Metagame USUM Pure Hackmons

[ZeldaFan1]

I've finally decided to write my VR follow up I promised. Probably shoulda done this a while ago but now is better than never. I won't go over the whole VR here just placements I see as divisive. With me approaching a month removed from that VR and hearing other's opinions for it, a couple of my opinions have shifted a bit, but so I'll mention that when relevant.

Standard VR

in A: I'd move this to A- in retrospect, starting off strong I know. My thought process was that is the 2nd best No Guard in my eyes. Slightly worse than though they're incredibly close. But has a couple other sets, mainly Water Bubble but also sometimes Magic Guard if you really really hate PDon Spam. The thing is, using Water Bubble more I've realized it's pretty damn niche. Definitely not good enough to justify an entire tier between these 2 Pokemon. It's still pretty underused though, people should run the No Guard set more.

in A: Another one my opinion has kinda shifted on, I really shouldn't have waited so long to do this lol. When I made this VR, my opinion on Harvest sets were a lot lower than they are now. I've seen the light, Harvest is stupid and really good. I'd probably move this to A+.

in A: it brought me great sadness moving this down to A from my A+ placement in my last VR, but it's not as good as or . Even with that, I still have it higher than most people lol. The fact it's weaknesses are generally a lot more rare than Steelix or Doublade's weaknesses is really good. Alongside it's STAB on Scald being useful and the slow pivoting being exceptional (though tying with ). But the increased vulnerability to entry hazards and the inability to stomach a Moongeist combined with competition with it's WG sets keep it from the A+ tier.

in A-: Opinions on MRay have been shifting more and more negative since I started playing the tier, but I think it still fits in A-. has the 2nd best STag set in the format, and it's only a hair worse than . The ability to consistently OHKO 2 of the best Pokemon in the format alongside just having really good offensive stats and the immunity to grounded hazards (most notably Webs) is great stuff. While both and can run certain things to deal with , the most common sets for both do not run these things. It's also absolutely worth noting that due to it's Flying type, is probably the best user of Arena Trap since opposing Imposters can't come in and reverse trap it.

in Prison: idk a jury found it guilty can't argue with that. The jury was 1 person large and was just me so I guess I could explain. There is practically 0 reason to ever use over . Not only is it's Special bulk generally less impactful than 's physical bulk, but (more notably) the HP difference not only allows to potentially run Innards sets but also survive opposing Innards better. The difference in bulk is small enough to not really matter to the point of and together, but this HP difference actually makes an impact and it's an impact that has no alternative draw to make up for. With all of this said, it also didn't really feel accurate to rank significantly lower than so it's in Prison instead. In retrospect, I'd leave it UR. "Viability" implies a reason to use the Pokemon and has none.

in B+: This is the best Psychic Surge lead, and I think Psychic Surge is a pretty decent archetype. should be on most Psychic Surge teams and if you're not than you kinda need a good reason. So for being probably the single best Pokemon on this archetype, a B+ ranking is warrented. Can run No Guard stuff too but that's more niche and didn't majorly play into this ranking.

in B: Probably the 3rd best Magic Guard user. It's STAB Combo is really good and it's stats are good enough. I have basically nothing else to say tbh, borders between B and B- but probably better than what's in B-.

in B: RIP Lunala post hpl. I still don't think it's quite as bad as some people are saying. It's still probably the best Innards Sweeper and Innards Sweepers are still decent on more offensive teams. With STAB Moongeist and Lunalium-Z it's still fine enough, but it falls short a lot leaving you just wanting / who are so much more consistent.

in C: Mold Breaker set is funny, otherwise what the hell does this do? No one runs it and I barely see any reason to run it. Mold set keeps it from dropping any lower though.

in D: but worse.

WG VR

in Prison: The extra SpDef matters even less and 's higher Defense matters more. The HP difference still matters here too not just 'cause of Innards but also since Wish is used a lot on WG . Ironically despite this, I'd actually still rank here in like C tier unlike the standard VR. is better at using Strength Sap due to it's lower HP. Who runs Strength Sap? No one, but it's something at least.

in B-: This thing sucks. It's Sunsteel is terrible, it's typing is mediocre, it's pretty slow and it's really predictable. No one has used this since Cats and Rabbits and I don't really like that team in the modern meta anyways.

That's about all I care to talk about. I would talk on for the Standard VR but I've never run it and feel like I need a more informed opinion to talk in depth on it. I'll just say it didn't impress me in hpl like it did so many others and leave it there.

Oh also, is probably good enough to be ranked, it's fine.

You listed out that Gigas has a niche, of being a more special defense oriented form of Slaking. Because of this, it has a niche. But then, you say it should be in UR. Sorry to say, but those two things are mutually exclusive. It has a niche, one far better then every single Mon in the lower ranks of the VR. It is a side grade to Slaking, and deserves the same rating as it. Also, Strength Sap is a very, very good move. So that whole thing of "Who runs Strength Sap" is kinda completely null. But that is more of a small issue then the Slaking Gigas as a non-WG section. If fucking Avalugg can get out of UR, a Pokemon that actually gets used because of what it can do should also not be in UR.

 

[Siphonaptera]

You listed out that Gigas has a niche, of being a more special defense oriented form of Slaking. Because of this, it has a niche. But then, you say it should be in UR. Sorry to say, but those two things are mutually exclusive. It has a niche, one far better then every single Mon in the lower ranks of the VR. It is a side grade to Slaking, and deserves the same rating as it. Also, Strength Sap is a very, very good move. So that whole thing of "Who runs Strength Sap" is kinda completely null. But that is more of a small issue then the Slaking Gigas as a non-WG section. If fucking Avalugg can get out of UR, a Pokemon that actually gets used because of what it can do should also not be in UR.

Gigas' higher Special Bulk is inconsequential, not only is Slak's Physical bulk generally better but the difference is small enough that you'd never use Gigas for that bulk. The lower HP actually matters, so why would you use Gigas?

Strength Sap is a move that basically nobody uses anymore mainly just because it's blocked by Bounce, and I think compared to Slak the amount of times you'd actually run Strength Sap is about as often as you'd use the C tier WGs.

I couldn't care less how often a Pokemon is used. Avalugg actually has a reason to be used, Gigas doesn't. I don't think Pokemon should be ranked based off of how effective they are in a vacuum, you have to take into account the meta that surrounds them and the competition they have. While Gigas might be effective in a Vacuum, you'd never run it.

It's worth noting there is precedent to this found in past gens. In gen 6, Gigas is entirely UR from the WG VR despite technically doing some stuff better than Slaking sometimes. It shouldn't matter if a Pokemon can work if it's a worse version of something else and there is a lot of precedent to that found throughout a lot of competitive Pokemon tiers.

 

[ZeldaFan1]

Gigas' higher Special Bulk is inconsequential, not only is Slak's Physical bulk generally better but the difference is small enough that you'd never use Gigas for that bulk. The lower HP actually matters, so why would you use Gigas?

Strength Sap is a move that basically nobody uses anymore mainly just because it's blocked by Bounce, and I think compared to Slak the amount of times you'd actually run Strength Sap is about as often as you'd use the C tier WGs.

I couldn't care less how often a Pokemon is used. Avalugg actually has a reason to be used, Gigas doesn't. I don't think Pokemon should be ranked based off of how effective they are in a vacuum, you have to take into account the meta that surrounds them and the competition they have. While Gigas might be effective in a Vacuum, you'd never run it.

It's worth noting there is precedent to this found in past gens. In gen 6, Gigas is entirely UR from the WG VR despite technically doing some stuff better than Slaking sometimes. It shouldn't matter if a Pokemon can work if it's a worse version of something else and there is a lot of precedent to that found throughout a lot of competitive Pokemon tiers.

Gigas can face-tank a MRay Clangorous Soulblaze. Slaking cannot. Gigas can take on mons like MMY much better then Slaking can. That is a viable niche, a use that Gigas has over Slaking. And, unlike most niche mons, it has the same Attack and Speed as Slaking. It is the definition of a side grade, a Mon that is very much usable, and is better then Slaking in some opportunities, and not that much worse in most other situations. For the Strength Sap thing....yeah. Fair enough. It is better for mons trying to stop a MMX or something, but your argument about Strength Sap is not one I will try to argue against.

It's a bit like Chansey vs. Blissey. Chansey is better, but Blissey still has a niche. So why would Blissey be ranked, but Gigas not? It would make no sense, no sense at all.

 

[splodge]

There's been a lot of discussion about changing the VR recently, and I agree with a lot of the things people are saying, but one thing that hasn't changed ever since I started PH is the blacklist. Currently the only thing there is Burn Up, which, if I'm not mistaken, was added because lots of players (mainly on low ladder, but I have seen people using it at around 1300s, and even one above 1500) were using it even though it's unviable and really shouldn't be used at all. But there are other things that are also unviable that I've been seeing a lot more than Burn Up, and I think they also should be on the blacklist. They are:

Shuckle: In October, this had 8.95% usage on all of the ladder, which is ridiculous for a mon with terrible defensive typing and mediocre bulk. The reason it's used so much is because of those huge base 230 defensive stats, but the base 20 HP means it's less bulky than Mega Audino (Shuckle has 149,816 bulk on both sides, while Maudi has 158,260). 35.31% of Shuckle had Baton Pass, while 27.24% had Extreme Evoboost, meaning Evoboost passing is a popular strategy with it, which isn't viable even on a good mon.

Shedinja: This might be a bit of a hot take considering it's currently on the VR, but I've almost never seen it being used outside of low ladder, and a lot of people agree it should be unranked. The reason I think it should be blacklisted? It requires way too much support to work, and overall isn't worth it. You need a Defogger or a Magic Bouncer healthy at all times to make sure hazards stay off your side of the field, an Imposter or multiple Wonder Guard users to scout for Sunsteel/Moongeist/Photon, and multiple status absorbers. And even if you have that, it can't Endeavour vs ghost types or Wonder Guard users, often turning it into fodder. Yet it still had 19.88% usage last month, only being beaten by Deo-S, Mega Rayquaza, MMX, Zyg-C, and Chansey. (Before anyone says "You can just give it a sash to live any hit and Endeavour one of your opponent's key threats, forcing them to either get KO'd by Espeed or trapped by Pursuit", either your opponent has multiple offensive threats that can KO it, or defensive mons that can burn, poison, or PP stall it, or set up hazards. Also, literally any other mon would do it better than Shedinja, since they won't instantly faint to hazards and can use Prankster Destiny Bond to always get a KO if your opponent doesn't see it coming [which is still unlikely]).

Honorable Mentions:


Deoxys-Defense: Anyone who has heard about the .bulk command knows that this is completely outclassed by Cresselia. I originally wasn't gonna put Pokémon that are obviously outclassed by others, but Deo was worth mentioning because it had over 6% usage last month.

Electric Type Air Balloon: This is another thing almost everyone new to PH uses and isn't very good in high-level play, BUT, they could have niches as fast Sunsteel resists (obviously not Pichu), and they could run Air Balloon to give an immunity to Fissure (and the less common Bonemerang) like Alolan Muk sometimes does. They're not very good, but not so bad they're blacklist worthy.

F.E.A.R/Obviously bad Pokémon: I don't really need to explain this. I don't see people using them very much even on low ladder, and most people who do use them probably aren't taking the metagame seriously and are just using them for fun, so it's very unlikely people will discuss people putting them on the VR. Still worth mentioning though.


I may update this list based on what other people say, but I think I've covered all of the main things.

 

[timeflow]

D Rank

Groudon @ Red Orb

I haven't really played this tier and forgive me if this isn't the right place to put this but.... what does this guy even do? I initially couldn't see how this is worth using over desolate land pdon, but I did some digging and apparently the reason to use it is you can pull off some kind of interaction with terrain..? I thought that groudon's ability doesn't activate before the red orb transforms it?

 

[splodge]

I haven't really played this tier and forgive me if this isn't the right place to put this but.... what does this guy even do? I initially couldn't see how this is worth using over desolate land pdon, but I did some digging and apparently the reason to use it is you can pull off some kind of interaction with terrain..? I thought that groudon's ability doesn't activate before the red orb transforms it?

Its ability does activate before it transforms, so it has a niche with Misty Surge to remove Psychic Terrain. I haven't seen people using this though, probably because psyspam isn't very common, it can't hold a different item, and it has to have Desolate Land instead of a better ability (it does help vs Water Bubble Ashgren though)

 

[ZeldaFan1]

There's been a lot of discussion about changing the VR recently, and I agree with a lot of the things people are saying, but one thing that hasn't changed ever since I started PH is the blacklist. Currently the only thing there is Burn Up, which, if I'm not mistaken, was added because lots of players (mainly on low ladder, but I have seen people using it at around 1300s, and even one above 1500) were using it even though it's unviable and really shouldn't be used at all. But there are other things that are also unviable that I've been seeing a lot more than Burn Up, and I think they also should be on the blacklist. They are:

Shuckle: In October, this had 8.95% usage on all of the ladder, which is ridiculous for a mon with terrible defensive typing and mediocre bulk. The reason it's used so much is because of those huge base 230 defensive stats, but the base 20 HP means it's less bulky than Mega Audino (Shuckle has 149,816 bulk on both sides, while Maudi has 158,260). 35.31% of Shuckle had Baton Pass, while 27.24% had Extreme Evoboost, meaning Evoboost passing is a popular strategy with it, which isn't viable even on a good mon.

Shedinja: This might be a bit of a hot take considering it's currently on the VR, but I've almost never seen it being used outside of low ladder, and a lot of people agree it should be unranked. The reason I think it should be blacklisted? It requires way too much support to work, and overall isn't worth it. You need a Defogger or a Magic Bouncer healthy at all times to make sure hazards stay off your side of the field, an Imposter or multiple Wonder Guard users to scout for Sunsteel/Moongeist/Photon, and multiple status absorbers. And even if you have that, it can't Endeavour vs ghost types or Wonder Guard users, often turning it into fodder. Yet it still had 19.88% usage last month, only being beaten by Deo-S, Mega Rayquaza, MMX, Zyg-C, and Chansey. (Before anyone says "You can just give it a sash to live any hit and Endeavour one of your opponent's key threats, forcing them to either get KO'd by Espeed or trapped by Pursuit", either your opponent has multiple offensive threats that can KO it, or defensive mons that can burn, poison, or PP stall it, or set up hazards. Also, literally any other mon would do it better than Shedinja, since they won't instantly faint to hazards and can use Prankster Destiny Bond to always get a KO if your opponent doesn't see it coming [which is still unlikely]).

Honorable Mentions:


Deoxys-Defense: Anyone who has heard about the .bulk command knows that this is completely outclassed by Cresselia. I originally wasn't gonna put Pokémon that are obviously outclassed by others, but Deo was worth mentioning because it had over 6% usage last month.

Electric Type Air Balloon: This is another thing almost everyone new to PH uses and isn't very good in high-level play, BUT, they could have niches as fast Sunsteel resists (obviously not Pichu), and they could run Air Balloon to give an immunity to Fissure (and the less common Bonemerang) like Alolan Muk sometimes does. They're not very good, but not so bad they're blacklist worthy.

F.E.A.R/Obviously bad Pokémon: I don't really need to explain this. I don't see people using them very much even on low ladder, and most people who do use them probably aren't taking the metagame seriously and are just using them for fun, so it's very unlikely people will discuss people putting them on the VR. Still worth mentioning though.


I may update this list based on what other people say, but I think I've covered all of the main things.

Heya! Resident low to mid ladder player here, to comment on this kind of stuff.
Zeraora is not terrible. It's not good, don't get me wrong. But it can be used, and it does have a niche of a fast steel resistant WG mon. Honestly, if I would be forced to run Zeraora, it might not be a bad idea to not even run the balloon, as the only weakness you would gain from not is a Fissure weakness.
Shed has a niche. It's best set is probably the prankster sash recycle set, but it can run others. It is very bad, it requires way to much support to function, all of that. But it has a niche, that it fills, that nothing else does. If people can try and argue that fucking Avalugg should be ranked, then Shed kinda has to be ranked as well
Also, I'm not sure if this fits here, but I keep seeing Marshadow. It's not good. I'm not sure why it keeps showing up, but is is something that is seemingly quite common in the low ladder area.

 

[splodge]

Heya! Resident low to mid ladder player here, to comment on this kind of stuff.
Zeraora is not terrible. It's not good, don't get me wrong. But it can be used, and it does have a niche of a fast steel resistant WG mon. Honestly, if I would be forced to run Zeraora, it might not be a bad idea to not even run the balloon, as the only weakness you would gain from not is a Fissure weakness.
Shed has a niche. It's best set is probably the prankster sash recycle set, but it can run others. It is very bad, it requires way to much support to function, all of that. But it has a niche, that it fills, that nothing else does. If people can try and argue that fucking Avalugg should be ranked, then Shed kinda has to be ranked as well
Also, I'm not sure if this fits here, but I keep seeing Marshadow. It's not good. I'm not sure why it keeps showing up, but is is something that is seemingly quite common in the low ladder area.

I didn't say Zeraora should be blacklisted. I just said it's commonly used on low ladder and isn't very good, but could have enough of a niche to discuss putting on the VR.
Even though Shedinja has a niche that nothing else has, it isn't a very good niche, and it really isn't worth using.
I've also seen Marshadow a lot on low ladder before. It is outclassed by other fighting types like MMX and other ghost types like Mega Banette. But I said I wasn't gonna put Pokémon outclassed by others, and it isn't in the honourable mentions because it isn't used anywhere near as much as Deo-D. Also, Marshadow could in thoery have a niche over the MMX and Banette as a Huge Power user if you want a fast Ghost type that hits hard physically (I haven't tried it though, and it still probably isn't very good)

 

[ZeldaFan1]

I didn't say Zeraora should be blacklisted. I just said it's commonly used on low ladder and isn't very good, but could have enough of a niche to discuss putting on the VR.
Even though Shedinja has a niche that nothing else has, it isn't a very good niche, and it really isn't worth using.
I've also seen Marshadow a lot on low ladder before. It is outclassed by other fighting types like MMX and other ghost types like Mega Banette. But I said I wasn't gonna put Pokémon outclassed by others, and it isn't in the honourable mentions because it isn't used anywhere near as much as Deo-D. Also, Marshadow could in thoery have a niche over the MMX and Banette as a Huge Power user if you want a fast Ghost type that hits hard physically (I haven't tried it though, and it still probably isn't very good)

The thing is, even if the niche is not good at all, it is unique. Very unique. Which means, that despite the fact that I personally would love to see shed unranked, I just can't. It has a true niche. It's a bad one, yes, but on some very specific teams it would be the best option. I hate to say it, but shed should stay on the VR, in a very low position.

 

[sussyamongusdrip]

Personal WG Vr​

Decided to make this for the hell of it. No mon explanations this time cuz i don't care enough to write them, also i wanna see yall mald about my hot takes in phcord lmao. Vr is ordered within tiers, also sturdy users are included cuz they serve a similar niche on teams as no guard blockers.

S Rank​

#1 if real Entei

S Tier​

1. Audino-Mega

S- Tier​

2. Slowbro-Mega

A Rank​

A+ Tier​

3. Muk-Alola
(gap cuz muk is goated)
4.

Meloetta
5.

Gyarados-Mega

A Tier​

6.

Ash-Greninja
7. Slaking
8. Hoopa-Unbound
9. Necrozma Dawn Wings
10.

Kartana

A- Tier​

11. Arceus
12.

Scizor-Mega
13. Groudon-Primal
14. Doublade
15.

Celesteela

Prison​

16. Oranguru
17. Regigigas

B Rank​

B+ Tier​

18. Kyogre-Primal
19. Mewtwo-Mega-Y
20.

Homophobe
21. Zygarde-Complete
22. Gardevoir-Mega

B Tier​

23. Type: Null
24. Yveltal
25. Swampert-Mega
26. Mewtwo-Mega-X
27. Blissey

B- Tier​

28. Steelix-Mega (for its sturdy set)
29. THE POD
30. Magearna
31. Umbreon
32. Houndoom-Mega
33. Cresselia
34. Sableye-Mega
35. Gyarados@Stone
36. Bisharp
37. Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

C Rank ​

C+ Tier​

38. Aggron-Mega
39. Chansey
40. Skuntank
41.

Zeraora
42. Gengar-Mega
43. Pidgeot-Mega
44. Ditto

C Tier​

45.

Registeel
46.

Pheromosa
47. Solgaleo
48. Darmanitan-Zen
49. Lunala
50.

Lopunny-Mega

C- Tier​

51. Volcanion
52. Dialga
53. Deoxys-Speed
54. Shedinja
55. Ho-oh
56. Raticate-Alola
57. Palkia

 

[diemond35472]

I haven't really played this tier and forgive me if this isn't the right place to put this but.... what does this guy even do? I initially couldn't see how this is worth using over desolate land pdon, but I did some digging and apparently the reason to use it is you can pull off some kind of interaction with terrain..? I thought that groudon's ability doesn't activate before the red orb transforms it?

Groudon's ability takes place before it transforms, so yes it can pull off a 1 time terrain. Nobody realistically uses the set though, but it's good knowledge to know it exists.

 

[hendrit]

After having used every mon currently ranked on the vr (excluding ones I think should be UR) I'm making a personal vr now because my clearly very important takes need to be stated (and because im bored)
(ranked alphabetically)
S+
Wonder Guard

Wonder Guard VR

S
Audino-Mega

A+
Greninja-Ash
Meloetta
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Slowbro-Mega

A
Gyarados-Mega
Hoopa-Unbound
Muk-Alola
Oranguru

A-
Arceus
Kartana
Slaking

B+
Celesteela
Ferrothorn
Groudon-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Regigigas

B
Gardevoir-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Scizor-Mega
Type: Null

B-
Bisharp
Cresselia
Gengar-Mega
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Kyogre-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Sableye Mega
Swampert-Mega

S
Chansey
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Zygarde Complete

S-
Blissey

A+
Doublade
Gengar-Mega
Groudon-Primal
Slaking
Steelix-Mega

A
Diancie-Mega
Greninja-Ash
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Regigigas
Slowbro-Mega
Solgaleo

A-
Deoxys-Attack
Gyarados-Mega
Kartana
Lopunny-Mega
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Rayquaza-Mega

B+
Aggron-Mega
Necrozma-Ultra
Pikachu
Type: Null
Yveltal

B
Alakazam-Mega
Banette-Mega
Gardevoir-Mega
Heracross-Mega
Kyurem-Black
Metagross-Mega
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Pheromosa

B-
Arceus
Articuno
Celesteela
Deoxys-Speed
Lunala
Marowak-Alola
Mawile @ Mawilite
Muk-Alola
C+
Cresselia
Excadrill
Giratina
Guzzlord
Registeel
C
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Lugia
Giratina-Origin

C-
Ho-Oh
Kyogre-Primal
Tyranitar-Mega

D
Absol-Mega
Avalugg
Froslass
Sceptile-Mega
Zekrom

explanations for newly added mons

Absol-Mega - Absol-Mega plays similarly to a set up huge power Gyarados-Mega, but it notably outspeeds choice scarf Gengar-Mega and Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Alakazam-Mega - Strong lead for psyspam teams
Zekrom - Priority attacker that doesn't need to run coverage to hit mega slowbro (diancie is still better most of the time)

 

[mayonnaise. mayo.]

After having used every mon currently ranked on the vr (excluding ones I think should be UR) I'm making a personal vr now because my clearly very important takes need to be stated (and because im bored)
(ranked alphabetically)
S+
Wonder Guard

Wonder Guard VR

S
Audino-Mega

A+
Greninja-Ash
Meloetta
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Slowbro-Mega

A
Gyarados-Mega
Hoopa-Unbound
Muk-Alola
Oranguru

A-
Arceus
Kartana
Slaking

B+
Celesteela
Ferrothorn
Groudon-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Regigigas

B
Gardevoir-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Scizor-Mega
Type: Null

B-
Bisharp
Cresselia
Gengar-Mega
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Kyogre-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Sableye Mega
Swampert-Mega

S
Chansey
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Zygarde Complete

S-
Blissey

A+
Doublade
Gengar-Mega
Groudon-Primal
Slaking
Steelix-Mega

A
Diancie-Mega
Greninja-Ash
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Regigigas
Slowbro-Mega
Solgaleo

A-
Deoxys-Attack
Gyarados-Mega
Kartana
Lopunny-Mega
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Rayquaza-Mega

B+
Aggron-Mega
Necrozma-Ultra
Pikachu
Type: Null
Yveltal

B
Alakazam-Mega
Banette-Mega
Gardevoir-Mega
Heracross-Mega
Kyurem-Black
Metagross-Mega
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Pheromosa

B-
Arceus
Articuno
Celesteela
Deoxys-Speed
Lunala
Marowak-Alola
Mawile @ Mawilite
Muk-Alola
C+
Cresselia
Excadrill
Giratina
Guzzlord
Registeel
C
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Lugia
Giratina-Origin

C-
Ho-Oh
Kyogre-Primal
Tyranitar-Mega

D
Absol-Mega
Avalugg
Froslass
Sceptile-Mega
Zekrom

explanations for newly added mons

Absol-Mega - Absol-Mega plays similarly to a set up huge power Gyarados-Mega, but it notably outspeeds choice scarf Gengar-Mega and Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Alakazam-Mega - Strong lead for psyspam teams
Zekrom - Priority attacker that doesn't need to run coverage to hit mega slowbro (diancie is still better most of the time)

YAY MY BOY IS ABOVE MAROWAK

 

[splodge]

No Context Personal WG Vr​

Decided to make this for the hell of it. No mon explanations this time cuz i don't care enough to write them, also i wanna see yall mald about my hot takes in phcord lmao. Vr is ordered within tiers, also sturdy users are included cuz they serve a similar niche on teams as no guard blockers.

S Rank​

#1 if real Entei

S Tier​

1. Audino-Mega

S- Tier​

2. Slowbro-Mega

A Rank​

A+ Tier​

3. Muk-Alola23.
(gap cuz muk is goated)
4.

Gyarados-Mega
5. Ash-Greninja
6. Meloetta
7.

Hoopa-Unbound

A Tier​

8. Slaking
9. Doublade
10. Necrozma Dawn Wings

A- Tier​

11. Kartana
12. Arceus
13. Groudon-Primal
14. Scizor-Mega

Prison​

15. Oranguru
16. Regigigas

B Rank​

B+ Tier​

17. Celesteela
18. Kyogre-Primal
19. Mewtwo-Mega-Y
20. Zygarde-Complete
21. Gardevoir-Mega

B Tier​

22. Homophobe
23. Type: Null
24. Yveltal
25. Swampert-Mega
26. Mewtwo-Mega-X
27. Blissey

B- Tier​

28. Steelix-Mega (for its sturdy set)
29. THE POD
30. Magearna
31. Umbreon
32. Houndoom-Mega
33. Cresselia
34. Sableye-Mega
35. Gyarados@Stone
36. Bisharp
37. Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

C Rank ​

C+ Tier​

38. Aggron-Mega
39. Chansey
40. Skuntank
41. Gengar-Mega
42. Registeel
43. Pidgeot-Mega
44.

Pheromosa

C Tier​

45.

Zeraora
46. Lopunny-Mega
47. Solgaleo
48. Darmanitan-Zen
49. Lunala

C- Tier​

50. Volcanion
51. Dialga
52. Deoxys-Speed
53. Shedinja
54. Ho-oh
55. Raticate-Alola
56. Palkia

THE POD (very underrated, I tried it out recently)
Why is Shedinja ranked though?

 

[sussyamongusdrip]

THE POD (very underrated, I tried it out recently)
Why is Shedinja ranked though?

technically has a tiniest niche as a progress maker on specific stall teams with its sturdy set (i included sturdy users in my wg vr btw). but honestly the c- tier and most of c are just kinda "technically has a tiny niche somewhere".

 

[splodge]

technically has a tiniest niche as a progress maker on specific stall teams with its sturdy set (i included sturdy users in my wg vr btw). but honestly the c- tier and most of c are just kinda "technically has a tiny niche somewhere".

Oh I didn't realise sturdy mons were ranked
(I still think it's unviable, but at least I kinda get why it's ranked)

 

[ZeldaFan1]

After having used every mon currently ranked on the vr (excluding ones I think should be UR) I'm making a personal vr now because my clearly very important takes need to be stated (and because im bored)
(ranked alphabetically)
S+
Wonder Guard

Wonder Guard VR

S
Audino-Mega

A+
Greninja-Ash
Meloetta
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Slowbro-Mega

A
Gyarados-Mega
Hoopa-Unbound
Muk-Alola
Oranguru

A-
Arceus
Kartana
Slaking

B+
Celesteela
Ferrothorn
Groudon-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Regigigas

B
Gardevoir-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Scizor-Mega
Type: Null

B-
Bisharp
Cresselia
Gengar-Mega
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Kyogre-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Sableye Mega
Swampert-Mega

S
Chansey
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Zygarde Complete

S-
Blissey

A+
Doublade
Gengar-Mega
Groudon-Primal
Slaking
Steelix-Mega

A
Diancie-Mega
Greninja-Ash
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Regigigas
Slowbro-Mega
Solgaleo

A-
Deoxys-Attack
Gyarados-Mega
Kartana
Lopunny-Mega
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Rayquaza-Mega

B+
Aggron-Mega
Necrozma-Ultra
Pikachu
Type: Null
Yveltal

B
Alakazam-Mega
Banette-Mega
Gardevoir-Mega
Heracross-Mega
Kyurem-Black
Metagross-Mega
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Pheromosa

B-
Arceus
Articuno
Celesteela
Deoxys-Speed
Lunala
Marowak-Alola
Mawile @ Mawilite
Muk-Alola
C+
Cresselia
Excadrill
Giratina
Guzzlord
Registeel
C
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Lugia
Giratina-Origin

C-
Ho-Oh
Kyogre-Primal
Tyranitar-Mega

D
Absol-Mega
Avalugg
Froslass
Sceptile-Mega
Zekrom

explanations for newly added mons

Absol-Mega - Absol-Mega plays similarly to a set up huge power Gyarados-Mega, but it notably outspeeds choice scarf Gengar-Mega and Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Alakazam-Mega - Strong lead for psyspam teams
Zekrom - Priority attacker that doesn't need to run coverage to hit mega slowbro (diancie is still better most of the time)

I told you [SIPHONAPTERA] that the [POWER OF GIGAS] is [A RANK] material! They are a real [BIG SHOT!] A [BIG DEAL!] The [BIGGEST ONE OF ALL*!] The [SWEET TASTE OF GIGA] cannot be stopped!

(*Slaking is still better but at least Gigas gets the rank it deserves.)

 

[diemond35472]

got bored so i made a quick huge power VR
note some things i either overlooked completely, or my takes are horrid. ordered within tiers

S tier:
1. (undisbuted GOAT of Huge Power)

S- tier:

2. (fakespeed king)

A+ tier:
3. (very debatable take, ranked it higher than solg because nuke)
4. (probably the better offensive typings that aren't moldy)
5. (bulkier and faster, but weaker ndm)
6. (solid mon overall, had lots of success with it)

A tier:
...but nobody came

A- tier:
7. (side note: i haven't used this, just going by the general thesis)
8. (solgaleo but fast)

B+ tier:
9. (priority nuke)
10. (minimal experience with this, it's very good though)
11. (untested, probably good enough with pursuits)
12. (same deal as gyara, except faster in exchange for bulk)

B tier:
13. (dependent on team comps to thrive)
14. (this is less a "regigigas sucks" and more of a "slaking is much better")
15. (untested, it's a frailer gyarados except it has STAB sunsteel)
16. (i used this once and it was shit imo, i respect its niche though)

B- tier:
17. (i mean sure, try it)
18. (i don't know what this does)
19. (use this if you want to be different)

C tier:
20. (seems good enough on paper)
21. (why)
22. (so this exists
23. (if you do this i'm concerned)

D tier:

24. (i lost 2 mons to this one time) (shoutout to faux and whoever else made me suffer with this)

edit: moved up, added S- tier, added

 

[Faux Focalors Furina]

24. (i lost 2 mons to this one time)

edit: moved up, added S- tier, added

Hey atleast give me a shoutout

 

[diemond35472]

Hey atleast give me a shoutout

i've fought like 3 huge power audinos in my life i don't remember who used them all, apologies

 

[Faux Focalors Furina]

i've fought like 3 huge power audinos in my life i don't remember who used them all, apologies

JK it's fine, it's cool you can say that we we're nothing but you know the truth

I just use it for the lols

 

[splodge]

24. (i lost 2 mons to this one time) (shoutout to faux and whoever else made me suffer with this)

I used it against you too, you thought it was safe to set up with Mega Gyarados but you were wrong

 

[ZeldaFan1]

got bored so i made a quick huge power VR
note some things i either overlooked completely, or my takes are horrid. ordered within tiers

S tier:
1. (undisbuted GOAT of Huge Power)

S- tier:

2. (fakespeed king)

A+ tier:
3. (very debatable take, ranked it higher than solg because nuke)
4. (probably the better offensive typings that aren't moldy)
5. (bulkier and faster, but weaker ndm)
6. (solid mon overall, had lots of success with it)

A tier:
...but nobody came

A- tier:
7. (side note: i haven't used this, just going by the general thesis)
8. (solgaleo but fast)

B+ tier:
9. (priority nuke)
10. (minimal experience with this, it's very good though)
11. (untested, probably good enough with pursuits)
12. (same deal as gyara, except faster in exchange for bulk)

B tier:
13. (dependent on team comps to thrive)
14. (this is less a "regigigas sucks" and more of a "slaking is much better")
15. (untested, it's a frailer gyarados except it has STAB sunsteel)
16. (i used this once and it was shit imo, i respect its niche though)

B- tier:
17. (i mean sure, try it)
18. (i don't know what this does)
19. (use this if you want to be different)

C tier:
20. (seems good enough on paper)
21. (why)
22. (so this exists
23. (if you do this i'm concerned)

D tier:

24. (i lost 2 mons to this one time) (shoutout to faux and whoever else made me suffer with this)

edit: moved up, added S- tier, added

Who the hell is running Huge Power MMY. Like actually why the hell would you do that. And how is M-Lopunny not higher then it? M-Lopunny is, at the very least, a physical Mon that can actually run physical moves. MMY has zero reason to use Huge Power. Put it in C, it is in the same zone as random bad shit like Huge Power Aegislash-B. This is such a petty complaint, but I make petty complaints so it is in character.

 

[IReallyDontKnowlol2]

Who the hell is running Huge Power MMY. Like actually why the hell would you do that. And how is M-Lopunny not higher then it? M-Lopunny is, at the very least, a physical Mon that can actually run physical moves. MMY has zero reason to use Huge Power. Put it in C, it is in the same zone as random bad shit like Huge Power Aegislash-B. This is such a petty complaint, but I make petty complaints so it is in character.

mmy still has 150 base attack.
252+ Atk Huge Power Mewtwo-Mega-Y Searing Sunraze Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Audino-Mega: 650-766 (158.5 - 186.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
any physical walls like slowbro, doublade etc js get nuked by mmy's special moves.
HP mmy is really just really big role compression

 

[diemond35472]

Who the hell is running Huge Power MMY. Like actually why the hell would you do that. And how is M-Lopunny not higher then it? M-Lopunny is, at the very least, a physical Mon that can actually run physical moves. MMY has zero reason to use Huge Power. Put it in C, it is in the same zone as random bad shit like Huge Power Aegislash-B. This is such a petty complaint, but I make petty complaints so it is in character.

1. MMY has more ATK than MLopunny
2. MMY is faster than MLopunny
3. MMY gets STAB on a moldy move
4. MMY has more set variety
5. MMY is a special attacker, so physical walls are unlikely to come in on it without prior scouting.
6. MMY is bulkier than MLopunny
7. nobody's seriously running HP MMY be real