NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win

apricity said:
Alice Kazumi what do you think about these five users and the order in which we should check their role PMs?
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That's a funny list.

Jalmont looks scummy to me.

Bluedoom CK AG are pretty null to me in terms of reading them but CK voting patterns have been questionable. I was thinking CK is towny earlier but after thinking about it again I don't see any reason for them to be above null.

A fairy gives me the vibes that if some scum slipped into above null in my list it could be her. Overall she looks a bit towny for me though. Reading her alignment is not the easiest thing to do.


I'd say jalmont-> ck -> ag-> bluedoom -> a fairy?

Not going to lie I'm not going to complain if people follow a different order I don't mind it that much at this point.
I will continue catching up.
 
this might be too much angleshooting but you could literally get this info from joining the publicly accessible bigvivor link on this forum so idk
 
I think CK looks off if we're thinking of a world where the scum team doesn't defend their team mates when they get pressured like realiti vote having almost no resistance until the end. Mostly because I think the ehmcee vote looks really bad in context of eod3
 
apricity said:
on execution, if this is your solve, i think you need to leave a strong enough legacy for me because i think i am out of most townlists rn (or at least not in them to the same extent ehmcee/des are)
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you actually have a lot of execution problems that I think are worth discussing just as much as your reads Nuxl

For everyone else in the thread, a town core is two things:
A list of N very high confidence reads, where if like one of them is wrong you just lose the game
A list of N very high confidence reads, where everyone else believes in the high confidence reads

There isn't much use in a towncore that has even one scum in it, and there isn't much use in a towncore that nobody believes

I think the problem we need to address today is that I don't know how many of the people in your towncore aside from me believe in your towncore
 
Ehmcee said:
fwiw i kind of liked the Jalmont/Lechen interaction there, feel like it's most likely T/M, doesn't feel like they're scumpaired
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what made you think so?
Dead by Daylight said:
pulsar/ehmcee is locktown bc they claimed gun with no CCs
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I don't think so.
skippergamez said:
Hi here’s a JALMONT iso
JALMONT

What I’m looking for: reads period but opinions on realiti and others on this scumpool. Also are they trying to solve the game using roles and stuff like that

128 Wants to sleep through d1, only interesting in voting 5ish people
135 Would vote people if they’re a town liability late game
137 Thinks voting d1 is essentially random voting
138 By sleeping he meant idling. Doesn’t advise people take that strategy
143 Doesn’t want to vote new players d1 if Tommy or Cel has a soul read on them
185 Happy Tommy agrees with him
208 Pretty much dodges AP‘s question saying he’s explained himself already
413 Replying to Flandrs/Hal: Says policy voting and meta reading are both a bad idea, but he’s willing to revisit the topic of his “meta reads”
751 Votes Neon
768 Claims to not read Nuxl’s post, wants people to vote/not troll
786 Again reiterates that voting late game town liabilities is the way to go
801 Claims policy voting Neon on day 1 never happens
815 Replying to Nuxl saying “Why the sass”: “You sassed me first…by making an unfounded statement?”
851 Not a Neon specific vote but a vote on people who don’t vote “the last game was so catastrophically trolled”
922 Clarifies “the last game”
962 Suspicious of people flooding the wagon, stays based on principle
1053 Replying to AP: Very concerned with seeing another game end the way the last one did
1077 Is a small guy defender, but the lack of caring and self-reflection is extremely irritating
1080 Replying to Tommy: 4 people on the leading d1 wagon is the big problem with people not voting
** So we have an interesting progression of “I’m not gonna vote” —> “How dare people not vote d1”

DAY 2

1108 Zeroing in on nonvoters, gives a pass to Alice but watches Lechen and thechickening
1110 Votes thechickening
1132 Claims he is not tilted, in fact he says that he accepted that they may mislynch, got unlucky that they landed on Town PR
1157 Asks thechickening to vote
1160 Asks thechickening to vote right now
1161 Wonders if we live in a world where M2H/Nuxl/Tommy/BD are all town. He believes that, he feels town is disoriented. He would look at the neon wagon but that feels hypocritical
1208 Tells people to stop voting if there’s hammer
1214 He’s really tired of seeing people not try in the endgame. He’s not happy of voting based on that, but for this game he can live with it. He’s not gonna apologize for not placing a vote on HyHy, he wasn’t really pushing it
1215 Says AP’s NK is really interesting, did town a lot of the “big ones”: M2H/Nuxl/Tommy/BD, he feels maybe town is off, he feels pretty ok about realiti, doesn’t feel bad about anyone
1216 Feels weary of thechickening, doesn’t think there was a concerted effort against Neon
1218 Replying to AP contradicting his Neon read from this game and dance mafia: Seems to be considering looking at Neon voters.
1219 Replying to DBD: Says his “today’s agenda” post is interesting he didn’t post those things other than “CK is scum”
1220 Trying to think of a reason not to vote HyHy (he doesn’t vote HyHy spoiler alert), concerned about there being too many nulls. He wants to hold people accountable for not voting.
He feels ok about:
nuxl/bleudoom/des/lechen/pulsar/realiti/dusk/af/m2h
can’t give an opinion on Alice or HyHy
leaves dbd/skip/NE/flanders/CK/chicken/ag
Suggest we go into the pool of NE/DBD/pulsar/CK (just said in the same post he felt ok about pulsar)
Questions AG voting M2H
1263 Questions where NE is
1288 Suggests ending d2 (on 1208 he wants to stop hammer, granted an irl day passed). Weary about DBD not talking about bellringer claim d1
1295 He would be on realiti but he feels that their scum game is based on pushing easy votes and making surface level observations.
1301 Replying to Nuxl: Says he makes meta reads a lot (413 he says to Flandrs that meta reads are bad)
1348 Replying to M2H: says the flipped town guy disagrees with M2H’s read on pulsar (is ok with voting pulsar)
1427 Clarifies he’s talking about AP
1430 (M2H says AP is god sarcastically) Defends AP is credible because we know he’s town, M2H hasn’t shown anything credible
1433 Makes note that M2H basically says that we shouldn’t focus on flipped players.
1435 Says M2H can still do that
1438 Suggests M2H vote him
1440 Maintains his vote on thechickening
1473 Replying to thechickening: Says the main concern about thechickening is that they try to fit in while not going beyond surface level
1474 tries to push to d3 again, asks if you would vote for someone who would it be?
1600 Says he feels he doesn’t to be townread by most people. NE is worrying him. Again thinks we need to move to d3

** Ok so JALMONT d2 was reiterating his stance on no voters, but also repeatedly pushed for d3 to end, spent a lot of time talking with town!M2H, actively disagreeing with them
DAY 3

1694 Votes DBD
1697 Doesn’t like how DBD brought the bell ringer stuff up out of the blue, and they haven’t moved from CK. Feels DBD is only involved in a superficial manner
1757 Concerned with the holdover on CK. Doesn’t have to do with anything since d1. Thinks Nuxl voting for Flandrs is a bad path
1792 Votes Flandrs
1797 Doesn’t get the Flandrs vote
1827 Doesn’t get what Nuxl is trying to get from the Flandrs vote
1833 encourages Flandrs/BD/Tommy/thechickening/a fairy/Lechen/Ehmcee to vote
1835 Calls out Lechen for not voting
1944 Letting the thread cook
1951 Says voting for Flandrs was courtesy to Nuxl because he townreads Nuxl
1995 Not sold on anyone struggles to scumread Tommy/af/DBD/NE (insane progression on DBD btw)
1996 Gets mad at Lechen for not voting
2227 Says Tommy is delulu for thinking he is scummiest of the Neon voters, asks him why he is the worst voter
2245 Tells the chickening to bold vote
2315 Calls thechickening shady. Won’t vote for realiti but finds it auspicious that he doubles his post count
2326 says thechickening realiti vote post is suspect, puts them “back” into the scumpool
2335
Scumpool is chicken/af/thomas/ne/skip/Dbd with Ehmcee and CK (he said it was hard to scumreads NE and DBD)
2367 apologizes for misgendering
2372 says there is merit to a hero shoot, but don’t shoot Nuxl/M2H/BD/Hal
2395 Thinks DBD is lurking mafia
2400 Not interested in voting Tommy
2407 Thinks realiti is more town than not, using his reasoning on 1295
2498 Votes DBD
2518 Doesn’t think Tommy is town (he struggles to scumreads him as well)
2519 Actually he doesn’t think he is mafia (in scumpool on 2335)
2577 Clarifies he doesn’t push Zuko on d1, but Neon

** Skates around the realiti topic and completely ignores it EoD. Has some insane progression on the likes of Tommy, NE, and DBD **

Takeaways:

Why does he refer to Lechen twice after 1108, even though he had his eye on them.
Why does he never bring up Alice after he can’t have an opinion on her both on 1108 and 1220
What is that d1 progression from not voting (“It’s Rand voting”) to crusading those who don’t vote
1995 is really confusing and makes his d3 extremely messy

Btw I didn’t do d4
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I think it was because I just subbed in? He did bring me up later into the game (d4 I think)
Lechen said:
also skipper is weird because if he or des isn't mafia realiti could have been saved which makes his slot a lot more sus
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Can you further elaborate on this? I think I didn't understand it well
 
Alice Kazumi said:
That's a funny list.

Jalmont looks scummy to me.

Bluedoom CK AG are pretty null to me in terms of reading them but CK voting patterns have been questionable. I was thinking CK is towny earlier but after thinking about it again I don't see any reason for them to be above null.

A fairy gives me the vibes that if some scum slipped into above null in my list it could be her. Overall she looks a bit towny for me though. Reading her alignment is not the easiest thing to do.


I'd say jalmont-> ck -> ag-> bluedoom -> a fairy?

Not going to lie I'm not going to complain if people follow a different order I don't mind it that much at this point.
I will continue catching up.
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Talk to me about your jalmont read, what do you find about him as scummy atm?
 
bluedoom said:
Talk to me about your jalmont read, what do you find about him as scummy atm?
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His whole D3 searching for counterwagons but without the presence in thread that he has on D4. Like it's weird because I read it as having a more passive role than today while at the same time searching for counterwagons? Being scumread by both dead townies doesn't help his case and his voting has been both times on scum.

He feels like trying more in D4 now that he is in the spotlight and suddenly I can see more solving attempts. Could be a town that knows that they messed up and trying to fix it but I have no other option right now other than voting nulls.

apricity said:
so high on my townlist right now it's unbelievable

are you going to try convince me that a mafia came into the thread, dropped a case on the strongest member of that team, lynched said partner, and then dipped for the entire next day? good luck!
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No I mean where he is like he is not posting
 
Alice Kazumi said:
His whole D3 searching for counterwagons but without the presence in thread that he has on D4. Like it's weird because I read it as having a more passive role than today while at the same time searching for counterwagons? Being scumread by both dead townies doesn't help his case and his voting has been both times on scum.

He feels like trying more in D4 now that he is in the spotlight and suddenly I can see more solving attempts. Could be a town that knows that they messed up and trying to fix it but I have no other option right now other than voting nulls.


No I mean where he is like he is not posting
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I meant his voting has been both times on town
 
Alice Kazumi said:
Can you further elaborate on this? I think I didn't understand it well
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Votecount 3.7
realiti (7): NightEmerald, Aura Guardian, M2H, a fairy, thechickening, apricity, Alice Kazumi
NightEmerald (4): skippergamez, des121, Duskfall98, realiti

NE wagon had a flipped town and a flipped mafia on it. This means, if both des and skipper are town, then mafia would have 4 votes remaining that could have been on NE, which is enough for NE to be at 8, saving realiti. If either one if des/skipper is mafia, then mafia would have 3 votes remaining, that could have been used to tie the vote and try to save realiti.
 
Lechen said:
Votecount 3.7
realiti (7): NightEmerald, Aura Guardian, M2H, a fairy, thechickening, apricity, Alice Kazumi
NightEmerald (4): skippergamez, des121, Duskfall98, realiti

NE wagon had a flipped town and a flipped mafia on it. This means, if both des and skipper are town, then mafia would have 4 votes remaining that could have been on NE, which is enough for NE to be at 8, saving realiti. If either one if des/skipper is mafia, then mafia would have 3 votes remaining, that could have been used to tie the vote and try to save realiti.
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Thanks! The more I think about the wagons the more confused I am to be honest.
 
Lechen said:
Votecount 3.7
realiti (7): NightEmerald, Aura Guardian, M2H, a fairy, thechickening, apricity, Alice Kazumi
NightEmerald (4): skippergamez, des121, Duskfall98, realiti

NE wagon had a flipped town and a flipped mafia on it. This means, if both des and skipper are town, then mafia would have 4 votes remaining that could have been on NE, which is enough for NE to be at 8, saving realiti. If either one if des/skipper is mafia, then mafia would have 3 votes remaining, that could have been used to tie the vote and try to save realiti.
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The thought here is either that mafia is in too weak of a thread position to strongarm a NE vote, so there are likely scum that opted to take the towncred of being on the wagon instead
 
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