The replay I posted was obviously meant to be taken in jest; but my honest opinion of pala is still DNB. I do think it has multiple viable checks and counters through the tier, both offensively and defensively. Sure setup sets can run away with the game under the correct circumstances, but the same can be said for gambit, val, rbolt, pon, rmoon or dnite. (also the clod is not even wabsorb)bro plays toxapex clodsire pecharunt and thinks its replay is a proof ; that's the main problem with people who thinks that they have no problem with that pokemon and then its fine
I've played "real" (more conventional) teams a lot too and I haven't faced any particular trouble with pala. I guess I'll have time to think about it more when I go for my reqs run though, I haven't played too much lately because of holiday shopping and preparations.
average smogon user literacy
the entire rest of this nonsense aside, how would someone even match up against someone they're specifically looking for on 1200s ladder? the odds of that are astronomical
Basically everything with upper hand except Mew (dogass shit) resists Dark already so what's even the point lmao
Iron crown is viable
moltres has been ou for months, pecharunt and araquanid might follow suit in january, meow is inexplicably still here???, gouging fire got suspected again and was absolutely fucking obliterated, kyurem was banned and then unbanned two weeks later, and a bunch of people donated half a million forum likes to retest palafin
Incredible summary. This is why Father Buzzwole is the Santa Claus of the OU Discussion Thread. Thank you Father for all you have given.
It is allowed regardless, but it's funnier to pretend that it isn't and that I'm allowing it because of Christmas. The real sin here is that you double posted.
double posting is like double dipping except it's not dip and it's a toilet in a public restroom labeled "OU discussion thread" and the fries you're dipping are god awful smogon takes
Ive had worse fries before, Smogcrisps ain't that bad all things being equal.
see this is why i don't dip my fries at all. you never know when they might come back covered in angry reacts, and those things can burn your tongue something awful
Seraphyde is the ranch dip of the metagame thread. I will not elaborate
Reminds me of Heston Blumethal's triple fried potatoes. Crispiest take ever.
thanks man. its now time to cook up some forbidden OU sauce
I don’t think Palafin is blatantly broken, it definitely has its weaknesses. It would be so funny if it ended up staying though, after months of “no uber drop discussion pls” (which I understand, I don’t think people could have anticipated Palafin would as ok as it is).
Sure, but it requires multiple checks per team. The only reason right now Palafin feels balanced at all is because everyone is hyper-over prepping for it and it usually match-up poorly into two to three pokemon on the other team in the average match-up. If the pokemon is strong enough that it needs that type of prep (see Fish and Seismitoad from gen 8 OU) in order to be considered balanced, especially if it requires counterplay that is unviable compared to the rest of OUs current metagame, proves how warping the pokemon is for the tier.
Releasing something into OU with the backup plan of "we'll just QB it if its' too broken" seems like a faulty premise to me--why even bother with the suspect instead of just quick-unbanning at all if we're gonna hold our hands crossed behind our back with Council QB vote ready to "Et Tu Brute" Palafin if it is too warping?
So a few points that I think warrant clarification or elaboration.
The issue was that discussing Uber drops was not prompted and tended to go cyclically since everyone was proposing a handful of Ubers simultaneously. The Likeshop Suspect is more focused in by virtue of having to get a group to cooperate and choose one subject, which is the center of any unban talk than bouncing between Palafin, Lugia, Giratina-A, Solgaleo, and the occasional curveball/troll post like Dialga-for-some-reason. Nothing is contradictory given the Palafin talk, whether it's OU safe or not, has been ON Palafin and elaborating instead of "no talk about mine" as was usually the shut-down conversations.
First thing to say: Testing Palafin is specifically because it's not BLATANTLY too strong and Meta Warping, with the point of a Suspect test being to determine if it is at all (vs something like Flutter Mane or Chien-Pao). And while I have my hang ups with the "necessary" terminology used, the Suspect test itself is being conducted legitimately and several of the pledgers for it were active/qualified players or members of the Council, so it's not like this is coming from Low Ladder Memelords pushing and out-of-season April Fools test.
I already mentioned above how the Suspect Test was primarily "funded" by players who clearly know their stuff, and as the name entails, it's a Test. Assuming bad faith on its intent is also bizarre because even set up to fail, the only mon it shuts down discussion of is Palafin, as opposed to the handful of other Ubers who (stronger or not) have very different playstyles and thus can't be directly compared against Fin's result.
The 50%+1 Tiering Policy has a clear logic to it, given Palafin was banned quickly and from a completely different Metagame than currently played (almost nothing that is mentioned as a Check existed before DLC). Gliscor was tested and banned in DLC1, then dropped and given substantial time to be played in DLC 2 before the 2nd test which it survived as DNB. The rules were outlined and the circumstances of all involved tests and bans were very different situations and environments.
Considering how awful is the current metagame, people should ask for BANNING mons instead of unbanning others, which will create even more problems. Using that 50% +1 policy is controversial considering the previous suspects results that were aberrants, its quite a random and "unprobable" situation yes, but having 2 unhealthy mons that have avoided ban due to a lil % < 60% and then purposing an unban with >50% +1 is a bit controversial, even if its an unprobable situation. I can completely understand how angry are some people rn, its fair.
Yes, I can agree with this, considering almost a third of the fund came directly from OU council.
I'm not saying there's some grand conspiracy, I just don't really think this particular suspect was made in good faith--what or why is beyond me. Its' not like my perspective is any better (I've got this nice I Could Be Banned!!! tag that basically tells everyone to ignore/insult me in threads so that should have been obvious lmao) so I'm just raising potential concerns I have.
It has clear logic, yes, but its' also a divergence to prior testing, and divergences like that should be explicitly discussed for a lot longer than what was. Again though, I'm not on Council, so its' possible this has been being talked about for a lot longer than any of us are aware of.
Its' this. It's not even that 50% + 1 is even that problematic (I'd prefer all suspects use that personally), but it just leaves (like I said in my OP) a gross taste in my mouth. Something feels off about the whole suspect process.
my friend, it's been a thing for over four years. this thread was publicly accessible to anyone at any time, and it was even linked in the op for the suspect. it just doesn't come up very often because of how rare retests from quickbans are.
It's not as though people haven't been doing this? However, community sentiment hadn't reached enough to properly ban Kyurem or Gliscor from the tier, and to be frank I simply do not think the support is there for other things in the tier like Kingambit, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Roaring Moon, Gholdengo, Raging Bolt, or Zamazenta to be banned via suspect at this time. The only thing that could maybe, and I mean maybe, garner enough community support at this time to be banned at all, is Tera Blast, in my opinion. However, this is just a test to drop a mon that people bring up a lot as being potentially balanced, and if it turns out to be broken, maybe people won't talk about it anymore. That's all there is to it.
