SPOILERS! Mysteries and Conspiracies of Pokemon

Karxrida said:
Bulbapedia is also laid out horribly. They only semi-recently (like within the last couple years) moved game data higher up in Pokémon species pages instead of having that info buried below a bunch of extraneous crap (e.g. anime stuff) that you have to scroll through when it is probably what 99% of people check for when visiting those pages. And even then, stats and movepools are still like at that bottom of the game data section for some reason.

But at least they're not Serebii lol. If I'm on Bulbapedia I can read the site coherently, find what I want (even if it's not laid out well), and easily clink page links when on my phone. Serebii is just a disaster.

I switched to PokémonDB for when I want to double check anything related to stats quickly.
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Bulbapedia is nice when you want everything, which I actually often do for some of my projects. I do need to know what its based off of. I do need to know what it learned in every generation. I occasionally even need to know the anime bullshit. Like, for most people, Bulbapedia should not be your first source. However, it has its place. For example, I am currently making a giant Google doc on the ecology of the Alola region. Wouldn't it be nice if a site had a section on biology? Oh wait, Bulbapedia has that.
 
Cancel cult said:
Bulbapedia is nice when you want everything, which I actually often do for some of my projects. I do need to know what its based off of. I do need to know what it learned in every generation. I occasionally even need to know the anime bullshit. Like, for most people, Bulbapedia should not be your first source. However, it has its place. For example, I am currently making a giant Google doc on the ecology of the Alola region. Wouldn't it be nice if a site had a section on biology? Oh wait, Bulbapedia has that.
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Oh yeah, it is definitely great for if you want everything. Need all the info (items, trainers, Pokémon spawns, etc.) on a route? They have it. Random anime stuff? Got it covered. The site is not laid out the best it can be but is still very comprehensive in a way the other big Pokémon wikis aren't. Their handling of the Game Data section for Pokémon is just a huge pet peeve of mine. (I'd mention the intrusive ads too but I use an adblocker so eh.)

Though I do wish they gave more specific info on random trainer teams outside of just the specific Pokémon and their levels like they do with important characters such as Gym Leaders. Basically what moves, abilities and items they have, and exact stat numbers would be nice too tbh. But that seems to be a universal blind spot so I can't entirely fault them on that.
 
Yung Dramps said:
just turn off javascript lol
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Turning off Javascript is a good idea regardless for safety. On desktop I use NoScript, but on mobile I do not bother to. On desktop I only turn on JS if I really have to.

But because wikidex.net is almost just Bulbapedia without the ads, I just go to Wikidex which is easier than turning off JS on mobile. Also, Wikidex displays in Spanish automatically on my computer, which makes for good language practice. Bulbapedia may support multiple languages too, but why bother searching for it if Wikidex does it automatically right. But I agree that Bulbapedia is fine without Javascript.

What I do really miss on Wikidex are the flavour texts for attacks. I find that to be a weird ommision. But pokemondb.net does have that and they do not try to boggle down my browser with ads, either; so I just go there when I want to see flavour text.
 
Yung Dramps said:

So what exactly is going on with mainline Pokemon's visual fidelity?
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Just speculating but I'd assume this is Unreal Engine 5, which gives devs a "shortcut" for realistic visuals

Also this looks like a soulslike? Which tend to be far more linear than the recent Pokémon games, so they can give more attention to each individual area
 
Plus given the fact it isn't part of a massive franchise, it gives them a lot more freedom on when to release it. It's not like Pokemon where a delay needs a dozen or so anime episodes or another tgc expansion that have to get rushed out just to account for the added time between games. There's still pressure to get the game out on time, but it's much less pressure. Plus I'm guessing it was made starting right after Little Town Hero, so I'd give it around five years of dev time where SV had two. It's really no comparison. Granted, there is some frame rate issues on that, so who knows. We'll have to see when it releases. Could be just the platform it was recorded on or a more substantial issue.
 
Yeah, who knows. I'm cautiously optimistic about it. Hopefully it does well not only because the game looks fun, but also I do want Game Freak as a company to be able to grow and have something else besides Pokemon. It'd be nice for them to be able to have a couple of franchises or ideas they could rely on.
 
DrPumpkinz said:
:sv/shellos::sv/gastrodon::sv/shellos-east::sv/gastrodon-east:

According to the Scarlet and Violet Pokedexes, West Sea Shellos are becoming more common while East Sea Shellos are becoming more rare. However, the reverse is true for Gastrodon.
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I'd have thought that to be a reference to global warming causing ocean temperature to rise over time and marine biodiversity to decline (West Sea Shellos thrive in warmer waters, but West Sea Gastrodon mainly feeds on sealife and doesn't spend much time on land).

Perhaps the implication is meant to be that, since the climate is harsher on the East Sea Shellos which prefer colder waters, they're having to evolve more rapidly than they otherwise would to cope - leading to the perceived increase in their numbers by fishermen. They're also stated to be better
suited to being on land and more commonly sighted there, particularly when it's raining during rain: warmer ocean temperatures would result in increased rainfall, hence more East Sea Gastrodon showing up.
 
Why do Poltchageist and Sinistcha’s forms have different names?

Usually, with evolution lines where both stages have different forms following the same theme, the names for those forms are the same across both stages. For example, Shellos and Gastrodon = West Sea and East Sea. Burmy and Wormadam = Plant, Sandy, and Trash Cloak. And indeed, with Sinistea and Polteageist, their forms are called Phony Form and Antique Form.

But then there’s Poltchageist, with its Counterfeit and Artisan Forms, and Sinistcha, with its Unremarkable and Masterpiece Forms. And this isn’t just some localization quirk — their forms have different names across all languages, even Japanese. But there’s nothing mechanically significant about these forms compared to one another. They’re both just this family’s version of their Galarian counterparts’ Phony and Antique Forms, with the rarer form having a small authenticity stamp somewhere on the piece of cookware that the Pokémon inhabits.

It just seems like such a weird little arbitrary detail. I suppose it could just be a meaningless flourish, but knowing how Pokémon can be, there’s part of me that wonders if it’s some kind of pun or reference to Japanese tea culture or something.
 
Remembered earlier that the original teaser for the thirteenth movie had Ho-Oh and Lugia clashing, which ended up being discarded in the final cut. I go back and forth on how much I like this concept - it'd probably have been cool to see, but they're one of the few legendary duos which haven't really clashed that much in any continuity. Mainly I guess because there's not much that really connects them? They're a pair and go together in some ways but generally they don't represent opposing forces or ideas. So they don't lend themselves that much to direct conflict - even in the Adventures manga they're used in tandem rather than against one another. I suppose it's possible that Zoroark could have been involved in some way (perhaps disguising itself as one of them to provoke the other) but this route wasn't taken.

Idk. I'm always interested in unused ideas and plot threads and this is one I've often thought about. Both legendaries are in the position of not really needing a huge amount of additional fleshing out, and I think the existing games have proved they don't need each other to be used in an interesting way. But I'm not automatically opposed to seeing them used as a pair more than they have been.
 
This definitely falls under the "conspiracy" umbrella, but I wonder if the major fallout of how the XY anime was handled led to the deletion of Ash-Greninja.

We know for a fact that anime staff went to Game Freak to have Ash-Greninja designed, that a lot of people throughout the Pokémon media empire didn't like the outcome of the Kalos League (to the point that TPCi's president outright told the anime writers to cut their crap and forced them to change their plans), and iirc Game Freak didn't have entirely positive opinions on how the anime had been handled even before XY. I admittedly don't know the exact timeline for when TPCi stepped in to force the anime's course change, but I'm willing to bet it was after Game Freak added Ash-Greninja in a super limited distribution for Sun and Moon. GF might have realized they had no more obligations to the anime when it was decided Ash was actually being retired, so they deleted the form in Gen 8 to wash their hands of the whole thing and force the anime to follow suit in flashbacks.

Also likely because they want to have Mega Greninja down the line.
 
Karxrida said:
This definitely falls under the "conspiracy" umbrella, but I wonder if the major fallout of how the XY anime was handled led to the deletion of Ash-Greninja.

We know for a fact that anime staff went to Game Freak to have Ash-Greninja designed, that a lot of people throughout the Pokémon media empire didn't like the outcome of the Kalos League (to the point that TPCi's president outright told the anime writers to cut their crap and forced them to change their plans), and iirc Game Freak didn't have entirely positive opinions on how the anime had been handled even before XY. I admittedly don't know the exact timeline for when TPCi stepped in to force the anime's course change, but I'm willing to bet it was after Game Freak added Ash-Greninja in a super limited distribution for Sun and Moon. GF might have realized they had no more obligations to the anime when it was decided Ash was actually being retired, so they deleted the form in Gen 8 to wash their hands of the whole thing and force the anime to follow suit in flashbacks.

Also likely because they want to have Mega Greninja down the line.
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TPCi's ability to apparently do this, potentially years after the issue arose, is surprisingly powerful

Is there like...sources, about that fallout. I know that the tetra leak had some stuff about gamefreak/TPC grumbling about the Horizons anime's handling or not handling of certain things, with some translated emails here & there but even then there does not seem to be the level of spite that would lead to deleting an entire form because Ash lost, for a reason that didn't even correspond with why the form existed.

Thing I'd float is they just got rid of it for simplicity. If they wanted scorched earth on the anime for Kalos transgressions they'd probably have dumped the cap Pikachu and not made dada zarude and honestly the zygardes probably would've gotten changed
 
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