Fwiw sellers like GameStop regularly do such programs, problem is actually moving your save data
Though there could be reasonable alternative to just fling all your mons to Home and get a fresh save on switch 2...
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Though there could be reasonable alternative to just fling all your mons to Home and get a fresh save on switch 2...
Ngl, its moreso other games that I'm worried about. For example, in SSBU, I've been trying to get every character into elite smash and I'm about halfway there, but this took me a year or two to do so far. So I REALLY don't want to lose all that work. I don't usually care about saving all my mons, besides a few which I do already have saved in Home. Other option would be saving all the data onto a hard drive and then transferring it from that. Which prob would be a pain, but does have the best of both worlds.
Pokémon charging extra for a stable performance would look incredibly embarassing, but I hate that I can see them actually doing this
Yeah it's good that you can carry over your progress, although for me the Switch 2 is not going to be an affordable option, probably ever, so I'm worried that I'll be stuck with a version that might run as good as the previous Pokémon game...
Money
Most people here can already get Switch 1 games, the Switch 2 is a whole other ballpark.
Porting over saves is huge, ngl.
Retirement Home makes this less awful for Pokémon, but for games like BotW it's an absolute game changer, especially with the QR code shenanigans.
This thread has been running with mild, mayo-level spicy takes lately, so I'm bringing out something to stir the pot a bit.
The Toxic TM nerf wasn't bad by itself, but it was kind of excessive. Many defensive mons suddenly lost a major way to force the game to progress, so I have a compromise. Toxic back as a universal TM, inflicting regular poison, unless used by a Poison-type. (Alternatively, Toxic back to universal TM status, and the regular Poison-type poisoning status moves inflict bad poison instead.)
The Toxic TM nerf wasn't bad by itself, but it was kind of excessive. Many defensive mons suddenly lost a major way to force the game to progress, so I have a compromise. Toxic back as a universal TM, inflicting regular poison, unless used by a Poison-type. (Alternatively, Toxic back to universal TM status, and the regular Poison-type poisoning status moves inflict bad poison instead.)
Not everyone is gonna migrate over to the Switch 2 immediately.
No console transition is ever immediate or instant. I guarantee you that a significant number of Switch 1 owners are going to stick with their Switch 1 for now for the entirety of this year. And that's not the fault of the Switch 2 but just the nature of how things are with new consoles. As a recent example you can see how they were still supporting the PS4 and Xbox One for a few years after the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S came out, even though that's starting to die out now. Most people aren't going to care if Z-A runs worse on Switch 1 than on Switch 2, they just want a fun game about cute and cool monsters and in this case one that's very ARPG heavy and that'll be good enough for them. Look at Scarlet and Violet. That game is well-documented in its technical shortcomings on Switch 1 and it still sold like hotcakes and a lot of people still love it anyhow.
Given that the enhancements on Switch 2 for this game specifically seem to be very minimal compared to the other Nintendo games getting Switch 2 editions (it seems to literally be *just* be the game looking and running better), and Game Freak is generally pretty conservative with jumping to new hardware, I do not see the Switch 2 version having that significant of enhancements, nor to I think any Daybreak-like post-release content will be exclusive to the Switch 2 version, for Game Freak that would be like shooting themselves in the stomach. Games like Kirby and the Forgotten Land and BOTW+TOTK can get away with it because they're not new games: they've been around for a long time and the Switch 2 exclusive content gives older players of those games an incentive to play again after most likely not having touched the game in over a year if not more.
For a significant number of people they probably won't get the Switch 2 until well into 2026 if not later, at which point Z-A will be old news. There's still a benefit in the Switch 1 version per se in that that's what most people will be buying anyhow, and they can buy the upgrade pack digitally later if they adopt the Switch 2 at a later point and are still playing Z-A. The "Switch 2 Edition" is for the small number of early adopters, and the performance enhancements will matter for that crowd because most of the early adopters are hardcore devotees and gamers who do care about performance and whatnot.
lowkey I can't imagine only wanting to buy a system because Pokemon. im buying this shit for Mario Kart, portable Metaphor ReFantazio eventually, portable Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, possible portable Elden Ring / DS3 / etc., potentially portable Red Dead Redemption 2 in the future, likely the next Nier game whenever that comes out portably, inevitable Splatoon 4, inevitable 3D Mario, inevitable big new Zelda, Yakuza on the toilet, maybe finally a good Animal Crossing game after 12 years, Monster Hunter but in 60fps on a handheld, and yes of course Pokemon
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next 2d metroid
resident evil
fire emblem
cyberpunk maybe
forza horizon (yes they're going multi plat)
persona 3 reload
lies of p
maybe baldurs gate 3
kirby
maybe we get fallout
etc. etc.
tbf this is a nintendo orbit franchise and I know by this point that most nintendo fans play at max 3 different game franchises
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This would also nerf Gliscor btw, bro would theoretically have to stick to Flinging Toxic Orbs
The Switch 2 is a very attractive console ngl, people are saying this is a Wii U situation but that console problem was a whole can of issues: the lack of notable games at launch, the lack of 3rd party support, the weak marketing, too gimmicky, etc. Switch 2 in comparison seems more focused in what it wants of be (sorta, who really asked for that game chat feature lol) with the main issue everyone's upset at is the pricing of their games. I watched the Direct and I was pleased with what I saw, until people pointed out the pricing tags. Hopefully things will accomodate in the future...
this is the best indicator the switch 2 will be fine btw
no one gets upset that something they don't want is expensive. my take is 90% of these will fall to FOMO when Mario Kart wonder gets a 90+ on Metacritic, Donkey Kong gets a 90+ on Metacritic, Metroid Prime 4 probably also gets a 90+on Metacritic lmao
We could realistically see 3 Nintendo GOTY nominations this year, two of which S2 exclusive, and one at 120hz on S2. We'll see how badly the system is doing then
I think realistically the only thing that could stop it at this point is tariffs
I mean I'm going to need the switch 2 to play future exclusives on it but I also have a gaming pc and don't really personally care about portability. I'm a unique case I guess in that I don't ever travel anywhere, although ironically I prefer playing switch in handheld mode. My switch 1 currently only has games that are entirely exclusive to the console on it and the Switch 2 is going to be similar. If I want to play a big third party game I'll play it on my gaming pc instead. I do hope they port all the atlus and sega stuff to the switch 2 but I won't buy them because I already own all of them on steam.
Also, I'm waiting on a switch 2 for Pokemon Gen 10 because that's the main series I like the most. There are other nintendo franchises that would get me to shill out big bucks, like if they announced a new 3D zelda for 2026 I'd buy the switch 2 then too.
I also have a gaming PC but I also have "I want to play this game in my bed in any position especially because I have a disability that hurts if I sit down in a chair"
i dont need to travel to get use out of portability. even when im bed ridden with a TV in my room I never dock my switch. It hasn't been docked in like 3 years
I miss being able to lay down and play games but unfortunately I can't do that anymore, spine problems, so it has to be in chairs.
I have tried to play games on a TV and so many games nowadays, especially Nintendo, have UIs that are way too fucking small and hard to read. It is impossible to make out any of the tiny text and there's rarely options to make the text big enough to read it on a TV.
to tie this back into Pokemon, I do hate just how poor their accessibility options are in general, or even just their general options. Anytime a game doesn't let me put a solid color background behind the subtitles it pisses me off.
The most infamous example of bad options in pokemon of course being you couldn't change the sound settings in Sword/Shield until you got a key item in a town multiple hours into the game, what the hell was that!?
Thankfully the Switch 2 is bucking the trend and adding a crumb of accessibility
The bare minimum but fucking finally
Yeah, I'd have been content with a Scald/Chilling Water situation. I don't think its worth changing every move though, regular poison may be better when paired with the larger hits (since bad poison only takes a lead after 4 turns) and there aren't many other pure status moves that inflict poison. Both Poison Gas (for the spread) and Toxic Thread (for the speed drop) are pretty locked to the Posion-type already so you're unlikely to see the contrast. There's Poison Powder I guess, but it's not going to get seen outside of early-game anyway thanks to lower accuracy, inability to hit Grass, and heavy movepool overlap with Sleep Powder and/or Leech Seed (or, in this hypothetical, Toxic).
Not my boy Gliscor...
The Switch 2 is obviously going to sell at least as well as the PS5 lol, let's be real. It doesn't have a mindblowing launch lineup, the 3rd party support is more about being a showcase of its power, and everyone who wanted these games probably wasn't waiting for them to come to the Switch. (Or expecting it)
And let's not forget that the flagships for the release year are: Mario Kart, DK, and games that will also come out on the Switch 1.
When the rest of the needle movers come in, the Switch 2 will be even more appealing. Pokémon Gen 10, new Mario, new Zelda, new Fire Emblem, hell, we might even get a new F-Zero and another 2D Metroid. They might even manage to convince Sakurai to cook up a new Smash.
THEN things will get wild.
yeah unfort this would be worse. It's basically a targeted attack against the non-Poison Type mons who still learn Toxic. I'm a huge fan of the Toxic change, and I think they did an excellent job (for the most part) working out which Pokémon retained the move. A nice side-effect is that, besides Gliscor (and Mew/Terapagos), all the non-Poison Pokémon to keep the move are also pretty weak which gives them a bit of a USP.
Besides Breloom, Zoroark, and Houndoom they also only put it on Pokémon who could have a real use for the move. Bellibolt, Hypno, Dudunsparce, Gliscor, Goodra, Mandibuzz, Quagsire, Spiritomb, Toedscruel, Trevenant, Umbreon, and Vespiquen all have a slow and bulky stat spread. Not all of them actually opt to use it, I don't think Dudunsparce, Bellibolt, or Goodra often do, but it feels like some actual thought went into its distribution and they wanted Toxic to form a part of the playstyle identity of these mons. Looking through the list of who I think could pass the flavour bar in Gen 9 I'd say it's only Rabsca (thanks to Rellor), Pincurchin, Magmortar, Polteageist, and Brute Bonnet, and all of these mons are supposed to be doing different things to Toxic stalling. Well Pincurchin probably could try and Toxic stall, they took Rising Voltage from it and now it has nothing better to do, but that's an aside.
The mons that don't fit this and still get the move are actually quite interesting though. Breloom makes sense, it has Poison Heal it kinda makes it mandatory. Zoroark isn't particularly poisonous, it has always learned Sludge Bomb, but I think that might actually just be them being cute and wanting players to Illusion as mons who used to learn Toxic but don't anymore to surprise players.
I'm curious looking now at Houndoom keeping Toxic but Magmortar losing it. While Magmortar has retained Smog, Clear Smog, Acid Spray, Poison Jab in Gen 9, Houndoom only ever had Smog, Sludge Bomb, and Toxic itself. It has less of a claim to the move than Magcargo, who still learns Smog, Clear Smog, and Acid Armour. Considering Zoroark, Umbreon, Mandibuzz, and Spiritomb all keep the move as well, making Dark-Type by far the most represented type besides Poison-Type itself, it seems they might be trying to share the move with Dark-Type a little bit. Umbreon and Mandibuzz are slam dunk catfits anyway, but Spiritomb, Zoroark and Houndoom are varying levels of borderline so the fact they share the Dark-Type feels relevant in some way. But if they were really trying to do that Scrafty would make sense as an inclusion, its spit is stated to be acidic in its debut generation, it learns Acid Spray, Sludge Bomb, and Poison Jab, and it even has great bulk and Shed Skin to possibly Toxic stall, so eh maybe not.
Overall though I like the change a lot, not from a gameplay POV but from a flavour POV. It feels like a cool category to still learn Toxic for the mons that do.
May I need to remind you of Kirby Air Riders (sequel to Kirby Air Ride) is being directed by Sakurai himself?
I would doubt a new Smash Bros. game coming up until at least three years given how impactful Ultimate is in pop culture.
It's also just possible Smash 6 is being/will be done by a new director. They're obviously going to keep making these things and Sakurai's gonna retire sooner or later. May even be a good thing on net, fresh new vision and all that
nah he seems like the kind of person that only retires when they die, like the type of guy who is incapable of not working
simple: smash isn't being directed by sakurai lol
No, I just forgot to mention it in the original post.
Yeah, I was really happy to see that he was working on a new Kirby Air Ride game instead of Smash. That game was taking way too much out of him.
he was making an elaborate video series on youtube while also working on this kirby game, lol
ig houndoom has some hell/sulphur/brimstone flavour to it that other mons might not, but agree it's still a little odd
Non-Poison types that retained it all either have poison/fermentation mentioned in their dex entires (Umbreon, Shuckle, regular Sliggoo/Goodra), are based on creatures associated with poison that aren't actually Poison type (Dunsparce/Dudunsparce, Gligar/Gliscor), learned it via non-TM means prior to the cull (Shroomish/Breloom, regular Wooper/Quagsire, Vespiquen, Accelgor, Vullaby/Mandibuzz), or are just stated to be actively malicious (Spiritomb, Houndour/Houndoom, regular Zoroark). And Trevenant.