NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win

skippergamez said:
Bussing as a new player to the thread. Flandrs on realiti townleans


JALMONT and Hal on realiti’s Townleans, DBD was off the main wagon twice (not super duper important but it’s a scum pile, I mean I was off the main wagon twice). Lechen didn’t vote for two days (not a good idea as town). The chickening is also thrown in there they kinda just pop in and vote with wagon could be both towny and scum. CK unvoted on the HyHy vote which felt really weird.

Hal explained above, DBD > Lechen is kinda like Lechen at least an excuse for his scum reasoning.
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This is very interesting given that you were much stronger on Realiti being town than me plus you town leaned me uesterday
 
I looked back to mentions of realiti prior to the gas really being turned up and the important things I found were:

I think Nuxl is just town here (wow such a brave opinion by me!). Actually I totally understand why apricity was grilling nuxl upon subbing in because nuxl was so wishy-washy on realiti plus the flanders vote was just really nonsensical. nuxl going "my read on flanders is dropping throughout the day" a week after flanders last posted was hilarious

but i can't get away from nuxl post 643. there's 0 benefit to crowing m2h/dusk/AP as town - that's just making the game harder for yourself as mafia and i don't think mafia!nuxl can really afford to shrink the town pool that much when he easily can null read them or shade them.

my big takeaway is that skip just looks really bad off that flip. look at 1373 where he first townreads realiti and then 1494 where he instantly backtracks and hedges that lean saying he's "concerned." then the next post in the game he says it's town realiti. it's very strange now skip is so concerned about realiti's townleans...when he was literally on that list. huh???
 
forgot to mention CK's 1338 which puts realiti as a scumlean. for me that's interesting becacuse at that point in the game no one was really discussing realiti. breaks towny to have throw realiti in there when as mafia, there would be no reason for doing so as they wouldn't expect a realiti vote at that time
 
right now I'm at

NE
apricity//bluedoom
Nuxl
des
lechen/chicken/CK
null - ehmcee/Alice/af
AG/jalmont
DBD
skip

des is kind of a courtesy town read at this point but going to have see some action going in the right direction eventually (voting NE here? what?)

Lechen breaks town slightly for me as I think it's very hard to just idle the first two days without placing a vote. when you have teammates relying on you, you put your vote on an inactive or someone you "scumread" to at least help in case of a worst case scenario.

chicken also now breaks town. vote came when realiti was definitely still trying - real;iti stopped posting around 10ish and the vote was at 9ish. i dunno i do see the argumetn for it being a bus vote given the total lack of justification zuko provided but meh i feel i have to give some credit for that.

I don't really have any reason to believe AG is town which for me makes him slightly mafia.

the nulls are interesting. as i stated before, because ehmcee hero shot, we can't just crown him town. if he had shot even like lechen, i'd feel good about him. AP was fine w pulsar but m2h wasn't...ehmcee overall hasn't offered much for me to feel strongly about.

alice had a strong start but has faltered lately. alice has basically had no opinions and no scumreads for the etnire game. ahh but i just reread my reread and like if alice had no opinions, why vote realiti as realiti's scumbuddy? if mafia wasn't giving up at the time alice voting, bussing there just doesn't make sense.

i still feel i have to give AF a pass given that i hold a decent amount of responsibility for the neon vote. probably need to stop doing that eventually.
 
in defense of me while I did think realiti was town more often than not, I did point out that his activity doubled once the pressure ramped up + the apricity sub was an auspicious sign as far as being a hit. I also did note that normally I would've been on realiti if I didn't know who the user was but I had a meta read which didnt' work out for me this game. Nuxl and bluedoom also were on DBD so it's not as if I was on a totally unsuitable path.

I owned the day 1 vote and it's not as if I was begging peope to follow me or actively working to prevent any other kind of vote.

I try and play differently every game. while I do fall into somewhat familiar patterns I don't think it's accurate to say that I always do x as town or what not.

I totally see why I am scummy. going after inactives and lhf is tried and true scum playbook but in this case I think I have had legitimate reasons to do so (namely, people lately have not been voting which makes the game harder for us). I don't think I've offered a ton of content or anything either so I get it. I'm trying!
 
des121 said:
Alice Kazumi - old.

New reads I feel as if night emerald is a good vote because he hasn't been super inactive but his thoughts don't support town I believe.
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His thoughts don't support town? :blobthinking:

Aura Guardian said:
realiti:
was against Bellringer claim, who proposed it, again?
agrees with duskfall voting dbd, but doesn't join in. Later votes M2H
supports Duskfall again.
Argues Crreamy shouldn't assume people voting him are town. That'd be me and dbd.
Argues in favor of Nuxl, Duskfall, flandrs, and a bit of Skipper and AP
Bunch of fluff
Calls out Duskfall and Alice for scumreading him later, I think when the vote on him has started.

CONCLUSION:
The push was enough for me to move CK in my reads from scumlean to null.
Duskfall probably bussed realiti when there wasn't really any saving him.
##Vote: Duskfall98
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Aura Guardian said:
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I can't believe I missed that.
##Unvote
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skippergamez said:
Bussing as a new player to the thread. Flandrs on realiti townleans
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Could be, but thread state benefited mafia before he joined so I think he is probably town.
skippergamez said:
JALMONT and Hal on realiti’s Townleans, DBD was off the main wagon twice (not super duper important but it’s a scum pile, I mean I was off the main wagon twice). Lechen didn’t vote for two days (not a good idea as town). The chickening is also thrown in there they kinda just pop in and vote with wagon could be both towny and scum. CK unvoted on the HyHy vote which felt really weird.
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I don't think it makes sense to have CK on the scumlist based on that. You also were in realiti townleans now that I checked again
 
I think des reads have been worse than in other games but other than that she looks town.

Nuxl said:
this is like really early to blatantly defend a partner over one vote right
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Maybe:blobthinking:. Skip usually gets some random votes so he could have been scared of him being the wagon if skip is his teammate.
 
I will post latest reads by dead town players that can probably help fellow townies :blobuwu:

Town players killed by mafia:

AP:
Townpile, no order:

Nuxl, Duskfall98, realiti, pulsar (ehmcee), flandrs (apricity), Lechen, m2h

a fairy's posting is getting better but I dunno if Im mentally ready to commit to a read there.
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Maybe AG is town. Hes off the sus list for now at least
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Id probably call Nuxl and des locktown at this point.
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M2H:
+ Alice. For people with not enough info to really solve. It isn't so much that we're too low info to sort. I think at this stage I would just want one maf flip to be able to figure out what different players have been doing. I have a lot of null reads that go one way or the other by a bit but would easily sort if I had a scum flip.

I could say pulsar (lean town), NE (lean town), DbD (true null), Tommy (true null), CK (maybe a slight maf lean), and skipper (lean town), realiti (biggest scum lean) could fit into that category of people that I think I can sort a little but there isn't a whole lot of confidence for me.
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I think Tommy is usually active yeah as scum, but he did straight up ghost the thread after pushing me since town was on the wrong track. I'm not super sold on a Realiti + Tommy pair more like Realiti + Flandrs (apricity) + some less active folks.
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I TR NE, TL AG, TL fairy, Null chicken, TL you (apricity), sheep your TR on Alice, and TR Bluedoom.I think the wagon is almost completely pure. (Realiti wagon)
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If he's (NE) mafia he's played to hard pocket me so I can't really argue with this but imo the way he has interacted with me and the case (even if kinda weak) were strong points for town NE but I'm really not that confident and usually have a mason read on him.
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I don't think that's particularly relevant unless we have actual scum reads among the voters. I mean if you want to argue to me that Bluedoom and the chickening were going for the quickhammer before town gets a gun, be my guest. Otherwise I'm kinda scratching my head and wondering who the scum are on the wagon. Atp it's like NE/AG/Chickening I could maybe be convinced on. Fairy is a stretch but possible.
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Town players voted out/killed by gun:

Tommy:
I do think skipper has been very towny
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But why night emerald specifically, he has shown no towny ego which he’s demonstrated to me recently and really not much effort to solve the game either, I think he’s not towny, I also wanted to see would the wagons shift off realiti if another option was given
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He’s (NE) been one of the most underwhelming players on the game easily his spot count his disappointing and his contribution is low compared to what I’d expect from him

He also doesn’t have enough ego related to how he has kinda spoken in graveyards in recent times

But also I want competing wagons
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He’s (DBD) not trying to solve the game really so I think he’s scummy enough, he did something d1 worse but I can’t even remember anymore I’m going to read back my posts to see if I mentioned it at the time
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I have a lot of people in my Poe I think it’s a bad term rn because I have a townread on less than half the game Who I think are scummiest players this game is like realiti jalmont ag ne dbd
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Neither of those statements are in conflict, I was highlighting how you (Jalmont) said something and realiti was conveniently finding issue with me doing it but not you

You’re scummy because your overall play day 1 was not like you do as town, and of the voters on neon who I thought were generally towny, you were the person I found scummiest day 1
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Maybe unrelated but this one was funny and sad at the same time, he did flip:blobsad:
I swear to god if someone hero shots a towncore member incorrectly I’ll flip btw just shoot someone in the Poe
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Quotes on m2h and ap were mostly me finding the biggest readpost that I remembered and then going to newer posts except for the last m2h post.

I think tommy quotes might not be in order or be in opposite order.
 
I was curious about m2h thoughts on jalmont so additional quotes from m2h that I missed:
Ftr I still thought Neon was relatively easy to sort, and a fairy / jalmont are not the usual players to pick on Neon.
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jalmont feels way more agenda-ed here than usual
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(replying to nuxl about realiti reads) 'genuine thought and curiosity' is such as cringe phrase there yeah. I could see Skipper TMI. Flandrs (Apricity) or Jalmont seems like a one or the other thing, but I still think I feel Flandrs (Apricity) more. I could also see one hit in Tommy/DbD/Lechen as a rule of threes.
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I don’t get why mafia kills M2H, they had an easy target in Nux

Either M2H’s reads were correct or Nuxl is scum
 
Dead by Daylight said:
I don’t get why mafia kills M2H, they had an easy target in Nux

Either M2H’s reads were correct or Nuxl is scum
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Both can be an option. Or that they didn't want to kill what they perceived to be the most obvious one in fear of him being protected.

Regardless of the reasoning I think dead town reads have value that's why I posted them. They are confirmed to be done by someone trying to solve the game from the town side.
 
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