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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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This is true, However, due to a freeze almost certainly being a automatic ko, I think the two are somewhat comparable.
was about to build a Kommo-o team (probably my 100th one) when i noticed that its sets were updated, i knew special clangorous was a thing, but when did physical clangorous soul pop off?
Everyone has lost (and won) many more games due to a timely crit or full para or even flinch than freeze, but we are talking about freeze for some reason.
I don't think I've ever seen a physical Kommo-o that wasn't sub/drain punch. Special Bulletproof Kommo-o to me is super sick, especially on web teams. You can fish for a Court Change from Cinderace, and get a free Clanging Scales boost. Paired with throat spray, its super fun to set up.
We are likely at a (brief) standstill. There is not substantial support to act on much of anything at this moment. Gliscor did not get banned, but can be discussed in the distant future. Kyurem did not get banned, but can be discussed in the near future. Other Pokemon like Ogerpon-Wellspring (among others) can remain on our radar, but nothing stands out to a damning degree.
We will re-open topics on process oriented matters in the near future in all likelihood, but more on that will come.
I do expect further engagement in the near future (perhaps survey? perhaps prompting topics here? TBD), so stay tuned for that.
We will re-open topics on process oriented matters in the near future in all likelihood, but more on that will come.
I do expect further engagement in the near future (perhaps survey? perhaps prompting topics here? TBD), so stay tuned for that.
I mean, Kyurem is just hard to build with and always has been. It's a scary threat but it needs strong hazard control and help getting in on the field. Kyurem's always had less usage than it deserves because it's not as splashable as everything else. If you look at the mons above it, you get staples like the grounds, booster mons, Gambit, Zama, Oger, mons that are just way easier to slap on a team and do well with. Although I will say all the top mons rn are offense staples, which Kyurem doesn't do as amazing against. That might be keeping it down too.
when do you think the next survey will be released? It is hard to say what people want atm until we get concrete data imo
Really hope tera blast is the next suspect. The tier would benefit a lot from having Volc back and that move gone. Would also kill off physical DD kyurem, which is good to limit that mon.
I’d expect it to be early December.
My brother in christ knock off is literally moon's best move
Tera blast ranked as a concern as much as gliscor but not even on the radar at this time. Guard railed discussion is how it appears.
Just be honest has a directive come from Big Smogon to resist even a Tera Blast ban?
If you were to tell people in the thread to discuss X as broken the conversation would go there and they would likely be lead to supporting a X suspect. Tera Blast organically gets gliscor level support and its not worth discussing when there's never been a more clear time to look at it, if ever. Just tell us that BigSmogon doesn't want it and you don't think it's a big enough deal to fight against. Tell me that and I'll never bring it up again. I know there's some -resistance- to banning generational mechanic but does Tera blast fall under that umbrella?
Just be honest has a directive come from Big Smogon to resist even a Tera Blast ban?
If you were to tell people in the thread to discuss X as broken the conversation would go there and they would likely be lead to supporting a X suspect. Tera Blast organically gets gliscor level support and its not worth discussing when there's never been a more clear time to look at it, if ever. Just tell us that BigSmogon doesn't want it and you don't think it's a big enough deal to fight against. Tell me that and I'll never bring it up again. I know there's some -resistance- to banning generational mechanic but does Tera blast fall under that umbrella?
I may not personally want a tera blast ban but clearly there is much support for a suspect. I agree that if smogon is refusing they should at least tell us. It is crazy to me that they banned sleep without even giving it a chance (I am still disgusted they didn't even let us have a suspect that) and now they are doing the same with Tera blast on the opposite end of the spectrum. When does this injustice end?
From what the guy above is saying there is plenty of support for a Tera blast suspect so why would the survey prove that untrue?
Pecharunt is 100% rising to OU imo, it’s just that good and not that hard to fit on balance / BO teams imo. A T-Spikes absorber with Hex that win long term vs non tera Steel Zama, 1v1 utility Gliscor, Spread Poison easily, check Waterpon, non Psyshock Valiant, chipped Prim…
It’s insane how good its bulk is (bulkier physically than SKARMORY). Even while being useless usually vs steel mons without tera I’d say it‘s at least a top 25 mon in OU
It’s insane how good its bulk is (bulkier physically than SKARMORY). Even while being useless usually vs steel mons without tera I’d say it‘s at least a top 25 mon in OU
That was from the previous survey of OLT qualifers in which Tera Blast scored a 3.0. In any case, I'd bank on there not being enough support with how few mons commonly run Tera Blast with Tera Blast even becoming less common on some of its most common users since then.
You know what you are right that was last survey and there aren't as many tera blast abusers right now. However for one thing they acted on both kyurem and gliscor and Tera blast had a similar amount of support. And for another thing those few Tera blast abusers are some of the best pokemon in the tier (kingambit iron moth etc) so I don't think it is a stretch to say that we could get a similar amount of support as last survey. You do make some good points tho and I am sorry if my last post was a bit too harsh
I dunno why we should ban tera blast specifically, its not used in most teams and the main reason most of the people who want it banned want it banned because they are aware of the lack of support for a tera ban, with some of them even outright against the ban of such
Furthermore, when was the last time you saw tera blast itself tampering with the meta? emphasis on the itself part
Furthermore, when was the last time you saw tera blast itself tampering with the meta? emphasis on the itself part
Tera Blast is a contributing factor in Kyurem’s set variety which was a primary target of its second suspect. Banning it would make Kyurem even more manageable. This isn’t a Kyurem issue, because this also happened with Volcarona and is arguably making Iron Moth to deal with because of Tera Blast Ground.
Tera Blast is arguably uncompetitive because it exacerbates Tera’s ability to allow mons to win matchups that they otherwise wouldn’t, but it’s one thing to change your type and another to just flat out gain coverage that you wouldn’t have otherwise.
Why would Volc benefit the meta? Just seems annoying to me as another Flame Body user who will incentivize more Fire types in the meta which will incentivize more Grounds and as a result more Waters and... hmm. As I type this, I realize it might actually result in more metagame diversity.
I don't really understand the DD Kyurem thing though,
+1 252+ Atk Kyurem Scale Shot (5 hits) vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 350-420 (105.7 - 126.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
You mean special Kyurem?
a kyurem that cannot deal with steel types is a bad kyurem. there's a reason why you never saw physical kyurem variants last gen outside of the occasional sub + DD, the coverage provided by TB is the whole reason why physical DD is as good as it is
I mentioned physical DD Kyurem mainly in the context of a tera blast ban and not Volc, as it would no longer have physical coverage for Steels. Regarding special Kyurem, Volc would be the perfect SubTect Kyurem answer, with reliable recovery and breaking through sub with Bug Buzz. I think a Tera Blast ban and Volc unban would ease the concerns of those who thought Kyurem was broken. Also, Volc's defensive profile would help a lot with top tier threats such as Val, Ghold, Zama, Gambit, Kyurem, and discourage Rai/Bolt special spam stuff.