NOC Low Power Mafia -- Mafia Win

My problem with voting des is that if des is scum then:

- She looked extremely towny at the start, extremely similar to her previous game.

- Townread by most early and at worst null for a few slots like Realiti and lechen.

- Then she decided to randomly drop the towny act midgame and be disconnected with the thread as scum. As a result she gets called out by almost everyone in the POE regardless of alignment.


I don't know it feels like extremely suboptimal to do as mafia, why drop the act midway? Is mafia doing that well that they don't even need des to survive in order to win?

Additionally:
#493
Counterpoint: newer mafia can't fake reads in the first place bc they're scared of getting caught or dragging down the team, so they're frozen and refuse to form opinions

however Des is slowly giving their reads even if there isn't much reasoning so I do townlean them now
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I read this as being "forced" to townread her because of threadstate and she constantly being towny rather than conveniently jumping in to townread a teammate. Like it was not in his plan.

#339
nuxl duskfall98 skipper Flandrs AP townlean

m2h scumlean

don’t feel strongly about anyone else. popcorn to you, what are your reads?
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#351
don't really have a strong opinion, you could be a town newbie trying to get involved in the game or mafia who can't think of content so you ask others for reads instead of making your own. so i'd say null

even if you aren't confident in your reads, voicing any thoughts about other players would help me read your slot
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So next time he posts reads he does this
#1,528
TOWNCORE
Nuxl: Very difficult to fake this level of engagement and solving attempt as scum

des: Very difficult to fake this level of engagement and solving attempt as scum

TOWNLEAN
JALMONT: Hard to see why scum!JALMONT would engage so heavily D2 in a dead thread, his posts seem to come from genuine thought and curiosity

Skipper: I’ve played with both town!Skipper & mafia!Skipper, his playstyle was drastically different between alignments and I correctly read him both times. He normally dodges the thread as scum and is sporadic as town, IMO he is strongly in his town meta this game

Flandrs: Good D1 posting IMO, strong thread presence when he was active. Liked his initiative and the interaction with JALMONT (don’t see why you’d antagonize him as town). Pretty blunt and to-the-point posting, which I associate more with town than scum (who normally try to word things in non-committal manners). However, he is below JALMONT and skipper because I don’t know his meta and he doesn’t have many reads.

SCUMLEAN
Duskfall98: I liked his earlier posts where he was casually tossing out town reads, thought that he wasn't forcing an agenda which I associate with his scum play. But I don’t like his push on Neon, it comes out of nowhere during a lull in the thread. Neon is a sporadic player and it’s hard to see why Tommy would pop in and go “THIS is the one scum read I have,” especially when he knows about Neon’s history. I understand the other Neon voters who couldn't think of better options, but Tommy's push seems opportunistic. Also don’t like his D2 entrance, he says he’s tilted but just waves off the vote and disappears - feels like he’s trying to pretend to be annoyed but doesn’t actually care.

DbD: Early CK tunnel D1 was fine, but then CK continues to flood the thread and DbD doesn’t re-evaluate the slot or interact with her posts. Seems like a lazy scumread made to avoid giving actual reads - I do this a lot as scum as well

Lechen: Don’t like his D1 progression, meh entrance -> scum reading two easy targets. Ironically I can apply his scumread on skipper to Lechen himself, seems like he’s throwing shade that doesn’t hurt his rep. Backtracking on the CK vote later was pretty towny IMO, but he goes back to the CK vote D2 which I found confusing.

SCUMCORE
Not enough happening to have someone here. This is my new term for players that I end up tunneling.
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I read this whole interaction as realiti noticing that not townreading des at that point was a lost cause. Then he proceeds to add a couple of towny slots as scumleans because I don't think you can afford to not do so at least vs some townies, how do you cause mislynches then? I'm not sure how to interpret his mentions of flandrs (apricity) and lechen yet.

I could be totally off but this is what it makes the most sense to me after reading early game regarding to des.

Focusing on other slots later.
 
Alice Kazumi said:
My problem with voting des is that if des is scum then:

- She looked extremely towny at the start, extremely similar to her previous game.

- Townread by most early and at worst null for a few slots like Realiti and lechen.

- Then she decided to randomly drop the towny act midgame and be disconnected with the thread as scum. As a result she gets called out by almost everyone in the POE regardless of alignment.


I don't know it feels like extremely suboptimal to do as mafia, why drop the act midway? Is mafia doing that well that they don't even need des to survive in order to win?

Additionally:
#493


I read this as being "forced" to townread her because of threadstate and she constantly being towny rather than conveniently jumping in to townread a teammate. Like it was not in his plan.

#339

#351

So next time he posts reads he does this
#1,528


I read this whole interaction as realiti noticing that not townreading des at that point was a lost cause. Then he proceeds to add a couple of towny slots as scumleans because I don't think you can afford to not do so at least vs some townies, how do you cause mislynches then? I'm not sure how to interpret his mentions of flandrs (apricity) and lechen yet.

I could be totally off but this is what it makes the most sense to me after reading early game regarding to des.

Focusing on other slots later.
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the problem is, if des isn't scum this means, from my pov, that apricity HAS to be scum, and one of you/ehmcee/nuxl/ne are scum too
 
apricity said:
Do you think Des is that kind of calculating player

I don’t know

I’m weirded out by the whole thing

I think lechen hits more often than des does

I think a des town lynch hurts way more than a lechen town lynch does
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everything i've done is literally suboptimal for mafia???? ffs im not gonna repeat my argument for the nth time when you refuse to respond to it and just be like. oh i think this hits mafia most of the time
 
apricity said:
Do you think Des is that kind of calculating player

I don’t know

I’m weirded out by the whole thing

I think lechen hits more often than des does

I think a des town lynch hurts way more than a lechen town lynch does
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My reasoning is that it's so simple to dm des to keep doing what she was doing early game that I don't get why would you go this way instead:
#4,235

I don't know this game got really hard.

Lechen said:
the other 3 are basically locktowned, and apricity is a tier below you in terms of deepwolf imo, if you are mafia, the chickening vote is weird because you prob want towncred from being on realit/defend realitii instead of being on a scum partener that won't flip
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This post reminded me to check wagons. Possibility is that if you are town either I'm terribly wrong about des, apricity is a scary mafia player or one of the locktowned is not so locktowned
 
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