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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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Man wrote an essay complaining about Likeshop integrity of all thingsWhy don't we just.... have a survey/vote on the next suspect.... then just do that.
This splintered community isn't going to kumbaya around a campfire holding hands and pool together an obscene amount of resources to have a suspect. When you factor in the rewards for cashing in points for yourself, the thought of potentially wasting them all if the suspect like threshold isn't reached is just another road block towards getting this done.
The Likeshop is cute but lacks transparency and relies on a "just trust me bro" system when it comes to gambling and mystery boxes, but funny enough I do trust bro lol so it's fine actually.
The suspect idea is cool but the execution of the idea is off. If we don't want to have a standard survey and want to try out this "spending likes" thing there are better ways to do it. There could be a separate thread where players can spend their likes on a list of predetermined suspect choices and we go from there. This wouldn't affect spending likes for yourself in the shop. There's definitely something cool here but needs a little work. I appreciate the novel approach to tiering and the community interaction but this needs to be polished a bit more for it to work properly. At least a little bit of structure would be helpful.
Has anyone even done the math on this? 500,000? What does the average user have, like 3k? We can even steel-man this argument and say the average person has 10,000 reaction score (they don't) that's 50 people cashing in all their points- all agreeing on the same suspect, forgoing the cool rewards for cashing in for themselves, and praying 49 other people do the same... Can we tighten this up please dude.
It’s incredibly possible to get to 500k likes if people were remotely together and tactical about it. If you spend your time being lame like this, then obviously it’ll be over before it begins.
I’ve invested all my money into a Dondozo suspect test.
Same with shit like this. You cannot say a potential retest of Palafin or test of Tera Blast wouldn’t be a big metagame mover. And the possibility clearly isn’t remote if you just do a little math into how many active users are on the site.
The link you attached doesn't work for me but I'm all in for cashing in for a tera blast suspect if that's what it takes
No one’s even contributed to the 500k yet lmao…
everyone with half a braincell
We have had multiple people do so already.
This thread gonna be just like farming right kekw
Is there a live feed of all the contributions, so we can see how many likes is currently on the suspect test one?
I’m sure there will be a tally as things come in — I can personally make one later.
This likeshop will be interesting if people can do a "shared fund" or some economic war shit like how in that one Minecraft series called "Hermitcraft" a people made an alliance to make the tallest diamond tower by connecting the one at the bottom of the world and the one on top of the world (because Australia).
EDIT: allian < alliance
EDIT: allian < alliance
Suspect
I mean banning terapagos's is what should've been done tbh
Wouldn’t the tally go under the pending transactions or whatever
You can do that. Because no one on this site has 500K reaction score except for maybe Chaos lol
Btw, y'all are talking abt some weird suspect, but even if some of them are humour, don't forget it'l be at most a suspect, and not a ban, so now you'll have to get reqs and enough Ban voters so use ur money carefully ? Can i get likes for this also please
I disagree on your take on Kingambit. Although it's certainly powerful, using it effectively in endgame requires you to play the rest of the game skillfully and without using Tera on another mon. Being in a situation where a game comes down to a Kingambit 50/50 means that either your team wasn't sufficiently equipped to handle Kingambit or you simply got outplayed. Gambit's non-Sucker moves lack priority, obviously, and it's incredibly slow. This means that offensive counterplay is prevalent, as Gambit is not so powerful that it can KO dark resists with Sucker unless they're already incredibly chipped. Defensively countering it is also, although admittedly not particularly easy, quite possible, with Dondozo handling most sets (although admittedly only really fitting on stall) and combos of other solid defensive mons being able to take it on as well. Sure, Kingambit can clean up if its counters are all gone, but that applies to basically every offensive threat in the metagame, and without its counters gone Gambit can't really sweep, unlike mons like Moon which can blast past both offensive and defensive checks alike if they're allowed to setup.
I also disagree with Gliscor being unhealthy. It provides a unique combination of absorbing Knock Off and passive recovery that nothing else can provide to stall in a generation where stall generally struggles to be viable, while also providing good utility to other types of teams. In my opinion, Waterpon is more unhealthy than both Gambit and Gliscor, as there is exactly one mon that defensively checks all sets (Amoongus) and it gets 2HKOd by +2 Tera Water Ivy Cudgel. Unlike other insane stallbreakers like Ursaluna and Hoopa-Unbound, however, Waterpon is fast enough to also work well into more offensive teams.
Better players than me have already made all of these points, but I figured I'd say it since the Likeshop thing is incentivising me to be more active on forums.
Ah. I see now why Finch said this was going to be gamble. Could turn out to be a great community activity, but there are many, many ways it could go wrong.
Anyway, I'm throwing my lot in with a Tera Blast suspect as it's difficult to get off the ground due to policy stuff while also being a nice QoL change to prevent 'mons from having coverage they shouldn't have access to like Tera Elec Kyurem being able to gun down Corviknight.
The less sensible part of me wants a Rage Fist ban so I can play with Annihilape guilt-free.
Anyway, I'm throwing my lot in with a Tera Blast suspect as it's difficult to get off the ground due to policy stuff while also being a nice QoL change to prevent 'mons from having coverage they shouldn't have access to like Tera Elec Kyurem being able to gun down Corviknight.
I wouldn't advertise that this is a lot of reading for you king- average reading time for a few sentences is about 20 seconds lol
I had a throwaway line about something funny I noticed about the Likeshop then immediately followed it up with a "but it's fine." Though, I understand why someone in their feelings would cherry pick this one line because the rest is just obvious shit that clearly wasn't thought out.
500,000 is simply too much, the math isn't there. People aren't remotely together, and it's not their job to be tactical, it's leadership's burden. This goofy attempt at tiering isn't going to work. Roll your sleeves up and try a bit harder my man, don't shoot the messenger lmao
So the thing that was going to put OU in a frenzy is the very real possibility of doing a random suspect test? With all due respect, this is disappointing and lame.
If tera blast has enough traction to get a ban, it should show up in the surveys and eventually be tested. As for the rest, if crazy stuff is tested like Solgaleo, Lugia, Chi-Yu, or Moltres or Dozo on the other side, it's not going to happen anyway. Happy for whoever is excited, but I can't be arsed with this.
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main issue i have is that this is just for a suspect right? the community is still divided on things, so the actual votes may still be a lot of 45 55%s DNB outcomes, especially for the wilder options like dropping legendaries or banning pokemon that arent on the spotlight rn. feels like the only thing that'll have a chance to be a real suspect is tera blast, and then maybe stuff like kyurem (again lol), kingambit, hamurott etc. but we already were walking towards a tera blast suspect, so I think the final result is more likely to be dissapointing than whatnot
Man I be getting overstimulated and it's nighttime rn over here so good night and I bid you adieu
you do realize that the likeshop is supposed to be for fun, right? And not complaining that an ultimate reward is 500000 likes?
Nah, it has to be collective
They don’t need to be together. It’s a collective like total. Then, people who contribute will decide.
It’s supposed to be high. Tiering is pretty serious and letting the community decide comes with substantial risk for the hobby of thousands of people.
This has never been done before and is an awesome, unique opportunity. Not really my fault your attitude is perpetually negative.