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Popcorn Mafia 4 - Game Over, Village Wins

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I believe mafia is a game where you need to stick to your convictions (within reason), otherwise you end up “tinfoiling” as yall call it and make game-costing mistakes. This is why I’m sticking with my convictions that Texas and Tommy are the other two town players remaining (Texas is an obvious, but because I was right about him I believe I’m right about the other players too).

Of the other 3 being serious it can all of them, obviously, but I have to be honest that I’m starting to think celever is town again

This is a perfect example of tinfoiling I think. Tommy’s getting convinced by the silver-tongued Celever to flip his read. I think we’re so close here and that Tommy is getting convinced by Celever that Celever isn’t really mafia, which is frustrating to me because like I said I think you gotta stick with your convictions at this point in the game. Not that there’s no room for re-eval, I’m not saying that, but I think if you read someone consistently the whole game (like I have with Texas and Tommy) you should trust your gut over making a last minute switch. So I think Tommy is making a mistake here as a good guy.

phoopes hasn't done anything really scummy to me but they also havent been particularly pro-town this game.
I feel like I’ve been as pro-town as I can be, I mean I don’t have as much time to be watching the game at all hours but I feel like I was making solid contributions with my observations early on, and as the game has wound down to fewer players I think I’m giving yall everything that you ask of me and more when I can.

I wish I could say I had a harder scumread on you and Celever for why I think you’re the remaining two maf players, but what it comes down to is that because of how Texas and Tommy have been playing, I am SURE that they are town (with Texas now being a lock). Therefore, the two of you are be default scum. Which makes sense to me now that I think about it. I think you’ve both been playing different styles of scum, but ones that make sense.

Celever is “powerwolfing” trying to take over the thread and doing a pretty good job with it because he’s getting Tommy to tinfoil now. And you, Evie, have been playing the middle ground, not going afk like joey was, but flying under the radar just enough to survive this long. Ultimately, I think that was the scum team’s strategy, have a variety of different play styles among them to throw us off the scent. I mean let’s take a look.

Clouds: shot on c1 so not a lot of info to glean
Skipper: Sus’d out early, then fell off the map (probably coached to do so)
joey: the afk “deepwolf”
DBD: a reverse skipper, less active, then when sussed out became more active (didn’t work that well clearly)
Evie: middle ground the whole game
Celever: the “powerwolf”

That’s how the gameplan for scum reads to me. Here’s their future gameplan: we have 5 players left. Texas is locked town obviously, so he can shoot me, Tommy, Evie, or Celever. Evie and Celever know that Tommy has been one of the most publicly pro-town players all game and there’s no way they get Texas to shoot him. Which means they gotta go all out on Texas shooting me to win the game. And it’s lowkey working as seen with Tommy backing off Celever and thinking that maybe he’s town now. I know we’re not going to get anything off Texas’s poker face right now, but I think what’s happening to Tommy is what they’re trying to do with Texas as well.


mmmmmok Tommy's town I'm just gonna pick a side here
See what I mean? He has to pick a shot target (me or Tommy to win the game), and he sides with Tommy because Tommy is almost as lock town as Texas. Which redirects Texas’s shot to me, thus winning Celever and Evie the game.


mostly bc of the zero re-eval which I just don't think comes from a town pov
Nah. I said it before in this post but just because I’m not tinfoiling doesn’t mean I’m maf. It just means I stay cool calm and collected even if that’s a “single digit percentage” like you say later in this post

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okay now this is all Celever and Evie fighting which makes zero sense to me as to why they would do this. It feels scum vs town to me but in my heart of hearts I’m not going against Texas and Tommy. Like this could very well be a scum vs scum interaction to throw us off the scent and push the shot onto me but I feel like they’re overdoing it lol.

Let’s say I’m wrong about Tommy. I guess the Celever/Tommy interaction makes more sense now (as in, Tommy coming around and thinking Celever is town being a carefully orchestrated plan). That makes more sense to me than whatever is going on right now. However, everyone is going nuts now that it’s only down to five players and a missed shot loses the game for town so maybe the maf is grasping at straws too here. So I’m sticking with my Texas-Tommy town read, and my Celever-Evie scum read.
 
Okay hmm I just realized EVERY post on the last two pages was made by Celever and Evie. I know I said about sticking to my guns but like this is a re-eval post now lol. There’s NO way that if both of them are scum like I was originally reading that they go that hard at each other. It just can’t be scum v scum at this point.

Tommy/Celever are the scum team. I’m so sorrry Tommy I was with you all game but with how you flipped on Celever that makes me think that that previous interaction between the two of you was just a setup so you could “doubt yourself” about Celever’s alignment and come to the conclusion that he’s town and me and Evie are the remaining scum. That’s what it has to be. Because there’s no way Celever and Evie are going at each other’s throats for two whole pages for the sake of pushing the shot onto me when they could very easily just sit back on it.

Fuck I HATE going against my whole game read on Tommy but I don’t think this is tinfoil, I think this is me finally realizing that I’ve been had. Unless anything else crazy happens my solve is Tommy/Celever
 
I mean you could be correct about that but it's kind of a every shape goes in the square hole situation right

with so few players remaining I either scumread phoopes, or my solve is exactly you/Tommy

and if you're town you'd know that's wrong so how does me scumreading phoops (something you know instead may be right) make me scum
i am not saying you are scum for scumreading phoopes, i think youre just more likely to be paired with phoopes than tommy.
 
by far the likeliest thing is that it will lol

one was already shot and no other shots have been taken, meanwhile most of the game wants to shoot me (most of the game is also scum but who knows if Texas pulls through)
also coming back to this i disagree, if the whole
game goes “shoot celever and dbd” i dont think the person with the gun after dbd gets shot also goes “shoot celever”
 
No <3

In all seriousness though I will be checking in on the game obviously but can’t be constant thread watching so you’ll just have to be content with less than two pages with me lol

I still think the you v Tommy argument has more of a point if you’re both scum than the you v Evie argument which is why I made my flip
 
No <3

In all seriousness though I will be checking in on the game obviously but can’t be constant thread watching so you’ll just have to be content with less than two pages with me lol

I still think the you v Tommy argument has more of a point if you’re both scum than the you v Evie argument which is why I made my flip
I think the flip from you is weird (not a critique just weird) bc you have taking a very staunch position that being staunch in LYLO is beneficial

Which I mean, it’s not, but it’s the position you took lol
 
If we’re engaging with the “how does each player’s manoeuvring in endgame hint to their alignment” there’s definitely a strong argument that it does make phoopes kinda scummy, especially after I just talked about how phoopes for sure loses the F3 1v1 against Tommy

Makes sense to flip to scumreading Tommy now as a contingency for that, if Evie does get shot today
 
especially since (and this is why I ask people questions lol) I asked phoopes to justify his scumread on Evie and it was pretty much “eh idk she’s not Tommy or Texas”

It gives him a very easy foundation to flip his read on
 
thinking from phoopes perspective in a dbd/phoopes/cele world, i can say "shoot dbd and cele" so they can endgame easier if i was shot like pebble had seemed to intend, or if i end up getting dbd shot (i think theres no way pebble would have shot you) its still lylo and we can play as to where my scumread on you is not going to be the thing that ends up getting you shot (and also might conftown you if tommy and evie decide to scumread you as well)
 
thinking from phoopes perspective in a dbd/phoopes/cele world, i can say "shoot dbd and cele" so they can endgame easier if i was shot like pebble had seemed to intend, or if i end up getting dbd shot (i think theres no way pebble would have shot you) its still lylo and we can play as to where my scumread on you is not going to be the thing that ends up getting you shot (and also might conftown you if tommy and evie decide to scumread you as well)
Mmm that’s a reasonable argument actually, if you buy into Pebble’s restricted PoE then hellbussing both could be a reasonable strategy bc no one would ever complete the trio of shots

I think it’s reasonable with the caveat that it would still be abysmal strategy to aim for that F3 if the scumteam is me/phoopes/DBD because none of that trio beats Tommy or Texas at F3. You necessarily have to aim for the F4 win or sooner

Like the argument tracks out of context but in context I’m not sure it does, still
 
Mmm that’s a reasonable argument actually, if you buy into Pebble’s restricted PoE then hellbussing both could be a reasonable strategy bc no one would ever complete the trio of shots

I think it’s reasonable with the caveat that it would still be abysmal strategy to aim for that F3 if the scumteam is me/phoopes/DBD because none of that trio beats Tommy or Texas at F3. You necessarily have to aim for the F4 win or sooner

Like the argument tracks out of context but in context I’m not sure it does, still
yeah i agree that going for the F3 win would be tough but my point is that phoopes scumreading you doesnt mean that texas is going to shoot you because of it in this gamestate

the argument might not hold up in the end but i think its worth exploring, i just think that scum distancing themselves from you and dbd is a possibility that should be considered
 
Tbf I actually don’t think anything we says will impact Texas much from anyone

Maybe Tommy reconsidering me is why I’m not already dead but I think I’m probably still gonna be shot, and then the other 3 of us are kinda just talking lol
 
yeah i agree that going for the F3 win would be tough but my point is that phoopes scumreading you doesnt mean that texas is going to shoot you because of it in this gamestate

the argument might not hold up in the end but i think its worth exploring, i just think that scum distancing themselves from you and dbd is a possibility that should be considered
You’re right to entertain the diff worlds

Can I ask for your spec on the gun being given out? Who do you think each recipient of the gun would have implicated (and who’s implicated by it going to Texas?)
 
with all of this speculation theres a ton of wifom so keep that in mind with all of these

i think you couldve for sure given it to texas knowing he'd re-eval, but also its an easier play to make to give it to someone else so im a tad conflicted

if tommy were to get it i think that would have implicated you scum a little more since he was coming around to you town (but also not townreading you hard enough to want to completely flip)

if i were to get it i think it wouldve implicated there would be at least one mafia in tommy/texas since they would know i would have a hard time shooting them

if you were to get it i would have also thought there would be at least one mafia in tommy/texas cause they could steer you towards a me or phoopes vote

if phoopes were to get it i would think its the same situation as mine since phoopes has been hard townreading tommy and texas the whole game and would have a hard time flipping onto one of them despite wifom

if tommy were scum it would make a ton of sense to give texas the gun and then steer him towards one of the two other town members
 
still busy but should have more time in like 2 hours to give more fleshed out thoughts, but I think mafia knows they are likely getting shot today so they want to make sure both the remaining town are in poe, as they would need to shoot both to win if Texas hits mafia today (he probably will)

Idk if it’s inexperience from phoopes but willing to clear people at this juncture is like a towny point for sure imo
 
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