NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

[a fairy]

her? i think evie is she/her? anyway i wasnt pocketing her i was challenging you

 

[a fairy]

not least bc it kinda validates me if true

bc I was seeing something inorganic and weird going on and Evie says it was in fact inorganic and weird

what celever says: "these people are so linked ill up the ante of how linked they are in my post three times"
what celever means: "something odd innit"

nah no.

 

[Celever]

her? i think evie is she/her? anyway i wasnt pocketing her i was challenging you

I don't remember I think in ToS2 Evie actually said it's he/him but my brain struggles to adjust because ik too many irl Evies who are she/her

 

[a fairy]

I don't remember I think in ToS2 Evie actually said it's he/him but my brain struggles to adjust because ik too many irl Evies who are she/her

her about page on smogon says she/her

you were correct on tos2 btw i fully did not read that thread or follow that game the second i was out

 

[Evie]

I don't remember I think in ToS2 Evie actually said it's he/him but my brain struggles to adjust because ik too many irl Evies who are she/her

i dont think i did because that is not true

 

[Celever]

what celever says: "these people are so linked ill up the ante of how linked they are in my post three times"
what celever means: "something odd innit"

nah no.

you can't say that's out of character

(yes you're correct I was drawing a lot of additional conclusions, but I do think it's noteworthy that something I harped on was stated to be something artificial by one of the members lol)

not noteworthy in a way that like, you have to care about. but it helps my own ego :]

 

[Celever]

i dont think i did because that is not true

idk who that memory was then sorry ty for confirming

 

[a fairy]

you can't say that's out of character

(yes you're correct I was drawing a lot of additional conclusions, but I do think it's noteworthy that something I harped on was stated to be something artificial by one of the members lol)

not noteworthy in a way that like, you have to care about. but it helps my own ego :]

me when in a job interview i get asked if i have experience in molecular biology and i say yes because i had a bioinformatics internship one time

 

[a fairy]

i hate that this is town celever too

 

[joey]

I tried to get ChatGPT to read the thread for me and it repeatedly told me "I can't search the web or access webpages" and then on like the 4th try it searched the web and accessed webpages

Unfortunately it proceeded to tell me that the scumteam was "Blazade, NightEmerald, Vizh, and Dead by Daylight" and that dbd himself had declared it so I don't think I should be relying on that information

I guess I will have to catch up the regular way

 

[Celever]

I tried to get ChatGPT to read the thread for me and it repeatedly told me "I can't search the web or access webpages" and then on like the 4th try it searched the web and accessed webpages

Unfortunately it proceeded to tell me that the scumteam was "Blazade, NightEmerald, Vizh, and Dead by Daylight" and that dbd himself had declared it so I don't think I should be relying on that information

I guess I will have to catch up the regular way

I'm not gonna have an inherently unreliable AI (that is about as likely to take its' answer from a satirical source as it is to find the actually correct information) do a job that I can do by just going to the fucking wiki page.

Might I suggest using the Smogon mafia wiki page?

 

[Celever]

also +1 your anti-chatGPT agenda Neon love to see it

 

[Dead by Daylight]

shoutout to me for gamethrowing to ruin ChatGPT’s chances

 

[skippergamez]

Unfortunately it proceeded to tell me that the scumteam was "Blazade, NightEmerald, Vizh, and Dead by Daylight" and that dbd himself had declared it so I don't think I should be relying on that information

The fact that ChatGPT said this is kinda iconic

 

[ImaginaryNeon]

Did you see the subsequent celever and wis reads? I feel like once vs three times are entirely different circumstances, especially when it feels like flandrs is not interested in finding other town either

Okay I tried to go into a deep dive of this that basically just went "what the hell are you talking about," but I eventually realized what posts he meant, at least with the first bit. The 'once versus thrice' thing doesn't really make sense to me, but I'm not gonna try and figure that out at this point.

I'm gonna leave what I had here too so you can try to see the thought process I went through and put a few extra notes marked with ◇. (And also because I don't want to throw it all away.)

Spoiler

Given that the inciting posts are #108 and #109, as well as Flandrs' #113

the posts in question

It seems Chemdah knows the flavor

What? I googled my role when I saw it and of course there is a wiki page for Limbus(?) which had a page about my role. Its not like it takes a significant amount of effort to do basic research about flavor

Can you expand on your AP thoughts? Do you feel any similar energy from 108 and 109? I'm kinda finding it weird that AP felt the need to respond twice to the same post, and the second post implied he felt the need to research his flavor just to disprove my (admittedly unsubstantiated) point about it being difficult

I just don't see what you mean by 'the subsequent celever and wis reads."
While wisteria has #146, which calls out #113 (Flandrs) directly, citing them feelng 'a bit woozy,'

◇ Initially, I was going to counter the idea of both Celever and wisteria having notable reads on Pidgeon/Flandrs within a 'subsequent' time frame.
◇ But this basically came down to me not initially noting #146 (wisteria)'s callout of #113 (Flandrs) (due to what I had believed to be fairly unclear wording), which has been remedied, as well as just completely neglecting Celever's #151 because it didn't match the Pidgeon read noted in #146 (wisteria) and all I had listed for Flandrs from #146 (wisteria) was the inconclusive 'at best, unpartnered' portion of the post.

anyway i did re-read AP and off-vibes i'm thinking town? his progression on cel seems legitimate and i liked #119 from him
on the other hand, #113 from flandrs makes me feel a tad woozy, mainly because

[Quote of #113]

reads like "reading too much into something" at best and "grasping straws to discredit a slot" at worst
instinct says these two are unpartnered at least

Actually the more I think on it, Celever saying what he did may have been a townslip. Unless this is ends up being an unusual setup. He's probtown for it though.

◇ This above quote was attempting to call in the idea of 'the subsequent celever and wis reads' referring to reads FROM Pidgeon, which fit Celever but not wisteria.
◇ But I now realize this wasn't what they meant at all, especially since the target of discussion seems to actually be Flandrs, whose next noted read is all the way in #224.

 

[ImaginaryNeon]

So realistically that was all for nothing, given that it's just me realizing what was being referred to, but I internally refuse to accept it as such.

 

[ImaginaryNeon]

But hey, it gives insight into the issues that I faced while trying to figure out what was being said.
Plus it tells y'all that I'm still around page 11 lol.

 

[ImaginaryNeon]

I keep seeing "des" and having my mind go towards

 

[a fairy]

neon keep up this kinda stuff (590) its cool to see independent thought processes

 

[ImaginaryNeon]

Don’t wagon me I’m town and not worth it

And the crowd goes wild!

I think you’re referring to popcorn

But I’m p sure I tunneled you (and like half the scumteam) -> hero shot you -> died

The initial recollection involved you flipping scum. You were not scum in Popcorn.

 

[Celever]

And the crowd goes wild!


The initial recollection involved you flipping scum. You were not scum in Popcorn.

yeahhh but who knows who I was thinking of my memory's my memory yk

I wasn't scum in popcorn either right bc skipper posited it was the inverse, I'm p sure I was town

 

[CrreamyKitty]

sorry in advance this post is gonna be super disjointed

slept on the flandrs read
relooking at his more recent posting it actually seems much more reasonable hence i am comfy to unvote for now at the very least
##Unvote

i'm still fairly confident on town!AF. i stand by my belief that scum in general (let alone her?) wouldn't post as she did earlier in defense of flandrs. did a really quick skim of lumiose to sanity check my thoughts and yeah i think it holds up (a very specific thought i had then re: AF was that she seemed non-committal, which well idt that's happening here LMAO)

#409 from DBD definitely gives me good vibes, i like the active effort to keep the thread on track
M2H feels fine as well but part of me wants to properly re-read them before straight endorsing a read


why don't you think that doesn't makes sense lol? like if AF can't get a handle of certain slots of course she's gonna enourage discussion there

its town NE why don't you guys get it :( AngryPidgeon i think you mentioned that you thought my NE read felt forced? i did mention that i tend to be able to snipe NE's alignment early on, hence why my actual RVS vote was him + i liveposted with him earlier to see where his head was at. my conclusion then was "seems like town!NE" and his posting following that has been enough to solidify that imo.
(the mindmeld refers to him asking me about flandrs right as i post my own thoughts)
i do wish you pressed me about it instead of jumping to "it feels forced" though
i really don't see what neon means re: the flandrs read being peer-reviewed and pulsar jumping onto that read + calling it the most promising scum crumb so far without much elaboration is ?
will admit that his skip read still leaves me a bit baffled though rofl NightEmerald given skip's recent posting do you think it still holds?

celever mentions me defending evie

i quite literally never did that prior lmao

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but i think i will now because evie doesn't seem particularly odd to me? like yeah in #213 she agrees with AF's read but she posts her own substantiation to it and i think #446 and #508 read genuine

Ch3mdah not wanting to vote d1 is mehh i can see it from either alignment and i think trying to read something out of it would be grasping for straws tho i do wish they'd post thoughts on the gamestate
des121 i get that you're busy at work so when you aren't do you mind posing some thoughts on where your head's at
same for joey

hal finally posted confetti emoji and i do get the information hazard thing presented but at the same time i don't know how i feel about him openly admitting to keeping 90% of his thoughts to himself (like you can combat information hazard without hiding the vast majority of your thoughts i feel + this would make it hard to read his progression)
he seems fine with being left in null which well, interesting sentiment
can someone who has played with scum!hal before speak on how he tends to approach his scumgames? i find myself considering the same reasoning i employed for town!AF but without a reference point for scum!hal i have to consider the possibility that this is an insane gambit

so where does that leave me?
uhh it leaves me at a point where i get the feeling that my initial coloured readslist was wrong so bleh it is re-eval time
think the hills i can die on here tho are town!AP, town!NE, town!AF, and maaaybe town!CK (i think my earlier thoughts on him still hold) + town!DBD. re: cel i think there has been enough sentiment in-thread that has made me want to expedite re-evaluating them, but at the same time i kind of wanna hold off on that until D2 + i'd exclude them from my votepool for today, anyway
unpairings that i'd probably take a non-zero amount of stock in:
AP/flandrs
celever/flandrs
celever/evie
celever/NE
wow thats a lot of celever unpairs maybe they really are just town and im doubting myself for no reason

i think it's lame that i find myself coming to similar-ish conclusions re: slots that ping weird (read: skip/pulsar) so i'm partially inclined to hold my vote + wait and see for now

Re: bolded, I don’t think AF coming to the defense of flandrs is really clearing considering how the thread centred so hard around him at the time, it’s pretty free reign for a wolf to come in and take the towncred for defending him / try to stop a d1 partner yeet, also felt less so of a defense and moreso shelving the entire argument as worthless which is pretty ???

 

[wisteriapurple]

Re: bolded, I don’t think AF coming to the defense of flandrs is really clearing considering how the thread centred so hard around him at the time, it’s pretty free reign for a wolf to come in and take the towncred for defending him / try to stop a d1 partner yeet, also felt less so of a defense and moreso shelving the entire argument as worthless which is pretty ???

oops shldve made it clearer that the tr is mainly off of the tone employed

sue me this might be town!AF
while i dislike the tone she has employed in her defense of flandrs i read it as her not particularly caring about how her alignment is perceived
which like yeah wifom and all but it's day 1 and i feel like scum would want to be more careful of their thread standing this early

 

[NightEmerald]

Okay I tried to go into a deep dive of this that basically just went "what the hell are you talking about," but I eventually realized what posts he meant, at least with the first bit. The 'once versus thrice' thing doesn't really make sense to me, but I'm not gonna try and figure that out at this point.

I'm gonna leave what I had here too so you can try to see the thought process I went through and put a few extra notes marked with ◇. (And also because I don't want to throw it all away.)

Spoiler

Given that the inciting posts are #108 and #109, as well as Flandrs' #113
I just don't see what you mean by 'the subsequent celever and wis reads."
While wisteria has #146, which calls out #113 (Flandrs) directly, citing them feelng 'a bit woozy,'

◇ Initially, I was going to counter the idea of both Celever and wisteria having notable reads on Pidgeon/Flandrs within a 'subsequent' time frame.
◇ But this basically came down to me not initially noting #146 (wisteria)'s callout of #113 (Flandrs) (due to what I had believed to be fairly unclear wording), which has been remedied, as well as just completely neglecting Celever's #151 because it didn't match the Pidgeon read noted in #146 (wisteria) and all I had listed for Flandrs from #146 (wisteria) was the inconclusive 'at best, unpartnered' portion of the post.




◇ This above quote was attempting to call in the idea of 'the subsequent celever and wis reads' referring to reads FROM Pidgeon, which fit Celever but not wisteria.
◇ But I now realize this wasn't what they meant at all, especially since the target of discussion seems to actually be Flandrs, whose next noted read is all the way in #224.

No neon, you’re wrong.

 

[NightEmerald]

Once=113 where flandrs seemingly develops a scumlean for double posting

Second=224 where flandrs makes a super bad faith read on wis and even after correcting holds onto it

Third=224 where flandrs makes a bad faith read on celever based on celever trying to predict how flandrs would act?

Second is a bit better than the other two but all three are just not good reads.