. The statements you said are broadly applicable to any country here. What happens to this argument when you take my centers? At least I have been consistent with my intent this entire time.
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Except...this whole paragraph is just a false equivalency.

France can quite easily get away with attacking England once you use them to kill me off. France can get away with advancing on Italy. We can't, because we have to worry about Russia far more acutely than France does and thus need Italy and England to help in the Northern and Southern fronts.

If I take your centers, I have to focus on multiple other fronts that I need my allies to help me with. If you take my centers, all you have to worry about is expanding more.

Our countries are not remotely in the same position, as much as Sunny wants you to believe that he will be a benevolent power. He won't. Make no mistake - if you ally with us, we will bring that alliance into the late-game and very likely a draw-win. If you make the mistake of trusting Sunny, you won't live to see the end of the game.

Sunny's allies are disposable to France. Our allies aren't.
 
sunny004 said:
So, trying to pit both of them against each other.


Or, the same impossible promise that you’ve made before.
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It's not an "impossible promise" to have Italy ally with Austria, you indeed stated yourself earlier on that an I-A is a far more fruitful alliance than an I-T. I would love to have both country's help, but I can only promise the lion's share of the centers to one country.
 
Still a better outcome for anyone instead of allying with Sunny to die later, though!
 
Dead by Daylight said:
Except...this whole paragraph is just a false equivalency.

France can quite easily get away with attacking England once you use them to kill me off. France can get away with advancing on Italy. We can't, because we have to worry about Russia far more acutely than France does and thus need Italy and England to help in the Northern and Southern fronts.

If I take your centers, I have to focus on multiple other fronts that I need my allies to help me with. If you take my centers, all you have to worry about is expanding more.

Our countries are not remotely in the same position, as much as Sunny wants you to believe that he will be a benevolent power. He won't. Make no mistake - if you ally with us, we will bring that alliance into the late-game and very likely a draw-win. If you make the mistake of trusting Sunny, you won't live to see the end of the game.

Sunny's allies are disposable to France. Our allies aren't.
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This is just patently untrue but I have my appointment now so will have to respond to it later. Suffice it to say that DBD wants to open up a two-front war where only he and Austria will ultimately benefit
 
I think we should all be able to see through DBD’s facade of an "equal division" and "cooperation thus far" - he will stab you in the future, because that increases his chances at winning. Even if you are allied with him, he doesn't care about giving you centers.

(Is this a new copypasta now?)

Allying with Austria over me is basically being asked to get stabbed and lose endgame btw, you cannot defend your home centers overcommiting your fleets this bad. If you need to fight me go ahead, but it’s not a good decision.
 
Dead by Daylight said:
France can quite easily get away with attacking England once you use them to kill me off. France can get away with advancing on Italy. We can't, because we have to worry about Russia far more acutely than France does and thus need Italy and England to help in the Northern and Southern fronts.

If I take your centers, I have to focus on multiple other fronts that I need my allies to help me with. If you take my centers, all you have to worry about is expanding more.

Our countries are not remotely in the same position, as much as Sunny wants you to believe that he will be a benevolent power. He won't. Make no mistake - if you ally with us, we will bring that alliance into the late-game and very likely a draw-win. If you make the mistake of trusting Sunny, you won't live to see the end of the game.
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This entire statement just reads like DBD trying to convince us that this game is just sunshine and roses, and that once he takes out his "mortal enemy" in me, he will proceed to sing kumbaya with the rest of the board (excluding Russia apparently).

Consider this: what really happens after I fall? Do you really think DBD will pivot all of his resources to attack Russia? This is one of the key issues with a centralized power: it's much easier to stab your allies next to you than it is to march all the way across the map (leaving your centers open).

DBD has haughty words for the both of you, but no actions to back them up. France does!

It is true that Russia is not as immediately pressing of a concern to me as it is to Eng / Ger (Italy has a bit of time), but I think his statement re: "inability" to not attack England and Italy is just plainly incorrect.

Consider this: once he has my centers (he will almost certainly take the lion's share, despite his false promises), he will have more than enough resources to wage a two-front war against one of England/help his Austrian buddy take out Italy while repelling Russia.

Hydro (Saving you the ping this time) If you want evidence of my long-term loyalty, just look at the lost art game. LN and I took EF all the way to the end of the game.
 
sunny004 said:
This entire statement just reads like DBD trying to convince us that this game is just sunshine and roses, and that once he takes out his "mortal enemy" in me, he will proceed to sing kumbaya with the rest of the board (excluding Russia apparently).

Consider this: what really happens after I fall? Do you really think DBD will pivot all of his resources to attack Russia? This is one of the key issues with a centralized power: it's much easier to stab your allies next to you than it is to march all the way across the map (leaving your centers open).

DBD has haughty words for the both of you, but no actions to back them up. France does!

It is true that Russia is not as immediately pressing of a concern to me as it is to Eng / Ger (Italy has a bit of time), but I think his statement re: "inability" to not attack England and Italy is just plainly incorrect.

Consider this: once he has my centers (he will almost certainly take the lion's share, despite his false promises), he will have more than enough resources to wage a two-front war against one of England/help his Austrian buddy take out Italy while repelling Russia.

Hydro (Saving you the ping this time) If you want evidence of my long-term loyalty, just look at the lost art game. LN and I took EF all the way to the end of the game.
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You'll note that nowhere in this post does Sunny deny that he will stab his allies. Again, I'll reiterate that Germany cannot stab our allies. If we do, we essentially kill ourselves.

We are already involved in a conflict with Russia. Opening another front would be disastrous for us.

The stronger a power is, the more likely they are to stab you. They don't need you.

Sunny doesn't need you besides to take my centers. Once he's achieved that goal, he's perfectly willing to give up your centers.

Also, Italy, I am not planning to attack you. Sunny is simply putting words in my mouth (hey, the exact same thing he accused me of!)

I cannot take the "lion's share" of centers and break my promises because that can easily backfire on me if both England and Italy pair up to attack me. It's a very risky proposition for me. But not for Sunny - he doesn't need you, Hydro. He doesn't need you, Duskfall.

You're all getting played if you join hiim.
 
Dead by Daylight said:
You'll note that nowhere in this post does Sunny deny that he will stab his allies. Again, I'll reiterate that Germany cannot stab our allies. If we do, we essentially kill ourselves.

We are already involved in a conflict with Russia. Opening another front would be disastrous for us.

The stronger a power is, the more likely they are to stab you. They don't need you.

Sunny doesn't need you besides to take my centers. Once he's achieved that goal, he's perfectly willing to give up your centers.

Also, Italy, I am not planning to attack you. Sunny is simply putting words in my mouth (hey, the exact same thing he accused me of!)

I cannot take the "lion's share" of centers and break my promises because that can easily backfire on me if both England and Italy pair up to attack me. It's a very risky proposition for me. But not for Sunny - he doesn't need you, Hydro. He doesn't need you, Duskfall.

You're all getting played if you join hiim.
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I will not stab my allies. Despite what DBD says, I want and need both of you! Thought that was implied by the past 10 of my posts, but I guess it needs to be explicit (like in the NOC lol)

Opening another front (and gaining all of my centers at the expense of your so-called "allies" sure sounds disastrous to me. "Oh noooo, I gained a bunch of SCs, woe is me!" Apologies if I sound overly snarky but that argument is just silly.

This third point is, again, true for any power. Except all you have to show for your "allies" is just empty promises and a 4-power alliance that has zero hope of any sustainability.

His fourth point (not needing you besides to help take out Germany) is also just untrue. I cannot take out R-T on my own, etc. This game is about alliances, and the best way to victory imo is maintaining an alliance all the way through.

I can't read his mind, so I will concede his fifth point. But his post earlier re: "forcing Italy to join Austria or die" sounded fairly hostile to me.

His last point is also just false. I need both of you, and we can win this together. Don't let DBD split you up for his + Austria's benefit.
 
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