The Roaring Moon suspect test seems to be taking a while. It's making me worried, and the suspense is killing me! I thought most people believed it to be a fine presence in the format.
(Please free Moon)
(Please free Moon)
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Same here. The vast majority of posts I saw were people wanting to free it rather than ban it. 60% is still tough to reach, and hopefully moon stays in the tier.
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Legit worst timeline rn. an unspeakable beast was unleashed on the tier for no reason at all but the swag of the mon, and by the looks of it Draga isn't getting Bannd either.
This fish.
It
is
MID.
It's got funny Calcs, sure, but So does our grand Tier Staple Hoopa U.
Cut the Yapping, u-turn this, 60 def that, I know. this aint about the One-Piece ahh minmaxed horror.
Chi-yu.
First of all I want NO +2 252+ Chi-Yu Overheat VS Blissey in SUN Calc. if you run Stall and complainn about stallbreakers idk what to make of you.
Chi-yu without Tera is a Complete Joke. Chi-Yu is What Blaceohalon wishes it was. first of all Chi-Yu is either Slow or Demolished By hazards, you can't hold Scarf and boots in one slot sorry My little Ichthyophobic pookie. First of all Yiu're Likely not Slotting the fish in sun: You got Better speed cintrol options, you got one excellent Fire Breaker already, and having Yet another hazard-weak mon in a playstyle that like sun to be up and hazards to be off, I think it is unrealistic enough that you also put in your little scary LO NP Modest Overheat Lava fish. Besides, Yes, Chi-yu gets good calcs, but it's also getting Clapped by the entire world Becaus it's frail, it's slow, and needs Nasty plot to scare Defensive mons, while needing scarf to do 70% to offensive mons.
What would Chi-Yu bring to the tier?
a nasty plotter, a stall breaker that's barely menacing to HO, as No yu in existence has ever threatened a Mdia lead, a full-health DD Dnite, oor even that good old Samurott-Hisui.
A Somewhat Reliable Pokémon that threatens Ferro Yet doesn't insta Switch at the sight of a Pex.
A strong Hitter for Balance that doesn't take up a Mega slot, but gets the work done.
How On earth and below is Chi-Yu ANY balanced?
We just addedSatan another mon that Blanket walls yu, Yu is slow, Yu doesn't get OHKOs Like it'd want in a no-Tera meta, Yu's best tool is Dark pulse flinch, and if it was any reliable, Iron Jugulis would Dominate the tier rn (LMAO)
Yu gets clapped by pretty much every Speed control options we've ever had in the tier
Yu Hardly ever switches in if it's not from the very exploitable Pivots in the tier, Between Glowking giving The freest turns to steel types, Mola Exploding when the opponent uses sub, encore, or is immune to flip turn, Corv being the most exploitable mon in current meta, barely ever getting work done
LMAO what is a Chi-yu I wanted to load Mtar today
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta: 238-282 (73.2 - 86.7%) what a shame really
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 136+ SpD Moltres: 160-190 (41.7 - 49.6%) Treat yourself
our best friend Satan RMoon wanted to say Hello world and Fuck Chi-yu lmao
Homie Hamurott Got the "fuck Chi-yu" VIP pass
Terap is still not getting OHKO'd
You still got the
yu Got more counterplay than Rmoon lmao
How tf u Pivot around yu since it's so weak to hazards???
(Legends say it has flip turn)
it's not THAT hard to lock a yu into Flamethrowering, and it doesn't even kill with Dark pulse if somehow u get the predic wrong
Anyways I hope You have your +2 252+ Spa Life Orb Chi-yu In Sun Ready in y'all's Damage Calcs And Discuss (or Haha react if ur lazy purist self can't manage to read a post because you're too Ichtyophobic)
Respectfully, it's almost 2 am
This fish.
It
is
MID.
It's got funny Calcs, sure, but So does our grand Tier Staple Hoopa U.
Cut the Yapping, u-turn this, 60 def that, I know. this aint about the One-Piece ahh minmaxed horror.
Chi-yu.
First of all I want NO +2 252+ Chi-Yu Overheat VS Blissey in SUN Calc. if you run Stall and complainn about stallbreakers idk what to make of you.
Chi-yu without Tera is a Complete Joke. Chi-Yu is What Blaceohalon wishes it was. first of all Chi-Yu is either Slow or Demolished By hazards, you can't hold Scarf and boots in one slot sorry My little Ichthyophobic pookie. First of all Yiu're Likely not Slotting the fish in sun: You got Better speed cintrol options, you got one excellent Fire Breaker already, and having Yet another hazard-weak mon in a playstyle that like sun to be up and hazards to be off, I think it is unrealistic enough that you also put in your little scary LO NP Modest Overheat Lava fish. Besides, Yes, Chi-yu gets good calcs, but it's also getting Clapped by the entire world Becaus it's frail, it's slow, and needs Nasty plot to scare Defensive mons, while needing scarf to do 70% to offensive mons.
What would Chi-Yu bring to the tier?
a nasty plotter, a stall breaker that's barely menacing to HO, as No yu in existence has ever threatened a Mdia lead, a full-health DD Dnite, oor even that good old Samurott-Hisui.
A Somewhat Reliable Pokémon that threatens Ferro Yet doesn't insta Switch at the sight of a Pex.
A strong Hitter for Balance that doesn't take up a Mega slot, but gets the work done.
How On earth and below is Chi-Yu ANY balanced?
We just added
Yu gets clapped by pretty much every Speed control options we've ever had in the tier
Yu Hardly ever switches in if it's not from the very exploitable Pivots in the tier, Between Glowking giving The freest turns to steel types, Mola Exploding when the opponent uses sub, encore, or is immune to flip turn, Corv being the most exploitable mon in current meta, barely ever getting work done
LMAO what is a Chi-yu I wanted to load Mtar today
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta: 238-282 (73.2 - 86.7%) what a shame really
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 136+ SpD Moltres: 160-190 (41.7 - 49.6%) Treat yourself
Homie Hamurott Got the "fuck Chi-yu" VIP pass
Terap is still not getting OHKO'd
You still got the
yep They 're here and Walling little fish
yu Got more counterplay than Rmoon lmao
How tf u Pivot around yu since it's so weak to hazards???
(Legends say it has flip turn) it's not THAT hard to lock a yu into Flamethrowering, and it doesn't even kill with Dark pulse if somehow u get the predic wrong Anyways I hope You have your +2 252+ Spa Life Orb Chi-yu In Sun Ready in y'all's Damage Calcs And Discuss (or Haha react if ur lazy purist self can't manage to read a post because you're too Ichtyophobic)
Respectfully, it's almost 2 am
granted its almost 3am here but it does help that chi yu can annihilate all of the key threats in 9nd rn sans ting lu with n plot + 3a. sure it gets outsped and rko’d but 55/120 special bulk is better you think. cant run calcs bc its 3am but this shit nasty fucked up and sun specs only makes it way more fucked up
also dude calm the fuck down its just rmoon lmao
also dude calm the fuck down its just rmoon lmao
im just gonna say flat out, no. There's like three actually relevant mons that switch-in to modest scarf alone, and in sun there's even less. If megazard can be A tier in this meta then there's no way it's hazard weakness is truly gonna hold it back. Our hazard control is definitely enough to facilitate the evil fish to nuke 95% of the tier. Speaking of, we have an A tier sun setter in the tier and sun is an incredibly consistent playstyle that just got a brand new tool. It does not need a buff and definitely doesn't need something as insane as chi-yu. Also acting like Chi-yu would be good on balance doesn't work when chi-yu as a pokemon almost single-handedly invalidates basically all balance teams besides a couple select ones. Another thing is that chi-yu's "checks"(using that very loosely here) tend to also share a hazard weakness. That's not good when you're basically the only thing keeping chi-yu from blowing past everything else on your team. I'm not even gonna mention specs here since i think its pretty obvious why thats broken.Legit worst timeline rn. an unspeakable beast was unleashed on the tier for no reason at all but the swag of the mon, and by the looks of it Draga isn't getting Bannd either.
This fish.
It
is
MID.
It's got funny Calcs, sure, but So does our grand Tier Staple Hoopa U.
Cut the Yapping, u-turn this, 60 def that, I know. this aint about the One-Piece ahh minmaxed horror.
Chi-yu.
First of all I want NO +2 252+ Chi-Yu Overheat VS Blissey in SUN Calc. if you run Stall and complainn about stallbreakers idk what to make of you.
Chi-yu without Tera is a Complete Joke. Chi-Yu is What Blaceohalon wishes it was. first of all Chi-Yu is either Slow or Demolished By hazards, you can't hold Scarf and boots in one slot sorry My little Ichthyophobic pookie. First of all Yiu're Likely not Slotting the fish in sun: You got Better speed cintrol options, you got one excellent Fire Breaker already, and having Yet another hazard-weak mon in a playstyle that like sun to be up and hazards to be off, I think it is unrealistic enough that you also put in your little scary LO NP Modest Overheat Lava fish. Besides, Yes, Chi-yu gets good calcs, but it's also getting Clapped by the entire world Becaus it's frail, it's slow, and needs Nasty plot to scare Defensive mons, while needing scarf to do 70% to offensive mons.
What would Chi-Yu bring to the tier?
a nasty plotter, a stall breaker that's barely menacing to HO, as No yu in existence has ever threatened a Mdia lead, a full-health DD Dnite, oor even that good old Samurott-Hisui.
A Somewhat Reliable Pokémon that threatens Ferro Yet doesn't insta Switch at the sight of a Pex.
A strong Hitter for Balance that doesn't take up a Mega slot, but gets the work done.
How On earth and below is Chi-Yu ANY balanced?
We just addedSatananother mon that Blanket walls yu, Yu is slow, Yu doesn't get OHKOs Like it'd want in a no-Tera meta, Yu's best tool is Dark pulse flinch, and if it was any reliable, Iron Jugulis would Dominate the tier rn (LMAO)
Yu gets clapped by pretty much every Speed control options we've ever had in the tier
Yu Hardly ever switches in if it's not from the very exploitable Pivots in the tier, Between Glowking giving The freest turns to steel types, Mola Exploding when the opponent uses sub, encore, or is immune to flip turn, Corv being the most exploitable mon in current meta, barely ever getting work done
LMAO what is a Chi-yu I wanted to load Mtar today
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta: 238-282 (73.2 - 86.7%) what a shame really
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 136+ SpD Moltres: 160-190 (41.7 - 49.6%) Treat yourself
our best friend SatanRMoon wanted to say Hello world and Fuck Chi-yu lmao
Homie Hamurott Got the "fuck Chi-yu" VIP pass
Terap is still not getting OHKO'd
You still got the
yep They 're here and Walling little fish
yu Got more counterplay than Rmoon lmao
How tf u Pivot around yu since it's so weak to hazards???
Anyways I hope You have your +2 252+ Spa Life Orb Chi-yu In Sun Ready in y'all's Damage Calcs And Discuss (or Haha react if ur lazy purist self can't manage to read a post because you're too Ichtyophobic)
Respectfully, it's almost 2 am
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dude will you give it a fucking restLegit worst timeline rn. an unspeakable beast was unleashed on the tier for no reason at all but the swag of the mon, and by the looks of it Draga isn't getting Bannd either.
This fish.
It
is
MID.
nobody actually takes unban posts seriously. for months you’ve been cluttering the forums with “unban x legendary that is very clearly broken but aren’t good in ubers” and keep on arguing with multiple posts. it wouldn’t even been that annoying if you weren’t so damn persistent about your posts, making dozens of replies to people who are feeding into your bait posts to argue a point that never actually gains any traction
not a single one of your unban posts have gotten them considered to be suspected. you’re very clearly farming reacts at this point
cut that shit out
I am not calming down with Moon bc this mon is forcing specific mons on archetypes that'd work without them just so they can pray rmoon is not running that one Z crystal that nukes them.
erm actually Chiyu has a niche in NDU so it's not a Uber shitmon. You'd rather unban the mon that's the easiest ever to rkill than the mon that cannot be outsped so like ??? Besides I have VERY clearly given Counters, like go on you can read my message. Always goes like that bruh, Someone js sees the post's big image and goes on a rant that it's insane et al et al like stay zen bro I think that having to run clef and Skarm to deal with Moon is more absurd than running Mtar or Molt to not get hunt down by Chi-Yu
Says Moon is broken, immediately says to unban Chi-Yu.
Idk what to even say to this. Scarf with modest out speeds faster mons that can revenge kill it, while barely losing any power. You could run specs to nuke defensive teams. Nasty plot with boots or life orb is an insane sweeper. Charcoal on sun is a nightmare and OHKOs resists with eases. This thing does insane damage inside of or outside of sun and has a (usable) set to deal with which ever flaws of it’s you wanna negate.
And even being hazard weak, you can just put it on a team with good hazards support. And if that doesn’t do it for you, run boots. You’ll still be fast enough as you do have 100 base speed. You don’t need to out speed offensive threats, you need to break defensive ones. And 100 base speed is more than enough for that.
Also you’re worried about Moon, the Sun abuser, so you suggest Chi-Yu, the better sun abuser, as a non to unban? This amazes me. I’m truely baffled. This has to be bait. Chi-Yu isn’t like Palafin where you see how banded wave crash in rain two shots Dozo, and it doesn’t matter as that’s not a common Palafin set. The crazy Chi-Yu calcs are real sets. Specs modest Chi-Yu is a set you could actually see and wouldn’t be insanely surprising. Chi-Yu is in no way fine for Ou. Wait until at least Gen 12 to suggest it’s drop.
"interesting metagame" My brother in christ this is about to become ORAS OU
Fellas can we chill with the unbans for a minute here? 
The meta's very playable and interesting post-Tera yet I never see anyone praising it for how good it is right now, only calling for more borderline brazy shit to be pulled down (except for Espathra which would actually be a B- mon at best and thus should be unbanned on principle but NOT GETTING INTO THAT) instead of focusing on progressing the current meta. Maybe its cause none of the tournament players really bother to post in here (which, given most pages being Kinak schizoposting about Moon... fair, but would appreciate more qualified discussion) is why I get that impression but still it feels a bit sad cause NDOU is actually a good tier now and I'd rather not see that messed with too much. Not only that, its a good tier that should have its current mons discussed to see if they need action done on them to potentially improve said good tier (like more discussion on Pult for example). I think that'd be more valuable atm is all.
The meta's very playable and interesting post-Tera yet I never see anyone praising it for how good it is right now, only calling for more borderline brazy shit to be pulled down (except for Espathra which would actually be a B- mon at best and thus should be unbanned on principle but NOT GETTING INTO THAT) instead of focusing on progressing the current meta. Maybe its cause none of the tournament players really bother to post in here (which, given most pages being Kinak schizoposting about Moon... fair, but would appreciate more qualified discussion) is why I get that impression but still it feels a bit sad cause NDOU is actually a good tier now and I'd rather not see that messed with too much. Not only that, its a good tier that should have its current mons discussed to see if they need action done on them to potentially improve said good tier (like more discussion on Pult for example). I think that'd be more valuable atm is all.
Oras OU is a good format with a variety of viable options/playstyles where nothing is too overbearing. I’m not quite sure what this post is insinuating seeing also there are so many new things past gen 6 that is here as well.
ORAS OU is a perfectly fine metagame with archetype diversity. I doubt you’ve ever seen it on the builder, let alone played it. Honestly at this point your posts have gotten so bad that if I was a mod, I would seriously consider banning you from this thread (like the threads you have been banned from in the past).
Palafin feels like the next suspect to me. It’s got good common checks, has 4MSS as it wants, CC, Zen Headbut, and Ice Punch on a set up set.
Personally I wanna wait a month or so as the meta right now is great.
i’m not talking about just this post. i’m talking generally. take the tin foil hat off and stop pretending people are only telling you you’re wrong because it’s a big “png post so it must be wrong”.
you’ve become more infamous for your rants and forum posts being batshit insane, rather than you legitimately have points. your “very clear counters” you’ve given are VERY CLEARLY BULLSHIT because none of the mons you’ve argued for haven’t been sussed. not genesect, not urshifu single strike, and it certainly will not be chi yu
again, the other issue is the fact that you’re cluttering the forums. you keep submitting big ass posts, you keep responding to people for DAYS to try to double down on your argument despite MULTIPLE. people telling you you’re wrong.
once again, cut that shit out. you’re embarrassing yourself. just because you cheesed 2 wins against our retired tier leader doesn’t make you the most informed national dex user. when multiple ppl tell you you’re wrong, you’re wrong.
This is legit the only Thread I've been banned from in the past from whom I am not still banned. Wai no there's also CG OU Meta Discussion
It's Boring to watch, annoying ass ladder to play, never went above 30 Games bc it was so Boring. I appreciate the fact that you like 130 turn games at 1600 elo, I dont
anyways, I don't plan to touch to the tier before the Draga sus, there is a sheer lack of enjoyment in Laddering with Satan around, enjoy spamming Clef Hstack or whatever, Bye, Spam Overqwil Rain if anything.
Yay, The Roaring Knight Moon is free! I can't wait to see all the comments about how awesome (or tragic, the wrong answer) this is for the-
Oh.
"Chi-Yu is balanced-"
I was hoping this was satire at its finest form, but I guess it isn't. So I have to write an obligatory response post. Chi-Yu is like Blacephalon but with Nasty Plot, a resistance to one of the most common priority options in the game, solid defenses, and an ability that functions as a budget Choice Specs. Now if that doesn't terrify you then I have no idea what will. You said it yourself, it's a Blacephalon but better and Blacephalon is already good. Pretty much any viable set turns defensive teams into a well-done pile of singed ash. We also have one of the best Sun Setters in Pokemon History dwelling in this format. Do I really have to elaborate on that one?
Your "defensive walls" get heavily wounded by the common Nasty Plot set, and Specs only needs to catch them once or twice before Overheat becomes lethal.
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 161-189 (46.8 - 54.9%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 177-209 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 174-205 (50.5 - 59.5%) -- 83.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Primarina: 94-111 (25.8 - 30.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
(Literally the most biased calc ever, and Chi-Yu only needs to hit Primarina a few times, not including hazards)
These calcs are being very very generous with Chi-Yu's options. I'm not including any other variables like a potential Fire Z, Sun, hazards, etc. So like, have fun getting your so called checks singed by this fish from Hell.
"Something something Samurott destroys Chi-Yu"
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 339-399 (105.6 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Huh, something isn't adding up here. I thought that a counter is supposed to defeat the opponent, not the other way around!
I'm getting kinda sick of all these "Unban X, Unban Y" posts on pretty broken Pokemon. Can we talk about unbanning something reasonable? I'd much rather talk about something that makes me question my judgment on a Pokemon rather than just find the funniest and most fitting Deltarune image that I have saved on my PC and criticize the many things that are wrong with one of these posts. (Well, I do like getting a chance to use funny Deltarune images)
Legit worst timeline rn. an unspeakable beast was unleashed on the tier for no reason at all but the swag of the mon, and by the looks of it Draga isn't getting Bannd either.
This fish.
It
is
MID.
It's got funny Calcs, sure, but So does our grand Tier Staple Hoopa U.
Cut the Yapping, u-turn this, 60 def that, I know. this aint about the One-Piece ahh minmaxed horror.
Chi-yu.
First of all I want NO +2 252+ Chi-Yu Overheat VS Blissey in SUN Calc. if you run Stall and complainn about stallbreakers idk what to make of you.
Chi-yu without Tera is a Complete Joke. Chi-Yu is What Blaceohalon wishes it was. first of all Chi-Yu is either Slow or Demolished By hazards, you can't hold Scarf and boots in one slot sorry My little Ichthyophobic pookie. First of all Yiu're Likely not Slotting the fish in sun: You got Better speed cintrol options, you got one excellent Fire Breaker already, and having Yet another hazard-weak mon in a playstyle that like sun to be up and hazards to be off, I think it is unrealistic enough that you also put in your little scary LO NP Modest Overheat Lava fish. Besides, Yes, Chi-yu gets good calcs, but it's also getting Clapped by the entire world Becaus it's frail, it's slow, and needs Nasty plot to scare Defensive mons, while needing scarf to do 70% to offensive mons.
What would Chi-Yu bring to the tier?
a nasty plotter, a stall breaker that's barely menacing to HO, as No yu in existence has ever threatened a Mdia lead, a full-health DD Dnite, oor even that good old Samurott-Hisui.
A Somewhat Reliable Pokémon that threatens Ferro Yet doesn't insta Switch at the sight of a Pex.
A strong Hitter for Balance that doesn't take up a Mega slot, but gets the work done.
How On earth and below is Chi-Yu ANY balanced?
We just addedSatananother mon that Blanket walls yu, Yu is slow, Yu doesn't get OHKOs Like it'd want in a no-Tera meta, Yu's best tool is Dark pulse flinch, and if it was any reliable, Iron Jugulis would Dominate the tier rn (LMAO)
Yu gets clapped by pretty much every Speed control options we've ever had in the tier
Yu Hardly ever switches in if it's not from the very exploitable Pivots in the tier, Between Glowking giving The freest turns to steel types, Mola Exploding when the opponent uses sub, encore, or is immune to flip turn, Corv being the most exploitable mon in current meta, barely ever getting work done
LMAO what is a Chi-yu I wanted to load Mtar today
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta: 238-282 (73.2 - 86.7%) what a shame really
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 136+ SpD Moltres: 160-190 (41.7 - 49.6%) Treat yourself
our best friend SatanRMoon wanted to say Hello world and Fuck Chi-yu lmao
Homie Hamurott Got the "fuck Chi-yu" VIP pass
Terap is still not getting OHKO'd
You still got the
yep They 're here and Walling little fish
yu Got more counterplay than Rmoon lmao
How tf u Pivot around yu since it's so weak to hazards???
Anyways I hope You have your +2 252+ Spa Life Orb Chi-yu In Sun Ready in y'all's Damage Calcs And Discuss (or Haha react if ur lazy purist self can't manage to read a post because you're too Ichtyophobic)
Respectfully, it's almost 2 am
Oh.
"Chi-Yu is balanced-"
I was hoping this was satire at its finest form, but I guess it isn't. So I have to write an obligatory response post. Chi-Yu is like Blacephalon but with Nasty Plot, a resistance to one of the most common priority options in the game, solid defenses, and an ability that functions as a budget Choice Specs. Now if that doesn't terrify you then I have no idea what will. You said it yourself, it's a Blacephalon but better and Blacephalon is already good. Pretty much any viable set turns defensive teams into a well-done pile of singed ash. We also have one of the best Sun Setters in Pokemon History dwelling in this format. Do I really have to elaborate on that one?
Your "defensive walls" get heavily wounded by the common Nasty Plot set, and Specs only needs to catch them once or twice before Overheat becomes lethal.
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 161-189 (46.8 - 54.9%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 177-209 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 174-205 (50.5 - 59.5%) -- 83.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Primarina: 94-111 (25.8 - 30.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
(Literally the most biased calc ever, and Chi-Yu only needs to hit Primarina a few times, not including hazards)
These calcs are being very very generous with Chi-Yu's options. I'm not including any other variables like a potential Fire Z, Sun, hazards, etc. So like, have fun getting your so called checks singed by this fish from Hell.
"Something something Samurott destroys Chi-Yu"
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 339-399 (105.6 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Huh, something isn't adding up here. I thought that a counter is supposed to defeat the opponent, not the other way around!
I'm getting kinda sick of all these "Unban X, Unban Y" posts on pretty broken Pokemon. Can we talk about unbanning something reasonable? I'd much rather talk about something that makes me question my judgment on a Pokemon rather than just find the funniest and most fitting Deltarune image that I have saved on my PC and criticize the many things that are wrong with one of these posts. (Well, I do like getting a chance to use funny Deltarune images)
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. -6 0 HP / 0 SpD Sunkern in Sun: 146-65018 (72.6 - 32347.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Can't even OHKO Sunkern? Chi-Yu for PU
Can't even OHKO Sunkern? Chi-Yu for PU
As someone who occasionally ladders on such a fun metagame pre-tera and post-tera ban, I would like to address one issue.
I can see how before the ban it was a predominant threat. DD sets, Tera Flying Booster sets, Band Sun sets. This thing was the fore front of the majority of each builder specifically I believe people ran Garganacle to be one of like 4 or 5 different mons to make sure there was some leverage against a mon that practically towered over the tier.
now that tera is banned its different.
I expect to see the same usage that NDM currently has with Moon with scarf sets, band sets, considerably more booster sets. Without Tera Flying involved, I dont think acrobatics would inevitably be an issue first hand as there are many better ways to now counter a mon that snowballed teams from low to high ladder.
THIS is going to be a staple considering Moon is now running around. So expect more sun oriented teams on the high/mid/low ladder area as it is dummy broken to fight against.
and for the LOVE OF GOD do NOT send TAPU LELE out in front of this thing as it has IRON HEAD.
Toodles <3
I can see how before the ban it was a predominant threat. DD sets, Tera Flying Booster sets, Band Sun sets. This thing was the fore front of the majority of each builder specifically I believe people ran Garganacle to be one of like 4 or 5 different mons to make sure there was some leverage against a mon that practically towered over the tier.
now that tera is banned its different.
I expect to see the same usage that NDM currently has with Moon with scarf sets, band sets, considerably more booster sets. Without Tera Flying involved, I dont think acrobatics would inevitably be an issue first hand as there are many better ways to now counter a mon that snowballed teams from low to high ladder.
THIS is going to be a staple considering Moon is now running around. So expect more sun oriented teams on the high/mid/low ladder area as it is dummy broken to fight against.
and for the LOVE OF GOD do NOT send TAPU LELE out in front of this thing as it has IRON HEAD.
Toodles <3
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If you're thinking Chi-Yu is going to man sun or be some wallbreaker or something, I can see maybe why you don't think Chi-Yu is going to be broken, although even then it would be meta warping. However, I think you're underestimating how powerful Z-Move Chi-Yu is on webs.
Chi-Yu @ Firium Z / Darkium-Z
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Overheat
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower / Taunt
This set destroys the entire tier with webs.
If Roaring Moon makes HO meta-warping, Chi-Yu will make it so that you must play HO or run Mega-Diance on every team. I have no idea how strong webs are in this meta, but if webs are down, Chi-Yu can only be revenge-killed by Excadrill in sand and other similar weather sweepers, priority, Clear Body Dragapult, and Scarf users. Without Ho-Oh and Primal Kyogre, Chi Yu can easily run Overheat Firium-Z over Darkium-Z, although either one means its unwallable after a Nasty Plot. Chi-Yu has no switch-ins, as everything in the tier dies to +2 Overheat Firium-Z followed up by Overheat, including Mega Tyranitar and Chansey.
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Inferno Overdrive (195 BP) vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 249-293 (68.4 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 165-195 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Inferno Overdrive (195 BP) vs. 8 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 408-480 (63.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 8 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 271-321 (42.1 - 49.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 165-195 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Inferno Overdrive (195 BP) vs. 8 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 408-480 (63.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 8 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 271-321 (42.1 - 49.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Forget that Chi-Yu has no switch-ins. It straight up OHKOs practically the entire tier. It is impossible to spin webs off in the face of Chi-Yu. Every spinner dies to +2 Overheat, incuding Tera Shell Terapagos.
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos: 331-390 (103.1 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO (This is without even burning Firium-Z by the way)
Also, Chi-Yu OHKOs every Pokemon you offered as checks.
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Inferno Overdrive (195 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 348-409 (101.1 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Black Hole Eclipse (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 356-419 (110.2 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Inferno Overdrive (195 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 384-452 (105.4 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Black Hole Eclipse (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 356-419 (110.2 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Inferno Overdrive (195 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 384-452 (105.4 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Btw, sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but how good is the team i've been rocking in Natdex actually? It's been getting me it's Ws and helped me get into the tier, so that's fun. Again, if this ain't the place, point me to the right one
https://pokepast.es/7580b4ce259fff70
I'm gonna be honest chief. No matter what you think about Roaring Moon this guy is definitely not paving the way for a more interesting metagame lmao
As someone who really wanted moon unbanned, I do agree. Mostly I think the meta will be the same, with a slight increase in HO.
I’d say Rate My Team is the better place just use the Nat Dex tag. Only two things I can see to change is Toxic over brave bird on molt, and super power over thunder punch on Mel. Those are both personal preferences tho so take it with a grain of salt.
whatttttttt the guy who constantly ragebaits and react farms by hyperdefending matchup fish shitmons is ragebaiting and react farming????? its so incredibly clear this guy just plays the shittiest cheeseteams ever and then has the audacity to start swinging on people when they point out that his epic subversive takes are in fact the most obvious ragebait of all time. like oras is a hyper offense hellscape give it a fucking breakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
im not trying to start even more shit but i think collectively too many people give this guy any fucking credence because he uses 200-level grammar combined with absolute fucking arkham asylum logic to convince people that he isn't just shitting out takes to farm reactions and clout. if literally ANYONE else was saying "uuhhhhhhhh lets unban reshiram durrr!!!!" NOBODY would give a fuck but for some reason the fucking hypnosis snow guy is the one we are taking even the slightest amount of metagame chinstroking.
like illouri said this is legit the 6th time in like 3 months that this guy has just said something absolutely bonkers and then spent 12-28 hours defending it with the most asinine reasoning and etiquette as though admitting MEGA AUDINO is shit will somehow cost him his entire stockpile of clout from people who have no idea how tiering works
I'm not exactly zealous about NOT trying out some suspects, but after the fifth goddamn ragebait attempt you would think that we'd get it through our heads that this guy isnt meant to be taken seriously? if someone's going fucking nuts on public transportation you don't think to yourself "oh shit dude what if the babylonians really did predict the lizard people taking over the world" you just disengage and don't try to feed into the fire. this thread makes me feel like i'm taking crazy pills but clearly buddy managed to corner the fucking market
im not trying to start even more shit but i think collectively too many people give this guy any fucking credence because he uses 200-level grammar combined with absolute fucking arkham asylum logic to convince people that he isn't just shitting out takes to farm reactions and clout. if literally ANYONE else was saying "uuhhhhhhhh lets unban reshiram durrr!!!!" NOBODY would give a fuck but for some reason the fucking hypnosis snow guy is the one we are taking even the slightest amount of metagame chinstroking.
like illouri said this is legit the 6th time in like 3 months that this guy has just said something absolutely bonkers and then spent 12-28 hours defending it with the most asinine reasoning and etiquette as though admitting MEGA AUDINO is shit will somehow cost him his entire stockpile of clout from people who have no idea how tiering works
I'm not exactly zealous about NOT trying out some suspects, but after the fifth goddamn ragebait attempt you would think that we'd get it through our heads that this guy isnt meant to be taken seriously? if someone's going fucking nuts on public transportation you don't think to yourself "oh shit dude what if the babylonians really did predict the lizard people taking over the world" you just disengage and don't try to feed into the fire. this thread makes me feel like i'm taking crazy pills but clearly buddy managed to corner the fucking market
I don't play NDOU and only have a mild interest in it. If I didn't click through here on my way to the NDUbers subforum I doubt I would check up on things nearly as often as I do. For a while it feels like almost everytime I check in the thread is derailed by Kinak saying to drop something that obviously should not be dropped a bunch of people making posts in response detailing why. It isn't lost on me that I'm contributing to that with this post.
I get you disagree with Moon dropping, but frankly you need to chill. We had our tera suspect recently in Ubers and I really did not want it to be banned despite not liking the mechanic in general. NDUbers is the only tier I've played where I like it. I like the tier, but think it would be horrible without tera. If tera was banned there, I would have seen how the metagame played out, and if it was as unenjoyable as I thought I'd planned to step down from the council and come back with the next gen. Mons is a game, and those are supposed to be fun, so what is the point if it isn't?
There have been a bunch of posts since I started writing this, but as Anchor9 said, Chi-Yu is unwallable in Ubers, where tera is legal and most teams have a bulky Arceus forme which outspeeds it. It is only ranked in B because it only fits on Webs. Chi-Yu has no counterplay and it does it in a metagame where it uses a z crystal and its counterplay have access to tera while still breaking through significantly bulkier targets. I get the whole point is to go hurr durr if Moon is legal this thing isn't nearly as bad, but even to someone who doesn't know NDOU all that well this seems incredibly silly. I'll assume most of what Anchor9 said is correct since I don't play this metagame, but in Ubers it runs Taunt as well to help keep the webs up.
I don't play NDOU, but from everything I've read and in discussing it with some friends...Moon seems managable? If it isn't just have another one down the road? It isn't as though Moon is required to remain in the tier until the end of time. I agree with Dead by Daylight and it wasn't like the thread was always the highest quality a year ago, but there were good posts here and there. Its just been shitty for some time and I think it would benefit from the increased moderation that SVOU implimented recently.
I get you disagree with Moon dropping, but frankly you need to chill. We had our tera suspect recently in Ubers and I really did not want it to be banned despite not liking the mechanic in general. NDUbers is the only tier I've played where I like it. I like the tier, but think it would be horrible without tera. If tera was banned there, I would have seen how the metagame played out, and if it was as unenjoyable as I thought I'd planned to step down from the council and come back with the next gen. Mons is a game, and those are supposed to be fun, so what is the point if it isn't?
There have been a bunch of posts since I started writing this, but as Anchor9 said, Chi-Yu is unwallable in Ubers, where tera is legal and most teams have a bulky Arceus forme which outspeeds it. It is only ranked in B because it only fits on Webs. Chi-Yu has no counterplay and it does it in a metagame where it uses a z crystal and its counterplay have access to tera while still breaking through significantly bulkier targets. I get the whole point is to go hurr durr if Moon is legal this thing isn't nearly as bad, but even to someone who doesn't know NDOU all that well this seems incredibly silly. I'll assume most of what Anchor9 said is correct since I don't play this metagame, but in Ubers it runs Taunt as well to help keep the webs up.
I don't play NDOU, but from everything I've read and in discussing it with some friends...Moon seems managable? If it isn't just have another one down the road? It isn't as though Moon is required to remain in the tier until the end of time. I agree with Dead by Daylight and it wasn't like the thread was always the highest quality a year ago, but there were good posts here and there. Its just been shitty for some time and I think it would benefit from the increased moderation that SVOU implimented recently.
The rates section in the smogcord or nd discord is probably your best bet.