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NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win
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DBD having 0 srs is quite out of character
sorry, classes took priority over this game, and then my free time was spent arguing in diplomacy because that had less of a brainpower requirement.
I have been staying updated on the thread (skimmed), and I finally mustered up the motivation to go through isos.
(edit: that was taking too long, so it’s gonna be ck progression on jalmont, with a LOTB of jalmont analysis asw)
CK's read on jalmont:
starts off towning jalmont over unfiltered posting
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-30#post-10329802 (and the follow up post two posts after)
defends jalmont from chickening, chickening's argument is that jalmont is avoiding making progress ("hinting at reads to withhold later")
ck claims several things:
a) jalmont as wolf would have no issue pushing people to be voted
this makes sense on a general scum agenda level, and it also makes sense for ck to use general scum theory for jalmont, because the other game ck played, this was a post that was made https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...a-over-mafia-win.3750529/page-3#post-10253959
b) if jalmont wants to play a utr game this is not how he does it
don't get this, because chickening did use the phrase 'bold wolf' for a reason, so idk why ck would talk about utr playstyles.
c) (this is in the followup) jalmont could be playing to meta, but ck is not leaning that way
I wish i had reasoning for why ck thought that in the past, because this is just an unfounded assumption
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-54#post-10332355
What jalmont has posted between the last post and this one:
the ‘don’t vote d1 arguments’, which I’ve all but tuned out because regardless of alignment i think jalmont makes those.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-31#post-10329914
(following a neon vote)in relation to ck, (looking at the post right below) it agrees with one of the two options ck openly proposes. There are further jalmont posts that im not linking, but they continue the train of thought on why they’re voting neon
Personal thought: Something feels weird in a good way about jalmont openly admitting he didn’t read nuxl’s post, given the context of jalmont actually voting d1, he could easily have excused the neon vote with it “oh i voted him because nuxl did the math for this setup and it is good to vote d1”
D2 jalmont (note, ill be keeping it short because i fell asleep last night, and I want to actually livepost after this because oh my fucking god i put too much work into these for something people will at most skim)
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-45#post-10331428
Feels like a continuation of jalmont’s d1 idealogy
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331831
Light NKA, and feeling pretty good about realiti
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331837
Feeling better about ck since the neon wagon felt unforced
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331865
I might be misattributing tone, but this feels like shading dbd over the ck read.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331874
Still sounds open to voting ck here
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10332782
This is a stretch, but the way jalmont talks to m2h here feeds into ck’s expectations of s!jalmont being utr
And thats it until the first ck readslist. I think this fits better into a s!ck t!jalmont world, where jalmont is high up because they expressed reads aligned to cks, and seem like they’re willing to defend ck a bit and also because I think jalmont has been more consistent, if a bit single-minded to this point.
Ck doesnt mention jalmont again until their second readslist, mentioning 1215, 1220 already (1215 is ap nka, 1220 is jalmonts personal poe(with ck still in it)) i discussed both of these before.
Wrt the readslist itself, jalmont moving lower fits into both town and scum ck worlds. I do think it’s weird that jalmont’s post on chickening (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10333022)
didn’t get any mentions, since it feels like good progression. On the whole, the readslist feels towny off the analysis done, but the jalmont read specifically feels underbaked, with less description on why specific actions make jalmont towny.
CK 3rd readslist
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-89#post-10336449
Jalmont since then:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10334189
Pressuring(?) dbd on the basis of the static ck read
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10335591
Interacts with nux, not onboard with flanders vote
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10335853
Defeatism post?, the context is nuxl, bluedoom, and apricity discussing them
(the context probably is more important than jalmonts posting especially wrt to ck’s read on them, but I REALLY don’t want to comb through that)
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-80#post-10335948
Progression on nuxl, hard to read tommy/fairy, somewhat hard to read dbd/me. I find it really hard to get an alignment from this. If I assume nuxl is town, this doesn’t seem to come from s!jalmont at all, I don’t think s!jalmont would be thinking of nuxl over self-pressing/setting up teammates. However, in s!nuxl cases, the possibility opens up for jalmont to be dispersing some of the pressure from apricity’s questioning on nuxl’s lack of progression on jalmont. I’m gonna go by probability and say it leans towny.
And thats the main stuff until the ck readslist.
More negative perception of jalmont, which aligns with the thread attitude over jalmont, but i dont think it aligns with jalmonts actions as well.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-90#post-10336520
I don’t get the tommy/jalmont v/v read at all. Probably rooted in all the context i skipped, but looking at jalmont’s posts on tommy specifically, they just feel reactive without much substance.
here on and off until dl
I have been staying updated on the thread (skimmed), and I finally mustered up the motivation to go through isos.
(edit: that was taking too long, so it’s gonna be ck progression on jalmont, with a LOTB of jalmont analysis asw)
CK's read on jalmont:
starts off towning jalmont over unfiltered posting
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-30#post-10329802 (and the follow up post two posts after)
defends jalmont from chickening, chickening's argument is that jalmont is avoiding making progress ("hinting at reads to withhold later")
ck claims several things:
a) jalmont as wolf would have no issue pushing people to be voted
this makes sense on a general scum agenda level, and it also makes sense for ck to use general scum theory for jalmont, because the other game ck played, this was a post that was made https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...a-over-mafia-win.3750529/page-3#post-10253959
b) if jalmont wants to play a utr game this is not how he does it
don't get this, because chickening did use the phrase 'bold wolf' for a reason, so idk why ck would talk about utr playstyles.
c) (this is in the followup) jalmont could be playing to meta, but ck is not leaning that way
I wish i had reasoning for why ck thought that in the past, because this is just an unfounded assumption
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-54#post-10332355
What jalmont has posted between the last post and this one:
the ‘don’t vote d1 arguments’, which I’ve all but tuned out because regardless of alignment i think jalmont makes those.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-31#post-10329914
(following a neon vote)in relation to ck, (looking at the post right below) it agrees with one of the two options ck openly proposes. There are further jalmont posts that im not linking, but they continue the train of thought on why they’re voting neon
Personal thought: Something feels weird in a good way about jalmont openly admitting he didn’t read nuxl’s post, given the context of jalmont actually voting d1, he could easily have excused the neon vote with it “oh i voted him because nuxl did the math for this setup and it is good to vote d1”
D2 jalmont (note, ill be keeping it short because i fell asleep last night, and I want to actually livepost after this because oh my fucking god i put too much work into these for something people will at most skim)
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-45#post-10331428
Feels like a continuation of jalmont’s d1 idealogy
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331831
Light NKA, and feeling pretty good about realiti
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331837
Feeling better about ck since the neon wagon felt unforced
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331865
I might be misattributing tone, but this feels like shading dbd over the ck read.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-49#post-10331874
Still sounds open to voting ck here
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10332782
This is a stretch, but the way jalmont talks to m2h here feeds into ck’s expectations of s!jalmont being utr
And thats it until the first ck readslist. I think this fits better into a s!ck t!jalmont world, where jalmont is high up because they expressed reads aligned to cks, and seem like they’re willing to defend ck a bit and also because I think jalmont has been more consistent, if a bit single-minded to this point.
Ck doesnt mention jalmont again until their second readslist, mentioning 1215, 1220 already (1215 is ap nka, 1220 is jalmonts personal poe(with ck still in it)) i discussed both of these before.
Wrt the readslist itself, jalmont moving lower fits into both town and scum ck worlds. I do think it’s weird that jalmont’s post on chickening (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10333022)
didn’t get any mentions, since it feels like good progression. On the whole, the readslist feels towny off the analysis done, but the jalmont read specifically feels underbaked, with less description on why specific actions make jalmont towny.
CK 3rd readslist
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-89#post-10336449
Jalmont since then:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10334189
Pressuring(?) dbd on the basis of the static ck read
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10335591
Interacts with nux, not onboard with flanders vote
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/post-10335853
Defeatism post?, the context is nuxl, bluedoom, and apricity discussing them
(the context probably is more important than jalmonts posting especially wrt to ck’s read on them, but I REALLY don’t want to comb through that)
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-80#post-10335948
Progression on nuxl, hard to read tommy/fairy, somewhat hard to read dbd/me. I find it really hard to get an alignment from this. If I assume nuxl is town, this doesn’t seem to come from s!jalmont at all, I don’t think s!jalmont would be thinking of nuxl over self-pressing/setting up teammates. However, in s!nuxl cases, the possibility opens up for jalmont to be dispersing some of the pressure from apricity’s questioning on nuxl’s lack of progression on jalmont. I’m gonna go by probability and say it leans towny.
And thats the main stuff until the ck readslist.
More negative perception of jalmont, which aligns with the thread attitude over jalmont, but i dont think it aligns with jalmonts actions as well.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/low-power-mafia-night-3.3754379/page-90#post-10336520
I don’t get the tommy/jalmont v/v read at all. Probably rooted in all the context i skipped, but looking at jalmont’s posts on tommy specifically, they just feel reactive without much substance.
here on and off until dl
my conclusion off all this is thaat ck's jalmont progression was initially weird, then seemed to just echo general thread opinion, and i dontr l;ike that
actually nah the tommy/jalmont stuff didnt echo general thread opinion that was just weird
idk what you mean by non event, i think jalmont going here isnt great because i think hes been ok, and i don’t really know what the cw is rn? ill update you when i find out
haha
right now dbd is at 6 and thechickening is at 5, with a fairy priming to vote them
so evidently i skimmed badly
Is it not 8?
#3,239 it’s 8!