NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH

It's important to vote here in my opinion, which is my least favorite part of playing mafia because the first vote always seems so random with hardly anything to go on

Roxie is cleared from being janitor/killer and can't be NK (no defense), which means it is essentially a 2/11 chance for them to have been mafia which is obviously tiny, we definitely can't not-vote with an assumption that they were mafia.

If there are 2 town kills tonight town has already lost its majority, not to mention there could be more in the event of a werewolf.

If Roxie was town, even a 100% random vote (not suggesting voting randomly, but worst case) has a 6/14 chance of hitting an evil.

On the bright side obviously maf and 3p can easily cross so it's not doomed yet or anything, even if we do misvote.
 
joey said:
If we are thinking HyHy and Roxie were transported, then all of the following must be true:

Mafia chose to kill/clean HyHy
Dbd targeted Roxie, but actually watched HyHy
Alice targeted Roxie, but actually visited HyHy and was seen by Dbd
Roxie targeted themself, but actually visited HyHy (how?) and was seen by Dbd
Alice and Roxie cannot be the killer or janitor
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Wouldn't Roxie targeting HyHy be required for Roxie to show up as targeting themself or am I reading this wrong

I am down to no vote and see what happens with transporting tonight
 
Miyami~~~ said:
Wouldn't Roxie targeting HyHy be required for Roxie to show up as targeting themself or am I reading this wrong
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Dbd (Lookout) targeted Roxie and saw Roxie and Alice

Regardless of whether Roxie was transported or not, everyone Dbd saw MUST have targeted the same person he targeted, meaning that Dbd, Roxie, and Alice all targeted Roxie.


IF Roxie was transported:
Dbd, Roxie, and Alice's targets were all switched and they ended up visiting Hydro

IF Roxie was not transported:
No target switching took place and all three of them visited Roxie


So no matter what, those 3 have to have all targeted person a, and all visited person b. Person A and B are the same in the no-transport situation, but different in the transport situation.


I'm not sure if any of these explanations made sense so I am happy to try and explain better if they did not
 
joey said:
Dbd (Lookout) targeted Roxie and saw Roxie and Alice

Regardless of whether Roxie was transported or not, everyone Dbd saw MUST have targeted the same person he targeted, meaning that Dbd, Roxie, and Alice all targeted Roxie.


IF Roxie was transported:
Dbd, Roxie, and Alice's targets were all switched and they ended up visiting Hydro

IF Roxie was not transported:
No target switching took place and all three of them visited Roxie


So no matter what, those 3 have to have all targeted person a, and all visited person b. Person A and B are the same in the no-transport situation, but different in the transport situation.


I'm not sure if any of these explanations made sense so I am happy to try and explain better if they did not
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yeah could you try to re-explain it? not for me i promise for my friend who isn't getting it
 
wait transporter should claim though, bc we're assuming transport as most of us wouldn't kill roxie but also... if there's no transporter then Alice did just kinda kill roxie lol
 
Here's a scenario:

Person C, D, and E all targeted Person A. Let's say C is a Lookout, D is a Doctor, and E is a Consigliere.
All three of these actions are targeted at the same person - Person A. If there are no other relevant actions, all 3 of these actions resolve on Person A, meaning Person C sees persons D and E visit.

Now let's add a transporter - the transporter transports Person A and person
 
The full post I meant to make:

Here's a scenario:

Person C, D, and E all targeted Person A. Let's say C is a Lookout, D is a Doctor, and E is a Consigliere.
All three of these actions are targeted at the same person - Person A. If there are no other relevant actions, all 3 of these actions resolve on Person A, meaning Person C sees persons D and E visit.

Now let's add a transporter - the transporter transports Person A and Person B.

The actions of persons C, D, and E will now be switched to resolve on Person B, even though they targeted Person A. The important part here is that Person C's Lookout results will be exactly the same. Because the transporter switches ALL actions, all three people who targeted Person A are now the three people who are resolving on Person B.


So to tie it back into the game - because we know Dbd targeted Roxie, that means anyone Dbd saw must have also targeted Roxie - including Roxie themself.
 
Celever said:
wait transporter should claim though, bc we're assuming transport as most of us wouldn't kill roxie but also... if there's no transporter then Alice did just kinda kill roxie lol
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If transporter isn't real then Hydro lied about being transported for zero reason, I'm personally convinced 99% there's a transporter and 95% that hydro/roxie were transported. I don't think it's worth exposing the transporter since that's a pretty hugely important town role, especially if we need to recover from losing a majority
 
Evie said:
im pretty confident that hyhy and roxie were in fact transported despite not being the one that transported them
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joey said:
If transporter isn't real then Hydro lied about being transported for zero reason, I'm personally convinced 99% there's a transporter and 95% that hydro/roxie were transported. I don't think it's worth exposing the transporter since that's a pretty hugely important town role, especially if we need to recover from losing a majority
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oh yeah true Hydro claimed he was transported bc they're told, fair enough

have to remember Hydro x Alice scumteam if things go dire but yeah lol
 
this entire day so far:
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I'm liking joey a lot.

Celever on the other hand seemed like he was trying to bait a bus driver claim for some reason :woo:


I'm against the idea of no vote. I'm also against doing the vote randomly as some suggested for some reason?? I think we should focus on people that haven't voiced their opinion or thoughts particularly strong or just haven't at all. There is higher chance that some scum is not doing much considering how day 1 went.
 
joey said:
Actually there is also the case where Hydro is not lying but was Hypnotized, ie he is not lying but there's not a transporter
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this is very interesting but probably impossible to prove today since the only other feasible transport target died. Let's take this a step further - if you are correct, what does this mean for alice?

Backing Alice here, I feel like only four or five people are really here and trying to play right now. That's disappointing.
 
- Des just said hi I don't have discord and she is nowhere to be found.
- DBD claimed I was a redcheck, ignored hydro post and then dipped:puff: Far more active than everyone else in this list though.

- Hydro himself hasn't said much either but I doubt mafia would help me out in that situation so out of this list I'm inclined to think he would be towniest. :blobwizard:
- Ecat has 3 posts, one of them with substance. The thing is that post it's an ambiguous read on miyami with a crazy theory, another crazy theory about me and him being confused about mechanics.

- I don't remember anything with substance from a fairy, checked quickly and I was mostly right, post 120 is fine though. She isn't even reacting to the no vote thing so maybe something is off either is because of what she said in #120 or she is not town aligned.

- I think AirC is new or at least I haven't seen them around so might be a hard to read slot, do your best! Not a viable vote.


Alice Kazumi said:
I'm liking joey a lot.

Celever on the other hand seemed like he was trying to bait a bus driver claim for some reason :woo:


I'm against the idea of no vote. I'm also against doing the vote randomly as some suggested for some reason?? I think we should focus on people that haven't voiced their opinion or thoughts particularly strong or just haven't at all. There is higher chance that some scum is not doing much considering how day 1 went.
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Miyami~~~ said:
this is very interesting but probably impossible to prove today since the only other feasible transport target died. Let's take this a step further - if you are correct, what does this mean for alice?
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IF Hydro was Hypnotized into seeing the transported message
-> we are assuming Roxie was not transported, which tracks because otherwise another non-mafia would've been transported with Roxie and almost definitely would have claimed it.

- Dbd visited Roxie, and saw Alice and Roxie visit
- This still means that Roxie self-targeted which is still a bit of a question mark
- 2 other people - Killer and Janitor - must have visited Roxie
- Dbd's lookout only saw Alice, meaning the kill was performed by a Godfather (does not show on Lookout)
- Alice is the only other visit, so Alice has to be Janitor

Again this is only IF Hydro was not actually transported and is either lying or Hypnotized. So a pretty low chance hypothetical
 
joey said:
- Dbd's lookout only saw Alice, meaning the kill was performed by a Godfather (does not show on Lookout)
- Alice is the only other visit, so Alice has to be Janitor
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based on how I'm reading the setup document, I don't think it's possible for both a mafia godfather and mafia janitor to take gunpoint on the same night, right? They would have to designate one?
 
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